Brian wrote:

No, that isn't possible.

It's how child porn users are caught. Government agencies are processing internet traffic looking for things of interest. Maybe warrents are required in some cases, and maybe not in others, and maybe other pieces have to be added to work as I described. I just said it's possible.

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Oh, and the UN is considering centralizing control over all Internet traffic. That ought to speed things along.

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

A person will always be able to rip a CD without any consequence. Unfortunately in the digital age an exact first generation copy is possible, and covert sharing methods that can never be decrypted do exist.

Jeremy

I'm not saying centralized control, review and filtering of Internet traffic is desireable. I believe the exact opposite. I am saying that lots of services already review existing traffic looking for interesting content. Combine that with government interest in controlling content and it becomes possible to envision an Internet where anything not reviewed and approved is blocked. It happens in many countries already. The tech that does this could be used to block illegal downloads. That's all.

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

I'll defer. However, I am informed by some reliable insiders that even the extensive efforts used by SWATters to hide their tracks can be followed by the intel community if the effort is ever made. Others do disagree. But that may be why many governments and the UN want to take over Internet traffic.

Brian wrote:

Noel, as a nerd who is paid to work on internet protocols and networking I can tell you that your statement:

It is technically possible to implement software that detects any download of a music file anywhere on the Internet.

is just not true. Yes, some things can be detected but there is no way to detect "any download anywhere". People who know what they are doing can hide their tracks.

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

How about pirating digital reverb pedals?

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How about playing someone else's song that was written in the sixties without paying them?

Jeremy

In order to pay the creators we don’t need to know who received the data package. Take YouTube, you see the number of views beside the video. Accountants can take that number and make a payment to the creators of the content. The internet is build of hubs that take such notes of data being passed through, as far as I understand. That’s all the knowledge it takes the tech companies need to pay artists. And they know that.

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Tech companies can steer clear of child porn or snuff videos. They can also employ music fingerprinting and manpower to keep their servers clean from copyright violations. You can interpolate the numbers from legal sites to compensate for unidentifiable tracks passing through. A true music fan would use proper sites, of course.

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I highly recommend anyone who is in this as any kind of business (band, label or distributor) read this response to "THE letter" that Noah shared. You don't have to agree with it, but you cannot ignore the perspective.

killbabykill34 wrote:

Here is one of the response articles to Davil Lowery's article.

http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/record-labels/guest-post-jay-frank-on-npr-s-emily-white-1007388552.story

One cannot place all of the blame the consumers.

I wrote earlier on in this thread a central issue is this scene is that it seriously needs more consumers/customers (if business is the objective.)

If this is a business, great. Treat it like a business. 40+ hours a week, 50+ weeks a year. Create new music, sell, market, promote, perform, sell, market some more, repeat. Again, if this is a business/profession/career, this market needs to grow - gain more consumers.

Like any business, what was good enough yesterday is not good enough tomorrow. Keep doing what you've been doing and get left behind.

Take Brave New Surf as an example. I believe in the potential that compilation has (had?) to expand the market - put my money where my mouth is too (see my cool BNS badge over there <- ?). At the risk of upsetting the apple cart, I gotta say, I feel a bit let down that this post got lost in the bit bucket. I wonder, is there so much traffic on SG101 that it just got lost in the shuffle? ...or do I really not want to hear the answer?

I apologize if that one example (it is just one example) makes anyone involved with that project feel uncomfortable or upset with me. I just had to say for the last time in this thread... if you want a different result, quit doing the same thing. Else accept what it is and enjoy that.

I've said before, I keep posting with comments that may seem against the grain, not because I'm trying to take shots at anyone, rather because I love this music too much to stand by and read/listen to the defeated mindset that keeps surfacing.

Like Ariel said... if you want change, be change. Put your energy into what you can, not what you cannot, or what you expect someone else to do for you. No one cares about your music or your business as much as you do; they never will. Take charge.

Fady

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