Brian
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Posted on Jul 21 2011 06:06 PM
I struggled between Pipeline and Miserlou. Pipeline charted higher and is perhaps more well known to the general public. But in my heart, it had to go to Dick Dale. Surf music's heart has always been Dick Dale. I have no idea why you would think "Dick Dale is entirely a different animal". That glissando at the beginning of Pipeline? That came from Dick Dale. The power and rage of surf music comes from Dick Dale, and any "anthem" must be from him, IMHO.
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Brian
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Posted on Jul 21 2011 06:07 PM
WhorehayRFB wrote:
4643 active members on this forum...
Not really. Last time I crunched the numbers only about 200 or so unique, registered members visited the site over a two week period.
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CaptainSpringfield
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Under the Sun
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Posted on Jul 21 2011 06:16 PM
(edit) Whoops. Or not.
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IvanP
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
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southern Michigan
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Posted on Jul 21 2011 06:19 PM
Brian wrote:
I struggled between Pipeline and Miserlou.
Pipeline charted higher and is perhaps more well
known to the general public. But in my heart, it had to
go to Dick Dale. Surf music's heart has always been
Dick Dale. I have no idea why you would think "Dick
Dale is entirely a different animal". That glissando at
the beginning of Pipeline? That came from Dick Dale.
The power and rage of surf music comes from Dick Dale,
and any "anthem" must be from him, IMHO.
Amen.
— Ivan
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bigtikidude
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Posted on Jul 21 2011 07:29 PM
Brian wrote:
WhorehayRFB wrote:
4643 active members on this forum...
Not really. Last time I crunched the numbers only about
200 or so unique, registered members visited the site
over a two week period.
That's a bummer, and makes me sad.
I blame Facebook, damn it!!
— Jeff(bigtikidude)
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WhorehayRFB
Joined: Jun 12, 2008
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Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted on Jul 22 2011 12:47 PM
Brian wrote:
WhorehayRFB wrote:
4643 active members on this forum...
Not really. Last time I crunched the numbers only about
200 or so unique, registered members visited the site
over a two week period.
Now it is up to 4647! 
http://surfguitar101.com/profile/members/user/
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Ruhar
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Posts: 3909
San Diego, CA
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Posted on Jul 22 2011 12:47 PM
IvanP wrote:
Brian wrote:
I struggled between Pipeline and Miserlou.
Pipeline charted higher and is perhaps more well
known to the general public. But in my heart, it had
to
go to Dick Dale. Surf music's heart has always been
Dick Dale. I have no idea why you would think "Dick
Dale is entirely a different animal". That glissando
at
the beginning of Pipeline? That came from Dick
Dale.
The power and rage of surf music comes from Dick
Dale,
and any "anthem" must be from him, IMHO.
Amen.
Indeed!
— Ryan
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elreydlp
Joined: Sep 04, 2009
Posts: 1800
Temecula, CA
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Posted on Jul 22 2011 01:04 PM
WhorehayRFB wrote:
Brian wrote:
WhorehayRFB wrote:
4643 active members on this forum...
Not really. Last time I crunched the numbers only
about
200 or so unique, registered members visited the
site
over a two week period.
Now it is up to 4647!
http://surfguitar101.com/profile/members/user/
Not bad considering there's 1352 guitar pickers in Nashville! And 13,821 mothers!
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Tuck
Joined: Sep 02, 2006
Posts: 3166
Denver, CO
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Posted on Jul 22 2011 01:11 PM
bigtikidude wrote:
That's a bummer, and makes me sad. I blame Facebook, damn it!!
I don't know. The two (why?) Facebook groups are the dullest thing you could imagine. Just people pushing their own or their favorite songs, mostly, and pretty much the same thing on both. Sometimes the song posts are interesting, but it's pretty inconsistent. I don't really read them any more and I got to that point almost immediately. A lot of people (me included) post songs and videos on their own walls and exchange comments over them, but the level of discussion is about the same as the Shoutbox. FB may well be killing the Shallow End, though.
It would be interesting if there were a way to interface something like that with FB, etc., maybe. Maybe not. I can go a long time without looking at the Shoutbox.
I suspect that 4K "active" number for the forums is the number of accounts that have been created over the lifetime of the board and which have then posted at least once as opposed to just lurking.
A figure of 200 regularly active at the moment isn't actually bad, unless it comes out of a long term (not seasonal) trend downward. In any event it has nothing to do with the total number of people who like surf music enough to be involved with it in one way or another. It may not even be functionally related to it.
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Brian
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Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Jul 22 2011 01:45 PM
Sorry for the off-topic.
I agree with Tuck. Although I fear what FB could do to this site, it doesn't seem to be happening. The popularity of this website has grown and hasn't leveled in my estimation. We just don't have that many people who are active at any one time. And we were never that big to begin with. The 4000+ member count is over the lifetime of this website (5 years). Only a small fraction of these members have actually posted anything. I suspect many of the sign-ups were spammers. I've thought about going through the user database and deleting members who haven't posted anything or even returned to the site in say, 2 years.
The Facebook surf music groups are pretty lame. And like Tuck said, the level of conversation is at the shout-box stage. FB is not conducive to conversations like forums are. There is no way to search for old discussions. It is all pretty disposable.
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Fady
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Posts: 2265
North Carolina
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Posted on Jul 22 2011 02:50 PM
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I agree with the sentiment above about FB and how it's used. I don't see any material detraction from SG101. To the contrary, it might be helping (the scene, anyway.) I'll offer one small anecdote.
I make random FB posts once or twice a week about music I hear during my runs. Currently training for a marathon, so I have lots of "ear bud" time each week. (No, neither of those dudes in my avitar are me - read Christopher McDougall if you care to learn who they are!) Anyhow, this long time friend (and runner) writes me the other day on FB to say he picked up some Slacktone tunes thanks to my posts - he's really digging it. To which I responded with more recommendations.
My point - yeah, there's some of this audience (SG101'ers) there (on FB) that appreciate each others surf related posts. But I'd offer there are way more folks who aren't here that are also getting eye-full / ear-full of surf stuff that's doing good for the scene. So it doesn't help the occasional run of cricket chirps round here. But I'd also say it's probably not adding to the frequency or duration of said cricket chirp-fests either.
<soap box>
Imma call out the lurkers for that
Seriously. On the old SG101, you used to see clear daily hit metrics. The old site used to get upwards of 20,000+ page views a day. I have to believe that's still the case. And what, maybe 100 actual posts in a particularly busy day?
Participate people!
</soap box>
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jonfender
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Melbourne FL USA
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Posted on Jul 22 2011 03:37 PM
Best Surf Anthem ? Well ya' hafta' admit, The Chantays have the "definitive (self-written) version" of "Pipeline".....AND Dick Dale does a GREAT version of it (w/Stevie Ray) in the "Back to The Beach" movie, it's "over the top" cool !! He did it when I saw him live (2007) & it was Fabulous !!
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Richard
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Posts: 1683
Georgia
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Posted on Jul 22 2011 04:14 PM
Dick also covered Pipeline during the show I saw a couple of months ago on his tour with Laramie Dean. I believe he did at the other shows I saw around ten years ago as well. Based on what I've read, Dick had a lot to do (indirectly, of course) with that song being written and the way it was recorded (which can be said about most if not all surf music coming from that area at the time, I'm guessing).
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DeadRanchHands
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Posted on Jul 22 2011 04:17 PM
bigtikidude wrote:
and Neither of which are actually about the Ocean or
surfing.
even Mr. Moto and Misirlou are't really surf songs.
i.e.
They were not written to be about or in regards to
surfing.
I'm not clear on how an instrumental tune can really be "about" anything. ;)
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DeadRanchHands
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Posted on Jul 22 2011 04:41 PM
I'm going with Baja. It's not THE most famous, but it's famous enough. It's super drippy, and it has a great melody.
Second choice: Misirlou.
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Jul 22 2011 05:24 PM
DeadRanchHands wrote:
w an instrumental tune can really be
"about" anything. ;)
By writing it about something... It can be an evocation of thoughts, feelings, events. Instrumental music written to just be instrumental music is pretty crappy...
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DeadRanchHands
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Posted on Jul 22 2011 07:26 PM
JakeDobner wrote:
DeadRanchHands wrote:
w an instrumental tune can really be
"about" anything. ;)
By writing it about something... It can be an evocation
of thoughts, feelings, events. Instrumental music
written to just be instrumental music is pretty
crappy...
A lot of it is the power of suggestion. I've never gone surfing, and listening to Surf Rider doesn't bring back memories of surfing - it brings back memories of Pulp Fiction, where I first heard it. What meaning you take from instrumental music is mostly subjective.
And titles don't really mean anything. If you retitled Surf Rider as Lone Rider, would it not be a surf song anymore?
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thorburn
Joined: Jul 04, 2006
Posts: 34
Los Angeles, CA
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Posted on Jul 23 2011 09:31 PM
Brian wrote:
I struggled between Pipeline and Miserlou.
Pipeline charted higher and is perhaps more well
known to the general public. But in my heart, it had to
go to Dick Dale. Surf music's heart has always been
Dick Dale. I have no idea why you would think "Dick
Dale is entirely a different animal". That glissando at
the beginning of Pipeline? That came from Dick Dale.
The power and rage of surf music comes from Dick Dale,
and any "anthem" must be from him, IMHO.
Don't get me wrong though. Dick Dale is one of the reasons we're even talking about surf music at all. I just think Dick Dale has a distinctive style and sound independent from a lot of other surf groups. In my mind The Chantays, The Astronauts, The Surfaris, The Lively Ones have a lot of similar elements to their sound and their melodies. Dick Dale has a much heavier sound with more focus on the rhythm and exotic melodies. I think Dick Dale's sound is unique in that no band in the past nor present could ever be mistaken for him. In that sense I don't think he's typical of the surf genre on the whole if that makes sense. I think of Pipeline as The Classic surf song and Miserlou as Classic Dick Dale. To me he's just an entirely different entity that extends beyond surf.
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Richard
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Georgia
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Posted on Jul 24 2011 07:56 PM
To kind of meld a couple of the subjects discussed in this thread, here's a Youtube video I just came across of The Lively Ones covering Pipeline, which I'd actually never heard (ashamed to admit my only Lively Ones disc is one of those "Lost Legends..." series) that I think kicks quite a bit of ass. I'd also never seen most of the pictures before. I'd only seen the guitar players pictured with Strats (assuming all the pictures I've seen were actually of The Lively Ones).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_27q9Uujz0
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jdangerously57
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Medford, OR, USA
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Posted on Jul 27 2011 01:12 AM
Personally I'd have to go with Miserlou. And I'd say with regards to it being an anthem, it fits the bill along the same lines that Quiet Village does for Exotica, and that being all the main elements that comprise the genre being present in the song. While both genre's have grown to encompass many more elements and styles then were present during the time of these 2 genre standards, each still represents the base sound and style that helped create a style of music that could evolve and grow into many different styles, but still rooted in that base area. Of course in my area when I explain to people that my band is a Surf band, many still draw a blank at first, that is until the Pulp Fiction reference or a Beach Boy's reference comes into play. Then again, when I mention Exotica to folks, they tend to look at me like I'm speaking a foreign language (which in this area is a fitting description for it).
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