topsail
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Posted on Nov 08 2009 07:44 PM
DannySnyder
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Now I'm the one who's being dogmatic. While I'm a fan of their music, I hesitate to call it surf, I prefer to call it Beach music. To me Surf is an instrumental style of music. However, I'm prepared to stay in the minority on this one.
Don't go pissing off our southern friends. "Beach Music" means something on the right coast 
Yep, "Beach Music
" is a whole other genre here on the Southern East Coast (Carolinas & S. Va).
Really? Educate me.
A <u>google search</u> should educate you adequately? Lot's of info waiting for you there in cyber-space 
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DannySnyder
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Posted on Nov 08 2009 09:27 PM
I did google it, I was just interested in the local perspective. It's rare for me to come across a musical genre that was completely unknown to me.
— Danny Snyder
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shivers13
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Posted on Nov 08 2009 10:08 PM
I looked up Beach Music on wikipedia for the heck of it and the Beach Boys definitely don't fit into that category.
See for yourself...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beach_Music
Interesting.
If you "wiki" surf music guess who's there...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surf_music
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Posted on Nov 08 2009 10:17 PM
The Protestent reformation started in circumstances not too different from these. Bishop Synchro the Wise proposes that we use the terms Instro Surf and Vocal Surf when speakeing of these hallowed distinctions. 
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
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shivers13
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Posted on Nov 08 2009 10:22 PM
Agreed! All hail Bishop Synchro the Wise!
Sacred text from the book of "wiki"....
It (surf music) has two major forms: largely instrumental surf rock, with an electric guitar or saxophone playing the main melody, pioneered by acts such as Dick Dale and the Del-Tones, and vocal surf pop, including both surf ballads and dance music, often with strong harmonies that are most associated with The Beach Boys.
Hallelujah!
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ElMonstroPorFavor
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Posted on Nov 08 2009 10:24 PM
y'all are so rigid. Genres should be descriptions, not clubs. Beach boys are surf music and if you're offended by that you can split it into Surf Pop or Surf Instrumental. Or you can call it "the sort of music Billy likes" or "music for knitting".
While surf rock was enough of a craze that you can pick out a bunch of common traits, It's also possible that some of those bands could be considered jazz. Or jazz bands could be surf! Or they could be both with some R&B thrown in. Nobody's paying dues to keep the name holy, call things what you want so long as it gets the point accross
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shivers13
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Posted on Nov 08 2009 10:28 PM
ElMonstroPorFavor
Nobody's paying dues to keep the name holy, call things what you want so long as it gets the point accross
Also very wise words.
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DannySnyder
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Posted on Nov 08 2009 10:34 PM
You're right, I've seen the error of my ways.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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Brian
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Posted on Nov 08 2009 10:41 PM
What surf group could be considered jazz? And there's that surf rock term again.
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shivers13
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Posted on Nov 08 2009 10:45 PM
The jazz thing threw me off as well but he made a good point. I actually had no idea what Beach music was to be honest, so it's cool to learn something new.
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shivers13
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Posted on Nov 08 2009 10:48 PM
Danny, you are too cool. I truly mean that.
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casey
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Posted on Nov 08 2009 10:56 PM
Here are a few examples of what people in Virginia and Carolina refer to as "Beach Music". Heavy bass, horns, vocal harmony.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y06JAOaxOZc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO0Zba2Y5Uw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q8z3QFtNT4
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shivers13
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Posted on Nov 08 2009 11:05 PM
Weird... had no idea the music in those clips was classified as Beach Music... Sounds like soul music. Must be very regional description.
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ElMonstroPorFavor
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Posted on Nov 08 2009 11:05 PM
Brian
What surf group could be considered jazz? And there's that surf rock term again.
Off the top of my head I've seen Sandy Nelson filed under Jazz, Kai Winding has an album that tiptoes between both, Larry Wilcox and his Orchestra calls himself "Hot Rod Jazz" (in fact there's a lot of bands with "orchestra" in the name that could be seen both ways). There might be better examples and I'm pretty sure there are worse examples that I'm happy not to remember. At risk of the word "saxophone" making people freak, it's not that hard of a gap to bridge
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BoardwalkerJeff
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Posted on Nov 09 2009 12:35 AM
So, It seems a lot of you haven't seen my Disgracebook page...
A week or so ago I put up what I consider the Beach Boys best instro ever. The Sliders covered it in the early 90's...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx7-1I3r6Os
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BoardwalkerJeff
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Posted on Nov 09 2009 12:45 AM
Also, the jazz references to Surf music probably had to do with Bruce Brown using jazz in his early surf films. It really fits IMHO...
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casey
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Posted on Nov 09 2009 04:44 AM
shivers13 wrote
Weird... had no idea the music in those clips was classified as Beach Music... Sounds like soul music. Must be very regional description.
In the 60's there were a number of venues at Virginia Beach, Nags Head (on the Outer Banks of NC), and probably most famously at Myrtle Beach that featured groups similar to those listed. It was called "Beach Music" because its what you heard when you went to the beach. The style of music is associated with a dance called The Shag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5PfRsjEs98&feature=related
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topsail
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Posted on Nov 09 2009 06:34 AM
In the East Coast Bible Belt most all Blues, Soul and R&B was forbidden in local establishments and on juke boxes in diners and such, but in many coastal locales it could be readily heard.
Beach Music sprang up in NC and spread to SC & Va. Young folk would come to the beach towns to listen and dance to the "forbidden" music which spawned a dance called the "Shag".
From Wiki - Beach music, also known as Carolina beach music, is a regional genre which developed from various musical styles of the forties, fifties and sixties. These styles ranged from big band swing instrumentals to the more raucous sounds of blues/jump blues, jazz, doo-wop, boogie, rhythm and blues, reggae, rockabilly and old-time rock and roll. Beach music is closely associated with the style of swing dance known as the shag, or the Carolina shag, which is also the official state dance of both North Carolina and South Carolina. Recordings with a 4/4 "blues shuffle" rhythmic structure and moderate-to-fast tempo are the most popular music for the shag, and the vast majority of the music in this genre fits that description.
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Brian
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Posted on Nov 09 2009 07:46 AM
ElMonstroPorFavor
Brian
What surf group could be considered jazz?
Off the top of my head I've seen Sandy Nelson filed under Jazz, Kai Winding has an album that tiptoes between both, Larry Wilcox and his Orchestra calls himself "Hot Rod Jazz" (in fact there's a lot of bands with "orchestra" in the name that could be seen both ways). There might be better examples and I'm pretty sure there are worse examples that I'm happy not to remember. At risk of the word "saxophone" making people freak, it's not that hard of a gap to bridge
Sure it is. When you think of Surf Music, do you really think of Sandy Nelson outside of a handful of albums and his session work?
I think the jazz players would cringe that you label a rock-n-roll band "jazz" because they have 1 or 2 sax players.
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Brian
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Posted on Nov 09 2009 07:47 AM
topsail
From Wiki - Beach music, also known as Carolina beach music, is a regional genre which developed from various musical styles of the forties, fifties and sixties. These styles ranged from big band swing instrumentals to the more raucous sounds of blues/jump blues, jazz, doo-wop, boogie, rhythm and blues, reggae, rockabilly and old-time rock and roll.
Sounds like 5 or 6 genres. The list of artists considered Beach Music on the wikipedia page is also quite diverse.
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