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one thing i noticed about the picture above, no one is watching the band. if i was there i'd have myself parked in front.

www.surfintheeye.com

mom_surfing wrote:

one thing i noticed about the picture above, no one is watching the band. if i was there i'd have myself parked in front.

Yep, first thing I noticed. That is the problem with how surf bands are treated these days. Just background music. That is why I hate doing these daytime outdoor things. They pay well, but don't expect much out of it.

Fortunately, the crowd response was excellent - it's funny to have Jersey Shore-type kids come up and say that the music was "awesome", or that we were "crushing it" (which is apparently a good thing). They were having their own great time in the pool, with the opposite sex, etc, while also getting a real kick out of the tunes. This is something we have been amazed by at so many of our gigs, the way younger audience members will react so favorably to the surf/instro stuff. We keep getting fine gigs, so we're pretty happy with how it's going over...

fenderfan, I say the same thing. We have yet to find an audience that doesn't enjoy a good surf tune. It is just something that most are not exposed to. Convince a place to let you play and you will usually get a good response. Even more, the further away from the 'surf show' comfort zone you get, the more welcoming people tend to be.

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i'm playing 'brave new surf' in my shop right now and a man just asked what we were listening to because he knew it was surf but hadn't heard the tune. los twang marvels was the band which he'd never heard of before. (i know this isn't a pirating issue but i know there was discussion of BNS somewhere back in the pages, so i hope i'm not too off topic)

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mom_surfing wrote:

i'm playing 'brave new surf' in my shop right now and a man just asked what we were listening to because he knew it was surf but hadn't heard the tune. los twang marvels was the band which he'd never heard of before. (i know this isn't a pirating issue but i know there was discussion of BNS somewhere back in the pages, so i hope i'm not too off topic)

Imagine that? A surf shop playing surf music! (Insert emoticon of standing ovation.) And anyway, this thread needed a lift.

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Not off topic at all, Mom.

This is no clean cut simple subject; growing the customer base & increasing market share / wallet share eventually becomes a conversation about perceived value, which eventually becomes a conversation about value realized (or taken/pirated). Tangled web, but a common web none the less.

And your recollection about BNS is correct. I brought it up as one example of an opportunity to expand the "surf listener market" beyond the SG101 readership/membership. Even talked about latching on to things like surf/beach related sales and doing a BNS promo/giveaway as one idea.

Wonder if Sean would be willing to send you a box of 25 BNS CD's to give away to anyone spending more than $100's in the shop this summer? In return, you promise to play BNS at least once a day during peak hours or during an unexpected rush until the giveaways are gone.

What's the worst thing that could happen? Those CD's are already a sunk cost...

Fady

El Mirage @ ReverbNation

What fenderfan, Noah, Carol, and Fady are alluding to is exposure.

Whenever I listen to Chronosurf by the TMen (to take just one example), I always think the same thing: young people would just love this song if you could get it in front of them enough.

Paul

Right...few people say "let's go out and find a surf band tonight", but when they hear it live, many of them really enjoy it. We add other material to our set list, such as Link Wray and our instrumental versions of rock numbers like White Wedding, That Thing You Do, etc, and that keeps a strong overall crowd interest in the band, allowing us to play some of the true surf stuff we like, too.

Random encounters with music you enjoy did indeed increase due to higher gigging activity and new media. Regarding our topic, this does not inspire sufficient engagement, as encouraging as it might appear at the time. The most you can hope for is that a few of them check out some Surf on YouTube (which is technically a downloading platform, not streaming).

The Exotic Guitar of Kahuna Kawentzmann

You can get the boy out of the Keynes era, but you can’t get the Keynes era out of the boy.

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Unfortunately, between all of the CD's sent to bands and the discs already sent as promo, I pretty much need to sell the rest of what I have in stock to have any chance of breaking even or making a bit on the release. It's definitely not a bad idea though and if we had made more than 1000 discs then perhaps there would be discs to spare to do something like this. Perhaps if we manufacture more then we can do some stuff like this, but it's kind of a catch 22 situation at the moment. I'm having trouble selling the discs that I already have, so there's not a huge incentive to make more, but at the same time, if perhaps more CD's went out as promos, maybe more people would buy them.

None of the participating bands have asked for more CD's yet, so perhaps even they are having trouble selling them.... If all of the bands bought more, then perhaps we could get more manufactured. I don't say this as a slam to the bands - I've worked merch tables in the past and I know how hard it is to sell CD's at shows these days.

Sean

Onslow_Beach wrote:

Wonder if Sean would be willing to send you a box of 25 BNS CD's to give away to anyone spending more than $100's in the shop this summer? In return, you promise to play BNS at least once a day during peak hours or during an unexpected rush until the giveaways are gone.

What's the worst thing that could happen? Those CD's are already a sunk cost...

Sean
Double Crown Records
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Surf CD's / Vinyl / Fanzines / DVD's
Aloha Screwdriver - Lunar Wobble CD
The Nebulas - Euphorion LP / CD
Supertubos - The Fourth Drive CD
Continental Magazine - Issue #38 w/17 Song CD

i usually play a surf cd when i open up in the AM and then my itunes on shuffle. there's a lot of surf on my play list but it's mixed with a lot of other stuff. several times this week someone has asked about a surf tune that's playing, and it's always a guy in his 30's or 40's.

come to think of it, i don't think i've ever had a female comment on the music we're playing in our store.

www.surfintheeye.com

i found surf is too rare to pirate you gotta buy it if you wanna hear the good stuff

deanjordan wrote:

i found surf is too rare to pirate you gotta buy it if you wanna hear the good stuff

Just yesterday, I found three incidences of someone pirating our latest surf comp Radical Waves. They posted the files on their web site. Bastards!

Ted James
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The Nematoads http://www.nematoads.com

deepeddy wrote:

deanjordan wrote:

i found surf is too rare to pirate you gotta buy it if you wanna hear the good stuff

Just yesterday, I found three incidences of someone pirating our latest surf comp Radical Waves. They posted the files on their web site. Bastards!

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This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Since most people use weak passwords, a person with the right skill set should be able to access many accounts.

Ted James
Deep Eddy Records http://www.deepeddy.net
The Nematoads http://www.nematoads.com

hope it's OK to bump up this thread.
A very relevant comic I found:
Disturbingly simplified, but still - things changed and there's no going back. Better make the most of it.

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Last edited: Aug 01, 2012 16:16:50

Apple looks a little little. And YouTube/Google, too.

The Exotic Guitar of Kahuna Kawentzmann

You can get the boy out of the Keynes era, but you can’t get the Keynes era out of the boy.

Last edited: Aug 01, 2012 16:54:49

Very relevant comic indeed

Monkey Ju

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The problem with the last frame is, as anybody who tried it knows, that you need to create trust in strangers to give you payment info. And also to be visible with a direct artist store. I’m afraid the direct to fan sale will stay a fraction of totals an act is shifting. Except maybe for big names that were established with what remains of the old system of marketing – advances, street teams and so forth.
A possible alternative is to take the numbers of music files traveling the data highways and ask ISPs, hardware manufacturers and their like to compensate the artist for the trafic.
It’s like when movies turned from silent to sound – now the studios were paying the musicians, no longer the theatres.

The Exotic Guitar of Kahuna Kawentzmann

You can get the boy out of the Keynes era, but you can’t get the Keynes era out of the boy.

Last edited: Aug 02, 2012 07:02:15

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