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I don't think there is anything superfluous in the switching and controls array. The rhythm circuit works perfectly for just that purpose, laying back while the other guitarist does his thing. You can hear that sound all over 1st wave recordings. Anybody who doesn't like Jags should probably play some other guitar.

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Not superfluous to me, but I've been known to make changes! I like a blade selector and I have no use for the rhythm circuit so I remove it and put the hi-pass filter up there (and I put an esquire bass boost/mud circuit up there for the hell of it on one of them).

JoBeast
"Anybody who doesn't like Jags should probably play some other guitar."
You mean like a Tele or a Mosrite - kinda like I stated in my post?
Are you aware that you can also "lay back" for another player by turning the volume control on either guitar a notch or two?
Fender now offers the guitars without the superfluous tone circuits.. their idea or maybe market forces at work?
I remember a time when Jags were of firewood value in the 70's and early 80's - no serious player wanted one. OK - times change; but simplicity seldom does; and if it does, it's called complexity.
Food for thought, perhaps?
J Mo'

IMHO, a Jag is revered because of its quirks. Part of the charm. For me, the switches are fine (now that I have 'em figured out!) but it is the finicky nature of those bridges that drew me in to pick up a Classic Player (faux/wannabe/less charming/not-close-enough) Jag.
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When I got my first JM (then later my Jag), when I heard the rhythm circuit I thought "no way I'd use that very much at all".

But now when I'm at home just noodling, I find myself going into the rhythm circuit often. Its just a warm dark noise, like a comforting blanket. The normal circuit can be like a clean cool sheet. Between the two, I have a sound bed that is great for all seasons.

As for JM versus Jag, if I had a gun to my head and HAD to choose, I'd choose my JM. But since that is merely hypothetical (not to mention a bit myopic to think that only one type of thing is needed for all things), I refuse to choose. I play both, and they both scratch that itch in their own wonderful way. And for me they scratch it in a way that my old strat never even got close to.

The Jaguar is such a wonderful guitar. If money weren't an issue, I'd have 2 or 3 more just for fun.

I think tonight I'm going to go home and play it Cool

shake_n_stomp wrote:

BillAqua wrote:

I run 12s on my Jags and they are as bendy as 10s on the 25.5. 11s start getting "heavy" on a Jazzmaster. Whereas the 12s on the Jag I can still do the Eddie Bertrand Scratch bends easier.

I just watched the Tiki Tena interview with Eddie Bertrand on Youtube (probably the 5th time doing so!) and found the part about his preferred string gauge. He didn't remember what he played back in the day but in his final years he played 10s on his Jag.
I primarily play Strats and I went to 11s (at A440) about 1.5yrs ago. I just bought a Jag (ok, not a real Jag, but same scale length) and the stock 10s feel almost as slinky as 9s on a Strat. Will be moving to 12s on the Jag.

If I remember the Tiki Tena interview he may have used 10s but his strings got heavier than a standard 10 set as you worked your way towards the bass strings. Didn't he say whatever he used in the 60s it was "heavy."

He also said he didn't use flats, I'm not going to debate him, nor disrespect the legend but when I listen to Wayward Wind it sounds like flats, but it could be really old rounds. It could also be the magic that was in Eddie's hands too.

I spoke with Doug Henson, Showmen bassist years ago and he remembered Eddie using heavy strings. Doug said he personally used flats.

"as he stepped into the stealthy night air... little did he know the fire escape was not there"

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I'm playing a Johnny Marr signature now. I replaced my old Aquanauts '62 RIs with a '62 RI but I just sold it. The magic isn't in the switches. I think it's the scale length and the bridge to trem component. The Jazzmaster has that fantastic feel as well sans the shorter scale. I swear I play faster on the Jag(and you should).

An added magic component to the Jaguar is Thomastik Infeld Flatwound 12s.

Going to be going into the studio with a new surf band in April and I think I'll bring the Marr.

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I've got TI Flat 12s, TI Flat 11s, DR Pure BLues .11s, and GCS .11s on my Jags! Roundcore strings are important to any guitar.

I'm thinking about trying TI 11s on a Jag. Not too floppy?

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Feels real good! Feels better than DR Pure Blues .11s. The low E isn't floppy, which is perfect. You can really bend the wound G quite a bit.

By TI you mean Tomastik-Infield? Are they preferable to Pyramid Gold?

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They are very similar strings, Thomastik is much more available in my area and I get some nice pricing. Pure nickel with round cores.

Years ago when I first tried flats I went with Pyramids on my Jags I swore I wore out those strings faster. Back then I might have had only 2 or 3 guitars so I'd wear the strings out faster. I remember when I did switch over to TI they lasted longer. I've got Pyramid Gold 11s on a '65 Jazzmaster and they sound pretty good. They feel thicker than the TI 12s...

Speaking of "magic" heck this is starting to sound like "mojo" over at the gearpage.net.

Another added component to flats on a Jag is leaving the flats on as long as possible. I wouldn't put flats on a Tele but the same thing happens when you leave rounds on one for a long time, gone is harsh bite, enter Steve Cropper.

PS Jake I picked up another Jag and I'm going to try TI 11s on it.

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Nice!

I really love the Jaguar. I wish I would have discovered it earlier than I did(Played guitar for 25 years before picking one up.) I love the scale length. It feels very natural. I absolutely love the switches. Unlike most people, I stay on the rhythm side for my basic rhythm tones. When it is time for leads and biting tones I switch to the normal side. I am with you, the Jaguars are very cool.

Last edited: Mar 22, 2016 16:43:47

I'm fairly new to guitar, although I've owned 5 in 3 years. I love my Jag (purchased this year), I enjoy playing it more... enough to actually practice and make progress.

As for it's controls, they're pretty straight forward and far less annoying than the lack independent pickup controls on my new Strat.

I tore of the supplied 9's immediately and put on Beefy Slinkys. Then I put on D'addario flat-wound 13's. If only Ernie would put out all those wonderful gauges in flat wounds...

I'd like to hear thoughts on running a range from high E 11 to low E 64...

Korova - How do you like the D'addario flat wounds?

I am not obsolete, I am RETRO.... Cool

Last edited: Mar 23, 2016 04:58:11

If you watch that interview again carefully, you will notice that he played a mixed set, not simply 10s. It's 10-52 (10-13-17-30w-42w-52w).
Tried those and while they have the low end we all love on the low strings, they seem very imbalanced IMO. The high strings simply don't cut through like they do in a regular set of 11s or 12s. Adjusting the PU height didn't work, the high strings always sounded quite thin compared to the lower strings.

shake_n_stomp wrote:

BillAqua wrote:

I run 12s on my Jags and they are as bendy as 10s on the 25.5. 11s start getting "heavy" on a Jazzmaster. Whereas the 12s on the Jag I can still do the Eddie Bertrand Scratch bends easier.

I just watched the Tiki Tena interview with Eddie Bertrand on Youtube (probably the 5th time doing so!) and found the part about his preferred string gauge. He didn't remember what he played back in the day but in his final years he played 10s on his Jag.
I primarily play Strats and I went to 11s (at A440) about 1.5yrs ago. I just bought a Jag (ok, not a real Jag, but same scale length) and the stock 10s feel almost as slinky as 9s on a Strat. Will be moving to 12s on the Jag.

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Last edited: Mar 23, 2016 07:26:24

Even with a heavier bottom I couldn't do a 10 on a high E for a Jag. I think light strings have a purpose. I have a Tele set up with James Burton's preffered set .009, .010, .012, .024, .032 and .038.

Now the 12 that comes with the Thomastik flats may be a different material or something because when you take them out of the package they sorta flop about.

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