Am I the only one that doesnt like Dick Dale?

diceophonic

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Posted on Nov 07 2006 11:56 PM

IronMaiden pickup "Surf Rider" by The Lively Ones they cover a few DD covers A+ tasteful versions of DD covers I know you don't dig on DD but check The Lively Ones out, this was my 1st LP when I was kid I think you can get a used cd from www.amazon.com for dirt cheap or www.half.com
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dwgregory1

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Posted on Nov 08 2006 07:39 AM

Lively Ones

Nothing like discussing other people's merit.

Either you like something, or you don't, or you sorta do, or you sorta don't...
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WR

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Posted on Nov 08 2006 08:25 AM

fwiw, Dick Dale never claimed to be a great guitarist, only to be a great musician. surf's not about chops. If your a great guitarist and know how to use it (Dave Wronski!) that's great.
if you're a so so guitarist and still make kick ass music, that's great!

whether Dick's a great player totally depends on what your criterium is. he's not sloppy. used to be in the 60's maybe, not now.

the roiginal posts makes me think IronMaiden has only heard on cd with oldies, like surflegend.

my 2 cts, etc.

WR

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surfneptune

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Posted on Nov 08 2006 11:44 AM

Actually, I like surf with chops... not shredding. just great musicianship, I cringe when I hear primitive lead lines, that may sound authentic, but have me running for the door.

Just my two cents.

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Klas

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Posted on Nov 08 2006 01:27 PM

WR
fwiw, Dick Dale never claimed to be a great guitarist, only to be a great musician. surf's not about chops.

When it comes to modern day bands, I often find that the more technical the bandmembers are, the worse the music gets. In my book, surf music is all about sound and tunes but of course you also need to know how to play your instrument.

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WR

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Posted on Nov 08 2006 05:03 PM

well, I'm just back from a Dick Dale concert, and he AIN'T sloppy. really.

WR

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dp

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Posted on Nov 08 2006 06:20 PM

WR
well, I'm just back from a Dick Dale concert, and he AIN'T sloppy.

well, he has been playing much of his repetoire for, like, 40 years...right?

and, he was pretty decent way backin the olden days...i think he just keeps getting better with age...

-dp

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DannySnyder

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Posted on Nov 08 2006 06:23 PM

Klas
When it comes to modern day bands, I often find that the more technical the bandmembers are, the worse the music gets. In my book, surf music is all about sound and tunes but of course you also need to know how to play your instrument.

I agree, there's a threshold in surf music that is easily breached by the overly technical player, scales and such. The real genius is in making the simple sublime - like Wronski and I think DD too at his best.

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Surfabilly

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Posted on Nov 08 2006 07:08 PM

DannySnyder
At what level does a guitarist have to be before people stop questioning how well he can play? It really comes down to the choices an individual artist makes; repertoire, equipment, arrangements, tonal, stage show,etc..

There are folks that claim Jimi Hendrix sucked, as a guitar player, the same as there are folks that say the same about Clapton...SRV. If they've been deigned a "guitar god," it's likely there are folks that'll say "eh...x player ain't all that great." I have a DVD with footage of Hendrix playing a Spanish piece on an acoustic 12-string, which is likely where I got the idea for my "guitar player litmus test," at least for those that claim they're better than an internationally famous player. If you want to tell a player from a poser, give 'em an acoustic guitar and see what happens.

Of course any kind of music created with electric instruments can be called "organized noise"...Hendrix figured out how to use feedback...but what happens when ya take away the Strat, effects chain and solid state amp with all the knobs turned to "11?" Of course with my "litmus test," I'll be getting back to finding gems of parts and riffs on my acoustic guitars before I start looking for the right combination of electric guitar, effects and amp settings to go with. I'll be buying an Indiana Scout (6-string acoustic), sometime soon, so I'll have something to take with me on military maneuvers, when possible, so I'll be able to practice my chops, and jam, without worrying about if it gets damaged or stolen, like I would with my Epiphone PR100.

bigtikidude
I wouldn't say that to Gein and the Grave robbers who did a surf cover of Transylvania,
and Surf Report who did a surf cover of The Trooper,
both turned out rather well I thought. though I was raised on Rock and Metal

Jeff(bigtikidude)

Jeff, I'll claim "victim of too much music out there, and too little money for collecting," on this one. Now that you've mentioned 'em, I'm sure that I'll enjoy 'em, as soon as I can find me some examples. I have a fairly broad appreciation for music of all types...with the exceptions of what's called "house," "hip-hop," "techno," "gangsta rap."

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diceophonic Joined: May 20, 2006 Posts: 2174 PacNW (Vancouver, Wa U.S.A.)	Posted on Nov 07 2006 11:56 PM IronMaiden pickup "Surf Rider" by The Lively Ones they cover a few DD covers A+ tasteful versions of DD covers I know you don't dig on DD but check The Lively Ones out, this was my 1st LP when I was kid I think you can get a used cd from www.amazon.com for dirt cheap or www.half.com image — -Kyle Beyond The Surf YouTube channel Beyond The Surf Instagram The Verbtones @ Instagram The Verbtones @ Facebook The Verbtones @ bandcamp Top
dwgregory1 Joined: Oct 30, 2006 Posts: 118 Baltimore, MD	Posted on Nov 08 2006 07:39 AM Lively Ones Nothing like discussing other people's merit. Either you like something, or you don't, or you sorta do, or you sorta don't... Enjoy what you like, and who cares what you don't. Top
WR Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 3832 netherlands	Posted on Nov 08 2006 08:25 AM fwiw, Dick Dale never claimed to be a great guitarist, only to be a great musician. surf's not about chops. If your a great guitarist and know how to use it (Dave Wronski!) that's great. if you're a so so guitarist and still make kick ass music, that's great! whether Dick's a great player totally depends on what your criterium is. he's not sloppy. used to be in the 60's maybe, not now. the roiginal posts makes me think IronMaiden has only heard on cd with oldies, like surflegend. my 2 cts, etc. WR — Rules to live by #314: "When in Italy, if the menu says something's grilled, don't assume it is." https://www.facebook.com/The-Malbehavers-286429584796173/ Top
surfneptune Joined: Mar 16, 2006 Posts: 923	Posted on Nov 08 2006 11:44 AM Actually, I like surf with chops... not shredding. just great musicianship, I cringe when I hear primitive lead lines, that may sound authentic, but have me running for the door. Just my two cents. tom — THe NEpTuNeS Top
Klas Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 2293 Stockholm, Sweden	Posted on Nov 08 2006 01:27 PM WR fwiw, Dick Dale never claimed to be a great guitarist, only to be a great musician. surf's not about chops. When it comes to modern day bands, I often find that the more technical the bandmembers are, the worse the music gets. In my book, surf music is all about sound and tunes but of course you also need to know how to play your instrument. — T H E ✠ S U R F I T E S Top
WR Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 3832 netherlands	Posted on Nov 08 2006 05:03 PM well, I'm just back from a Dick Dale concert, and he AIN'T sloppy. really. WR — Rules to live by #314: "When in Italy, if the menu says something's grilled, don't assume it is." https://www.facebook.com/The-Malbehavers-286429584796173/ Top
dp Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3546 mojave desert, california	Posted on Nov 08 2006 06:20 PM WR well, I'm just back from a Dick Dale concert, and he AIN'T sloppy. well, he has been playing much of his repetoire for, like, 40 years...right? and, he was pretty decent way backin the olden days...i think he just keeps getting better with age... -dp Top
DannySnyder Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11053 Berkeley, CA	Posted on Nov 08 2006 06:23 PM Klas When it comes to modern day bands, I often find that the more technical the bandmembers are, the worse the music gets. In my book, surf music is all about sound and tunes but of course you also need to know how to play your instrument. I agree, there's a threshold in surf music that is easily breached by the overly technical player, scales and such. The real genius is in making the simple sublime - like Wronski and I think DD too at his best. — Danny Snyder "With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF Top
Surfabilly Joined: Apr 21, 2006 Posts: 852 Connersville, Indiana, USA	Posted on Nov 08 2006 07:08 PM DannySnyder At what level does a guitarist have to be before people stop questioning how well he can play? It really comes down to the choices an individual artist makes; repertoire, equipment, arrangements, tonal, stage show,etc.. There are folks that claim Jimi Hendrix sucked, as a guitar player, the same as there are folks that say the same about Clapton...SRV. If they've been deigned a "guitar god," it's likely there are folks that'll say "eh...x player ain't all that great." I have a DVD with footage of Hendrix playing a Spanish piece on an acoustic 12-string, which is likely where I got the idea for my "guitar player litmus test," at least for those that claim they're better than an internationally famous player. If you want to tell a player from a poser, give 'em an acoustic guitar and see what happens. Of course any kind of music created with electric instruments can be called "organized noise"...Hendrix figured out how to use feedback...but what happens when ya take away the Strat, effects chain and solid state amp with all the knobs turned to "11?" Of course with my "litmus test," I'll be getting back to finding gems of parts and riffs on my acoustic guitars before I start looking for the right combination of electric guitar, effects and amp settings to go with. I'll be buying an Indiana Scout (6-string acoustic), sometime soon, so I'll have something to take with me on military maneuvers, when possible, so I'll be able to practice my chops, and jam, without worrying about if it gets damaged or stolen, like I would with my Epiphone PR100. bigtikidude I wouldn't say that to Gein and the Grave robbers who did a surf cover of Transylvania, and Surf Report who did a surf cover of The Trooper, both turned out rather well I thought. though I was raised on Rock and Metal Jeff(bigtikidude) Jeff, I'll claim "victim of too much music out there, and too little money for collecting," on this one. Now that you've mentioned 'em, I'm sure that I'll enjoy 'em, as soon as I can find me some examples. I have a fairly broad appreciation for music of all types...with the exceptions of what's called "house," "hip-hop," "techno," "gangsta rap." Matt — Fast Cars & Loud Guitars! Top

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