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The Challengers were one band that covered the Shadows. Their "On the Move" album, released in 1963, had a number of Shadows covers. Another example would be The Lively One's Goofyfoot, which is a revved up take-off of Apache.

However I'm not too sure the Shadows were widely known to the American bands in the 60's. If anyone was familiar with Apache, it most likely was with Jørgen Ingmann's version, who beat the Shadows to the charts in the US.

I'm fine with saying The Shadows were an influence, but maybe not as huge as the likes of Duane Eddy, The Ventures, Johnny & The Hurricanes, and The Fireballs. I have no hard data on this obviously.

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Brian wrote:

So happy to be discussing surf music again! Thanks Niels!

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Makes me happy too, although I'd never admit it. Big Grin

IMO.

Brian wrote:

However I'm not too sure the Shadows were widely known to the American bands in the 60's.

I bought "The Shadows Know" LP in 1965 in a Manhattan record store (their only copy) and loved it. I could not find another Shadows album in the USA. I bought Shadows LPs in the U.K. in 1976 and in the Netherlands in 1979 (and brought them back to Iowa). Shadows LPs were never available in the USA and their CDs became available only in the 1990s.

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I chose my favorite ten classical surf guitar tracks from my experience with music living through the 1960s and 70s. I began the 1960s as an early teen, and my interest in music was focused solely on classical music...until I heard the Fireballs and the Ventures. I am including only songs I heard in the 1960s or in the 1970s from the 1960s.

  1. Apache - Jorgen Ingmann. (specifically not The Shadows)
  2. Pipeline - The Chantays
  3. Walk Don't Run 64 - The Ventures
  4. Bulldog - The Fireballs
  5. Journey to the Stars - The Ventures
  6. Mr. Moto - The Challengers with Richard Delvy
  7. Out of Limits - The Markettes
  8. Surf Rider - The Lively Ones
  9. Rik-A-Tik - The Lively Ones
  10. Memphis - Lonnie Mack

OK Lonnie Mack was Nashville not Southern California but in New York City "Memphis" felt like the biggest guitar instrumental of all time, and it is a piece of enormous originality and virtuosity. It is so good that it transcends all boundaries, so I must salute him and it. Moreover Lonnie Mack had several great recordings, not just one.

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  1. Dick Dale - Surfin' and Swingin'(Vocals, but still VERY truly surf)
  2. Dick Dale - Miserlou
  3. Eddie and the Showmen - Lanky Bones
  4. The Ventures - Diamondhead
  5. Jim Messina and the Jesters - The Jester
  6. The Lively Ones - Surf Rider
  7. The Chantays - Baja
  8. Walk Don't Run - Ventures
  9. Avengers VI - Slaughter on Tenth Avenue
  10. Surfaris - Wipe Out

IMO.

Last edited: Nov 05, 2013 05:33:08

Only 10??? Okay, here's 10 classics to ad to the mix...

Dave & The Customs – ALI BABA
The Phantoms – XL-1
The Breakers – KAMI-KAZI
Nocturnes – THIRD STAR TO THE LEFT
Avengers VI – TIME BOMB
The Creations – CRASH
The Original Surfaris – EXOTIC
The Gamblers – MOON DAWG
The New Dimensions – AVALANCHE
The Catalinas - BAZAI WASHOUT

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nielsjansen wrote:

I´m by far not ready for my Top 10 Revival list. That is going to take me days if not weeks.

That was the much harder of the two lists to make - there weren't nearly as many '60s songs I felt bad about excluding versus more recent ones.

That was excessively violent and completely unnecessary. I loved it.

PrestonRice wrote:

  1. Eddie and the Showmen - Lanky Bones
    ...
  2. Edde and the Showmen - Lanky Bones(Original version escapes me.)

AFAIK the song was written by Paul Johnson, but just like with "Squad Car" I never figured out whether the Showmen or PJ & the Galaxies recorded it first. But I think the first release of "Lanky Bones" was either by Eddie & the Showmen or the Good Guys/Challengers... Hmmm

Damn South Bay jumble! Duh

Brian wrote:

I think it is important that when picking the classic surf songs from the sixties we actually pick surf music selections. Smile Call me crazy. That largely means American bands, mainly from California, from 1961-1965, maybe 1996. Sure there were surf bands from other parts of America, and Australians were lucky enough to hear both the Shadows Euro-Instros and American surf music. That's why you got the mind-blowing Atlantics, who seemed to borrow from both the Shadows and American surf.

My two cents of course. I knew some interesting discussion would arise from making these lists.

While I normally pledge for a broader definition of surf music for today, I totally agree with Brian here. When we are looking for classic surf songs the question from my perspective excludes pre-surf acts like the Fireballs, Duane Eddy or Link Wray, and also the early Ventures stuff and the Euro-Instro bands (Shadows, Spotnicks, Sputniks etc.). Call it being overly picky, but to me there is an audible difference between these bands and most of the surf bands, just as there is between Chicago blues and British blues, although both are closely connected. Just my two cents, now do your own thing.

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simoncoil wrote:

PrestonRice wrote:

  1. Eddie and the Showmen - Lanky Bones
    ...
  2. Edde and the Showmen - Lanky Bones(Original version escapes me.)

AFAIK the song was written by Paul Johnson, but just like with "Squad Car" I never figured out whether the Showmen or PJ & the Galaxies recorded it first. But I think the first release of "Lanky Bones" was either by Eddie & the Showmen or the Good Guys/Challengers... Hmmm

Damn South Bay jumble! Duh

Oops, double. Sorry, thanks for clearing that one up!

IMO.

normj wrote:

Someone finally listed Apache by the Shadows. I never thought of Apache as surf. However, I do think it is one of (if not the) greatest guitar instrumentals of all time. Hank Marvin finally got included. Thanks Ron.

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Norm

I thought adding Apache to the list might cause a little controversy but it wasn't my intent.I don't consider myself a purist but I am not one of those trying to expand the definition of surf music either. I agree that Jorgen Ingmann's version may have influenced more bands in the past but I put up The Shadows version because, dare I say, it sounds more "surf" to me. I always see on this forum the argument whether The Ventures should be considered a surf band or how much of an influence they may or may not had etc.. I just think The Shadows can be put in that same conversation.

Ron,

I am glad you included Apache. I consider the Ventures and the Shadows not to be surf. I place them both in a special category that only they share. They seem to have transcended all genres. They are simply the Ventures and the Shadows. The two greatest instrumental bands every. However, that is my own thinking. I don't expect others to share it. A lot of surf players cover Apache. Hard to argue it should not be classified as surf. I don't feel surf requires reverb and glissando. It is about the feel of the music no matter how that feel is accomplished.

Later,
Norm

Yea, I just think if you put Apache on a setlist or playlist with surf songs it wouldn't raise an eyebrow.

  1. Dick Dale - Misirlou
  2. The Atlantics - Rumble and run
  3. The Atlantics - Giant
  4. The Centurions - Intoxica
  5. The Fender IV - Everybody up
  6. The Chantays - Pipeline
  7. Surfaris - Wipeout
  8. Davie Allan & the Arrows - Apache '65
  9. Les Jaguars - Guitare jet
  10. Chandelles - El gato

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normj wrote:

A lot of surf players cover Apache. Hard to argue it should not be classified as surf. I don't feel surf requires reverb and glissando. It is about the feel of the music no matter how that feel is accomplished.

A lot of first wave bands also covered tunes by Freddie King: Hideaway, Head's Up, San-Ho-Zai... And one of Freddie Kings instrumental albums was even re-released as "Freddie King goes Surfin'". Does that make them surf tunes or Freddie King a surf guitarist? I don't think so.

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quite hard to choose, damn !! anyway ...

1 The Astronauts - Baja
2 Dick Dale & his DelTones - Misirlou
3 The Chantays - Pipeline
4 The Belairs - Mr. Moto
5 The Atlantics - Bombora
6 Link Wray - Jack the Ripper
7 The Ventures - Walk Don't Run
8 The Centurians - Bullwinkle part II
9 The Trashmen - Malaguena
10 The Challengers - Penetration

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1-The Ventures "Trailblazer"
2-Dick Dale "Oasis of Mara"
3-The Atlantics "Crusher"
4-The Original Surfaris "Bombora"
5-The Chandelles "Jesters"
6-The Avengers VI "Timebomb"
7-The Fenders IV "Mar Gaya"
8-The Sentinals "Latin'Ia"
9-Jim Messina "Yang Bu"
10-The Astronauts "Surf softly and carry a big board"

Wow this was harder than I thought to choose my 10 top one! So many gd tunes! Cheers!

Please dont be shy to share your stuff I love new songs!

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1. Fender IV - MarGaya
2. The Catalinas - Banzai Washout
3. The BelAirs - Bedlam
4. Jim Messina and his Jesters - A-Rab
5. The Surfaris - Wipeout
6. The Chandelles - El Gato
7. Gene Moles - Burnin' Rubber
8. Dick Dale - Misirlou
9. The Ventures - Walk, don't run
10. The Centurians - Bullwinkle, Pt. 2

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Last edited: Nov 09, 2013 14:09:35

Docteur Legume Et Les Surfwerks

I was curious to see your list. By the way, I think your video El Fantasma Del Surf is fabulous. I was going to include it in my surf rebirth top ten list, but I did not, only because I don't know if there is a recording available. All I have seen (heard) is the Youtube video. I was not sure Youtube videos were to be included. That is the only reason I did not include it. Great work.

I wonder what the classic favorites are of the guy who created El Fanstasma Del Surf. Now I know.

Talk to you later,
Norm

Brian wrote:

Yes! I'm enjoying these lists immensely, seeing what other people like and hopefully people new to the genre will get some ideas on what to seek out next.

Brian,

This has been an enjoyable exercise. One thing stands out pretty clear to me is that I see no common definition of (classic) surf. I am cool with that. This has been interesting.

Later,
Norm

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