Teiscofan
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Posted on Mar 20 2016 10:51 AM
I have been almost exclusively playing my Squire Jaguar and loving it! Is it the short scale, the comfort, new guitar syndrome or some kind of mystical guitar mojo.... I am looking at getting it a companion as it looks lonely all by itself...
My Telecaster and Teiscos are now plotting against me...
Thoughts anyone??
— I am not obsolete, I am RETRO....
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CrazyAces
Joined: Jul 31, 2012
Posts: 4052
Nashville, TN.
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Posted on Mar 20 2016 11:30 AM
As a long time repairperson, builder and player I can say with total experience and authority that it's because Jags are....
RAD!
Cheers,
Jeff
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Mar 20 2016 12:08 PM
I think the 25.5" scale puts a little too much tension on the strings. While the 24" scale doesn't quite put a perfect amount on all the strings the lower tension allows me to grab the strings in a different fashion, keep the action a little higher, and just get a really balanced feel across all the strings. My idea scale is the 24.75", but Fender doesn't really have that.
Also, the tailpiece to bridge length plus low break angle add to the feel and tone of the Jag. That is what I am suffering from on the Strat, the lack of that extra length and break angle. All of my other guitars have the length + low break.
Jags get generalized as being 'bright' guitars, but I really don't feel they are. I brought a couple Jags to a gear gathering with several friends and they were all blown away by the fuller sound the Jag had. Now, does the Jag have more high end than most guitar? Yes, especially if you don't use the tone knob. But the also have more low end, they are guitars that just have a lot of dynamic range.
Each of my Jags have a different sound despite all having the same pickups, same bridge, mostly the same neck, same pickups, and same tail piece, and same nut material. I have different tone caps and different wood on one.
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CrazyAces
Joined: Jul 31, 2012
Posts: 4052
Nashville, TN.
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Posted on Mar 20 2016 12:19 PM
JakeDobner wrote:
I think the 25.5" scale puts a little too much tension on the strings. While the 24" scale doesn't quite put a perfect amount on all the strings the lower tension allows me to grab the strings in a different fashion, keep the action a little higher, and just get a really balanced feel across all the strings. My idea scale is the 24.75", but Fender doesn't really have that.
Also, the tailpiece to bridge length plus low break angle add to the feel and tone of the Jag. That is what I am suffering from on the Strat, the lack of that extra length and break angle. All of my other guitars have the length + low break.
Jags get generalized as being 'bright' guitars, but I really don't feel they are. I brought a couple Jags to a gear gathering with several friends and they were all blown away by the fuller sound the Jag had. Now, does the Jag have more high end than most guitar? Yes, especially if you don't use the tone knob. But the also have more low end, they are guitars that just have a lot of dynamic range.
Each of my Jags have a different sound despite all having the same pickups, same bridge, mostly the same neck, same pickups, and same tail piece, and same nut material. I have different tone caps and different wood on one.
And...
They're RAD!
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Surf_Skater
Joined: Sep 06, 2012
Posts: 1288
Lawrenceville , GA
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Posted on Mar 20 2016 12:28 PM
It's all magical mystery mojo. Fender has Voodoo priests under their employment that perform a ceremony where they do a chant and cut off the headstock of a sacrificial Gibson.
Plus as Jeff says..... They're Rad!
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Rob_J
Joined: Sep 29, 2007
Posts: 500
Sacto, CA
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Posted on Mar 20 2016 12:43 PM
I have to admit, more often than not when I'm sitting around doing some playing I might start of with my Gibson 339 or my Strat in my hands and almost always end up putting them back and picking up my Jag. Not that my others don't sound good - they do. It's just that the Jag sounds "gooder". Can't explain it. It just sounds better. And, I also agree that it never sounds too bright. I think that players who say that don't remember that there are tone controls on both the guitar and the amp to handle any perceived brightness.
And - what Jeff said.
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HallmarkSweptWinger
Joined: Jul 27, 2006
Posts: 1284
Berlinesia, Germanifornia
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Posted on Mar 20 2016 01:01 PM
Yes, they are RAD!
These weeks I am also a pure Jag player!
From rehearsals to gigs and to studio last weekend!
These days I mainly play the combination: Jaguar-Reverb Tank-Vibrasonic Amp
Last year I played mainly Jazzmasters.
But since a few weeks I mostly play my original sonic blue Jag from 65 with matching head. This guitar has all original, even the bridge. The neck is not very comfortable to play and the whole guitar is heavy, BUT it sounds "better" than other guitars. I play it with 12-52 flats and it is pure surf sound heaven! Mojomojomojo! I used this Jag for recordings.
...I also asked WHY, like Teiscofan who started this thread
2nd best is my 80`s white Jag (used it for the 1st Kilaueas album in 2000). ...my other 3 jags are also cool and good sounding.
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zzero
Joined: Jul 09, 2010
Posts: 1153
Lillian Alabama
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Posted on Mar 20 2016 02:10 PM
In the spirit of RAD!
My Jag is Indonesian made. Out there in the south pacific where all the surf mojo started. In the jungle. On one of those freaky little islands. Volcanoes and such stuff. Penan witch doctors cast spells on these guitars giving them great mojo and vibe! I'm running 11 to 52 round wounds on it. Enjoying that vibrato bar too! Loving that short scale too!
Freaky little guitar Dr. Fender conjured up!!!
— Enjoying the surf,sun and sand!!
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Teiscofan
Joined: Feb 21, 2011
Posts: 511
Ontario
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Posted on Mar 20 2016 02:17 PM
Thanks for all the great information so far. Jakes technical explanation makes sense, Surf Skaters detialed description of the mojo infusion rites created a whole picture in my mind.....lol I agree with Rob J and Jeff that they are RAD!
Ralf, thanks for not being the only one wondering and most of all supporting my theory that I need more than one Jaguar....
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BillAqua
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 1054
Chicago IL.
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Posted on Mar 20 2016 03:06 PM
Been playing more surf lately and been using the Jazzmaster a lot. When I pick up a Jag I remember why I loved them so much.
Unlike a Tele or a Strat with the string through design I really like the bridge set up on the Jazzmaster/Jaguar. The scale length on the Jag makes a difference in more than feel on the neck. When you pick close to the bridge or closer to the fretboard you can get different tones. That area is shorter on the Jag than the Jazzmaster.
I run 12s on my Jags and they are as bendy as 10s on the 25.5. 11s start getting "heavy" on a Jazzmaster. Whereas the 12s on the Jag I can still do the Eddie Bertrand Scratch bends easier.
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JObeast
Joined: Jul 24, 2012
Posts: 2762
Finknabad, Squinkistan
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Posted on Mar 20 2016 03:27 PM
I want to know more about Eddie Bertrand Scratch bends and how to do them. please enlighten a Hodad.
— Squink Out!
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JObeast
Joined: Jul 24, 2012
Posts: 2762
Finknabad, Squinkistan
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Posted on Mar 20 2016 03:39 PM
This description of the pagan idolatry that goes on in Fullerton is straight out of a Jack Chick Tract.
Now the secret is revealed: Surf is Bad Music for Bad People too.
Surf_Skater wrote:*
It's all magical mystery mojo. Fender has Voodoo priests under their employment that perform a ceremony where they do a chant and cut off the headstock of a sacrificial Gibson.
Plus as Jeff says..... They're Rad!
— Squink Out!
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eddiekatcher
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
Posts: 2764
Atlanta, GA
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Posted on Mar 20 2016 04:34 PM
I think both the offset guitars are magical. Although I don't play my Jag all that often, there have been times (like recording) when my old number 1 Jazzmaster (or even number 2 or 3) just weren't happening, and I opted for the Jag. And it came through. I used it for quite a few of the leads on tracks for our first CD (The X-Rays) "Senseless Acts of Surf." I also used it on supplemental rhythm tracks last year on "Dam." It has a nice clean sound that I am drawn to at times. Oddly enough, I thought it sounded really good through the early mid-90's Concert amp with the JBL K-130 speaker that I used for our "Gotcha (Covered)/Who's Idea Was This?)" covers CD some years back. It's currently in the "rotation stand" that I keep next to my bed.
ed
— Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?
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Teiscofan
Joined: Feb 21, 2011
Posts: 511
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Posted on Mar 20 2016 05:51 PM
Having spent my youth playing pointy guitars that are offset so to speak, I agree that both the Jag and Jazz are magical. What is puzzling me is why is the Jaguar so awesome. It's like the Jaguar is Merlin and the Jazz is his apprentice..... ( now that ought to illicit a response....lol)
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Ariel
Joined: Aug 29, 2009
Posts: 1556
Israel
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Posted on Mar 20 2016 07:39 PM
My Jaguar made me a better person.
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And worse too.
Incredible range
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eddiekatcher
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
Posts: 2764
Atlanta, GA
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Posted on Mar 20 2016 08:53 PM
Well..........the Jaguar was "supposed" to one up the Jazzmaster. How's that for a response?
Smiling' Ed,
— Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?
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kruelkats
Joined: Mar 26, 2012
Posts: 206
Bogor, West Java
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Posted on Mar 20 2016 09:25 PM
Yes indeed! I really like the drip from jag, they just sound clearer than other guitars.
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JohnnyMosrite
Joined: Jun 14, 2006
Posts: 858
New York City area
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Posted on Mar 20 2016 09:40 PM
I never liked the Jag... too many controls and dopey switches, the short scale was a bit too "plinky" for me. The Jazz is OK if both pickups were on with heavy guage strings - that's about it. And that upper "tone circuit" was just plain useless. I have a Ventures Jazzmaster which eliminated that junk and it looks and plays more cleanly. There's a dealer near me that has a tone circuit replacement kit for the stock Jazz that looks to be a big improvement.
I never quite got with playing a guitar that had more than needed switches, controls,..junk that does little more than weigh the thing down. That's why I like Teles and Mosrites - volume, tone --play something -- KISS to the nth power.
This is all of course my 2 cents and MHO
J Mo'
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Teiscofan
Joined: Feb 21, 2011
Posts: 511
Ontario
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Posted on Mar 21 2016 04:58 AM
Well said Ed.....
JM'o - granted the The Jaguar does have a lot of switches and there is some merit on in the KISS principal like a Telecaster. Personally I prefer the simple design in a guitar but the Jaguar has overcome that. Weird.
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shake_n_stomp
Joined: Jan 09, 2014
Posts: 600
Vancouver BC
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Posted on Mar 21 2016 09:40 AM
BillAqua wrote:
I run 12s on my Jags and they are as bendy as 10s on the 25.5. 11s start getting "heavy" on a Jazzmaster. Whereas the 12s on the Jag I can still do the Eddie Bertrand Scratch bends easier.
I just watched the Tiki Tena interview with Eddie Bertrand on Youtube (probably the 5th time doing so!) and found the part about his preferred string gauge. He didn't remember what he played back in the day but in his final years he played 10s on his Jag.
I primarily play Strats and I went to 11s (at A440) about 1.5yrs ago. I just bought a Jag (ok, not a real Jag, but same scale length) and the stock 10s feel almost as slinky as 9s on a Strat. Will be moving to 12s on the Jag.
— Lorne
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Vancouver BC Canada
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