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--- In , "Klas Fjellgren" <surfites@b...>
wrote:
[...]
> As for personal preferences,
> I do think the Yahoo list format is crap but the main reason I wanted
> to see a web forum is because I believe it would attract more people
> and attention to the scene.
You know I really don't think there is that much difference in the
format, nor do I think people are going to say "eeeewww, an email
list, that's been around since the 1980's, I want a web forum". I
think most people prefer the email list since the messages come to them.
I've also got the group set up so that non-members can browse the
messages at the Yahoo web interface
().
There already is a web-based forum for surf music, it's that
bombora.net thing...
Like I said, I would entertain the idea of switching the group to a
forum. But from the poll, most members prefer the Yahoo Group. And
seeing how there already is the Bombora forum, I don't see a need to
switch right now. I'll consider it in the future though.
BN
Well said!
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Kristena Hernandez
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New poll for SurfGuitar101
Yes, but if that's the method people find most covenient to access the
information, then that, in itself, benefits surf music.
-K
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:25:54 -0000 "Klas Fjellgren"
<> writes:
>
>
> I must say it has been a bit surprising to see that peoples
> arguments
> against a web forum seems to be based on their own personal
> preferences/problems and not on what might benefit surf music in the
>
> long run.
>
> Klas / The Surfites
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I see, Klas.
I didn't realize that someone had to personally put up the webspace for the
forum format. I think you're being awfully insistent with other people's
webspace if you don't intend to do it yourself. Brian is a very nice guy and I
can see him doing it but as long as the Yahoo group is free, I can't see pushing
him or anyone to cough up the space and time to set up a forum.
It is an an obvious mis-statement to call the Yahoo list format "crap". A "crap"
format would not allow you and I to communicate with such ease and it wouldn't
be growing in membership so rapidly.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Klas Fjellgren
To:
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:32 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New poll for SurfGuitar101
What are you talking about? I have neither the webspace or the
knowledge to set up a web forum but Brian was willing to give it a
try if enough people supported the idea. As for personal preferences,
I do think the Yahoo list format is crap but the main reason I wanted
to see a web forum is because I believe it would attract more people
and attention to the scene.
!!!
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> Come on, Klas,
> Sure, we're all self centered and into our own personal preferences
but the biggest reason no one is going to the new forum is because it
hasn't been set up. Start that danged forum already and stop whining
to this list waiting for someone to do it for you. Set one up and
invite people. If it's as good a format as you say, after a while it
will be successful and will benefit surf music in the long run. Until
you do, you're just as into your own preferences / problems as any of
us.
> -Marty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Klas Fjellgren
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:25 AM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New poll for SurfGuitar101
>
>
>
> I must say it has been a bit surprising to see that peoples
arguments
> against a web forum seems to be based on their own personal
> preferences/problems and not on what might benefit surf music in
the
> long run.
>
> Klas / The Surfites
>
>
>
>
> --- In , Steve Kalkwarf <steve@k...>
> wrote:
> > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> > > SurfGuitar101 group:
> > >
> > > Should we stay with Yahoo Groups? Or
> > > would you prefer a more fancy-pants
> > > web-based forum like The Hypnotic IV has?
> >
> > I think the best argument for staying an email list is this
> response.
> > I've been too busy to keep up, and now, sitting without a nework
> > connection, but with my email, I can catch up.
> >
> > No web forum will ever replace that functionality.
> >
> > --
> > Steve Kalkwarf
> > <steve@k...>
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More than 10 years ago, I couldn't picture meeting so many people from
all over the world so quickly. I can write to these individuals fairly
quickly as well. They receive my messages within minutes. Furthermore,
it's cheaper than a phone or even parcel post (in my case because I use
dial-up). I say that yahoo groups have been pretty darn good!
On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:20:39 -0800 "Marty Tippens"
<> writes:
>
> I see, Klas.
> I didn't realize that someone had to personally put up the webspace
> for the forum format. I think you're being awfully insistent with
> other people's webspace if you don't intend to do it yourself. Brian
> is a very nice guy and I can see him doing it but as long as the
> Yahoo group is free, I can't see pushing him or anyone to cough up
> the space and time to set up a forum.
>
> It is an an obvious mis-statement to call the Yahoo list format
> "crap". A "crap" format would not allow you and I to communicate
> with such ease and it wouldn't be growing in membership so rapidly.
>
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Klas Fjellgren
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:32 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New poll for SurfGuitar101
>
>
>
> What are you talking about? I have neither the webspace or the
> knowledge to set up a web forum but Brian was willing to give it a
>
> try if enough people supported the idea. As for personal
> preferences,
> I do think the Yahoo list format is crap but the main reason I
> wanted
> to see a web forum is because I believe it would attract more
> people
> and attention to the scene.
>
> !!!
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > Come on, Klas,
> > Sure, we're all self centered and into our own personal
> preferences
> but the biggest reason no one is going to the new forum is because
> it
> hasn't been set up. Start that danged forum already and stop
> whining
> to this list waiting for someone to do it for you. Set one up and
>
> invite people. If it's as good a format as you say, after a while
> it
> will be successful and will benefit surf music in the long run.
> Until
> you do, you're just as into your own preferences / problems as any
> of
> us.
> > -Marty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Klas Fjellgren
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:25 AM
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New poll for SurfGuitar101
> >
> >
> >
> > I must say it has been a bit surprising to see that peoples
> arguments
> > against a web forum seems to be based on their own personal
> > preferences/problems and not on what might benefit surf music
> in
> the
> > long run.
> >
> > Klas / The Surfites
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , Steve Kalkwarf
> <steve@k...>
> > wrote:
> > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for
> the
> > > > SurfGuitar101 group:
> > > >
> > > > Should we stay with Yahoo Groups? Or
> > > > would you prefer a more fancy-pants
> > > > web-based forum like The Hypnotic IV has?
> > >
> > > I think the best argument for staying an email list is this
>
> > response.
> > > I've been too busy to keep up, and now, sitting without a
> nework
> > > connection, but with my email, I can catch up.
> > >
> > > No web forum will ever replace that functionality.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Steve Kalkwarf
> > > <steve@k...>
> >
> >
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So I have been "awfully insistent with other people's webspace" after
asking Brian once if he was interested in doing it...
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> I see, Klas.
> I didn't realize that someone had to personally put up the webspace
for the forum format. I think you're being awfully insistent with
other people's webspace if you don't intend to do it yourself. Brian
is a very nice guy and I can see him doing it but as long as the
Yahoo group is free, I can't see pushing him or anyone to cough up
the space and time to set up a forum.
>
> It is an an obvious mis-statement to call the Yahoo list
format "crap". A "crap" format would not allow you and I to
communicate with such ease and it wouldn't be growing in membership
so rapidly.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Klas Fjellgren
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:32 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New poll for SurfGuitar101
>
>
>
> What are you talking about? I have neither the webspace or the
> knowledge to set up a web forum but Brian was willing to give it
a
> try if enough people supported the idea. As for personal
preferences,
> I do think the Yahoo list format is crap but the main reason I
wanted
> to see a web forum is because I believe it would attract more
people
> and attention to the scene.
>
> !!!
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > Come on, Klas,
> > Sure, we're all self centered and into our own personal
preferences
> but the biggest reason no one is going to the new forum is
because it
> hasn't been set up. Start that danged forum already and stop
whining
> to this list waiting for someone to do it for you. Set one up and
> invite people. If it's as good a format as you say, after a while
it
> will be successful and will benefit surf music in the long run.
Until
> you do, you're just as into your own preferences / problems as
any of
> us.
> > -Marty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Klas Fjellgren
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:25 AM
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New poll for SurfGuitar101
> >
> >
> >
> > I must say it has been a bit surprising to see that peoples
> arguments
> > against a web forum seems to be based on their own personal
> > preferences/problems and not on what might benefit surf music
in
> the
> > long run.
> >
> > Klas / The Surfites
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , Steve Kalkwarf
<steve@k...>
> > wrote:
> > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for
the
> > > > SurfGuitar101 group:
> > > >
> > > > Should we stay with Yahoo Groups? Or
> > > > would you prefer a more fancy-pants
> > > > web-based forum like The Hypnotic IV has?
> > >
> > > I think the best argument for staying an email list is this
> > response.
> > > I've been too busy to keep up, and now, sitting without a
nework
> > > connection, but with my email, I can catch up.
> > >
> > > No web forum will ever replace that functionality.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Steve Kalkwarf
> > > <steve@k...>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > .
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I didn't say you were awfully insistant with "Brian's" web space. I said you
were awfully insistant with "other peoples" webspace. You have brought up the
desire for a forum format countless times knowing it would require someone,
anyone, to dedicate webspace.
I still think you can do it yourself and it would have at least some success.
Yes, you have a learning curve and some webspace to purchase but your enthusiasm
for the idea should be very motivating. Don't let my lack of enthusiasm for the
idea stop you.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Klas Fjellgren
To:
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:05 AM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New poll for SurfGuitar101
So I have been "awfully insistent with other people's webspace" after
asking Brian once if he was interested in doing it...
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> I see, Klas.
> I didn't realize that someone had to personally put up the webspace
for the forum format. I think you're being awfully insistent with
other people's webspace if you don't intend to do it yourself. Brian
is a very nice guy and I can see him doing it but as long as the
Yahoo group is free, I can't see pushing him or anyone to cough up
the space and time to set up a forum.
>
> It is an an obvious mis-statement to call the Yahoo list
format "crap". A "crap" format would not allow you and I to
communicate with such ease and it wouldn't be growing in membership
so rapidly.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Klas Fjellgren
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:32 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New poll for SurfGuitar101
>
>
>
> What are you talking about? I have neither the webspace or the
> knowledge to set up a web forum but Brian was willing to give it
a
> try if enough people supported the idea. As for personal
preferences,
> I do think the Yahoo list format is crap but the main reason I
wanted
> to see a web forum is because I believe it would attract more
people
> and attention to the scene.
>
> !!!
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > Come on, Klas,
> > Sure, we're all self centered and into our own personal
preferences
> but the biggest reason no one is going to the new forum is
because it
> hasn't been set up. Start that danged forum already and stop
whining
> to this list waiting for someone to do it for you. Set one up and
> invite people. If it's as good a format as you say, after a while
it
> will be successful and will benefit surf music in the long run.
Until
> you do, you're just as into your own preferences / problems as
any of
> us.
> > -Marty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Klas Fjellgren
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:25 AM
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New poll for SurfGuitar101
> >
> >
> >
> > I must say it has been a bit surprising to see that peoples
> arguments
> > against a web forum seems to be based on their own personal
> > preferences/problems and not on what might benefit surf music
in
> the
> > long run.
> >
> > Klas / The Surfites
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , Steve Kalkwarf
<steve@k...>
> > wrote:
> > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for
the
> > > > SurfGuitar101 group:
> > > >
> > > > Should we stay with Yahoo Groups? Or
> > > > would you prefer a more fancy-pants
> > > > web-based forum like The Hypnotic IV has?
> > >
> > > I think the best argument for staying an email list is this
> > response.
> > > I've been too busy to keep up, and now, sitting without a
nework
> > > connection, but with my email, I can catch up.
> > >
> > > No web forum will ever replace that functionality.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Steve Kalkwarf
> > > <steve@k...>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > .
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What other people's webspace? The 4-5 "countless" times over the last
year when I've brought up a desire for a web forum, have all been
about trying to get people interested in joining the Bombora Surf
Music Forum, which was already on the net long before I first found
it.
Now, get off my back!
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> I didn't say you were awfully insistant with "Brian's" web space. I
said you were awfully insistant with "other peoples" webspace. You
have brought up the desire for a forum format countless times knowing
it would require someone, anyone, to dedicate webspace.
>
> I still think you can do it yourself and it would have at least
some success. Yes, you have a learning curve and some webspace to
purchase but your enthusiasm for the idea should be very motivating.
Don't let my lack of enthusiasm for the idea stop you.
>
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Klas Fjellgren
> To:
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:05 AM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New poll for SurfGuitar101
>
>
>
> So I have been "awfully insistent with other people's webspace"
after
> asking Brian once if he was interested in doing it...
>
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > I see, Klas.
> > I didn't realize that someone had to personally put up the
webspace
> for the forum format. I think you're being awfully insistent
with
> other people's webspace if you don't intend to do it yourself.
Brian
> is a very nice guy and I can see him doing it but as long as the
> Yahoo group is free, I can't see pushing him or anyone to cough
up
> the space and time to set up a forum.
> >
> > It is an an obvious mis-statement to call the Yahoo list
> format "crap". A "crap" format would not allow you and I to
> communicate with such ease and it wouldn't be growing in
membership
> so rapidly.
> > -Marty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Klas Fjellgren
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:32 PM
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New poll for SurfGuitar101
> >
> >
> >
> > What are you talking about? I have neither the webspace or
the
> > knowledge to set up a web forum but Brian was willing to give
it
> a
> > try if enough people supported the idea. As for personal
> preferences,
> > I do think the Yahoo list format is crap but the main reason
I
> wanted
> > to see a web forum is because I believe it would attract more
> people
> > and attention to the scene.
> >
> > !!!
> >
> > --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> > <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > > Come on, Klas,
> > > Sure, we're all self centered and into our own personal
> preferences
> > but the biggest reason no one is going to the new forum is
> because it
> > hasn't been set up. Start that danged forum already and stop
> whining
> > to this list waiting for someone to do it for you. Set one up
and
> > invite people. If it's as good a format as you say, after a
while
> it
> > will be successful and will benefit surf music in the long
run.
> Until
> > you do, you're just as into your own preferences / problems
as
> any of
> > us.
> > > -Marty
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Klas Fjellgren
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:25 AM
> > > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New poll for SurfGuitar101
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I must say it has been a bit surprising to see that
peoples
> > arguments
> > > against a web forum seems to be based on their own
personal
> > > preferences/problems and not on what might benefit surf
music
> in
> > the
> > > long run.
> > >
> > > Klas / The Surfites
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , Steve Kalkwarf
> <steve@k...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created
for
> the
> > > > > SurfGuitar101 group:
> > > > >
> > > > > Should we stay with Yahoo Groups? Or
> > > > > would you prefer a more fancy-pants
> > > > > web-based forum like The Hypnotic IV has?
> > > >
> > > > I think the best argument for staying an email list is
this
> > > response.
> > > > I've been too busy to keep up, and now, sitting without
a
> nework
> > > > connection, but with my email, I can catch up.
> > > >
> > > > No web forum will ever replace that functionality.
> > > >
> > > > --
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Hey guys I am growing a bit tired of this subject. Yes Klas has
repeatedly praised the merits of the Bombora web forum, and that's
okay, as the more venues for the discussion of surf music, the
better. However there is a line in there somewhere. Obviously it
would be bad form if I went on to the Bombora forum and encouraged
everyone to join this list here. But Klas isn't the owner of the
Bombora forum, just a surf fan (and musician) who wants to spread
the word. Fine, nothing wrong with that, as long as he doesn't do it
every day.
So to summarize:
Klas asked me to consider switching SG101 to a web forum.
Intrigued, I tried out some software and found it interesting.
I created a poll to ask what the members wanted to do.
The turnout was low, as to be expected, but a clear majority wanted
to stick with Yahoo Groups, at least for now.
I'm satisified with that, but will consider revisiting the idea in
the future (say in a year or so).
Klas & Marty you guys obviously have strongly held opinions on web
forums vs Yahoo Groups; can you take your debate to private email?
Thank you,
BN
Sorry Klas. You're right. You did try to get us to join the existing Bombora
list. In fact I think some folks did.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Klas Fjellgren
To:
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 9:42 AM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New poll for SurfGuitar101
What other people's webspace? The 4-5 "countless" times over the last
year when I've brought up a desire for a web forum, have all been
about trying to get people interested in joining the Bombora Surf
Music Forum, which was already on the net long before I first found
it.
Now, get off my back!
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> I didn't say you were awfully insistant with "Brian's" web space. I
said you were awfully insistant with "other peoples" webspace. You
have brought up the desire for a forum format countless times knowing
it would require someone, anyone, to dedicate webspace.
>
> I still think you can do it yourself and it would have at least
some success. Yes, you have a learning curve and some webspace to
purchase but your enthusiasm for the idea should be very motivating.
Don't let my lack of enthusiasm for the idea stop you.
>
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Klas Fjellgren
> To:
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:05 AM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New poll for SurfGuitar101
>
>
>
> So I have been "awfully insistent with other people's webspace"
after
> asking Brian once if he was interested in doing it...
>
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > I see, Klas.
> > I didn't realize that someone had to personally put up the
webspace
> for the forum format. I think you're being awfully insistent
with
> other people's webspace if you don't intend to do it yourself.
Brian
> is a very nice guy and I can see him doing it but as long as the
> Yahoo group is free, I can't see pushing him or anyone to cough
up
> the space and time to set up a forum.
> >
> > It is an an obvious mis-statement to call the Yahoo list
> format "crap". A "crap" format would not allow you and I to
> communicate with such ease and it wouldn't be growing in
membership
> so rapidly.
> > -Marty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Klas Fjellgren
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:32 PM
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New poll for SurfGuitar101
> >
> >
> >
> > What are you talking about? I have neither the webspace or
the
> > knowledge to set up a web forum but Brian was willing to give
it
> a
> > try if enough people supported the idea. As for personal
> preferences,
> > I do think the Yahoo list format is crap but the main reason
I
> wanted
> > to see a web forum is because I believe it would attract more
> people
> > and attention to the scene.
> >
> > !!!
> >
> > --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> > <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > > Come on, Klas,
> > > Sure, we're all self centered and into our own personal
> preferences
> > but the biggest reason no one is going to the new forum is
> because it
> > hasn't been set up. Start that danged forum already and stop
> whining
> > to this list waiting for someone to do it for you. Set one up
and
> > invite people. If it's as good a format as you say, after a
while
> it
> > will be successful and will benefit surf music in the long
run.
> Until
> > you do, you're just as into your own preferences / problems
as
> any of
> > us.
> > > -Marty
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Klas Fjellgren
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:25 AM
> > > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: New poll for SurfGuitar101
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I must say it has been a bit surprising to see that
peoples
> > arguments
> > > against a web forum seems to be based on their own
personal
> > > preferences/problems and not on what might benefit surf
music
> in
> > the
> > > long run.
> > >
> > > Klas / The Surfites
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , Steve Kalkwarf
> <steve@k...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created
for
> the
> > > > > SurfGuitar101 group:
> > > > >
> > > > > Should we stay with Yahoo Groups? Or
> > > > > would you prefer a more fancy-pants
> > > > > web-based forum like The Hypnotic IV has?
> > > >
> > > > I think the best argument for staying an email list is
this
> > > response.
> > > > I've been too busy to keep up, and now, sitting without
a
> nework
> > > > connection, but with my email, I can catch up.
> > > >
> > > > No web forum will ever replace that functionality.
> > > >
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-I get sick for a couple days and look what happens.I vote for the
yahoo site.Its like I'm in this bar full of people and nobody knows
me . Thats ok though cause I'm in a room full of people into surf.
Miller
-- In , "Brian Neal" <brian@s...> wrote:
>
> Hey guys I am growing a bit tired of this subject. Yes Klas has
> repeatedly praised the merits of the Bombora web forum, and that's
> okay, as the more venues for the discussion of surf music, the
> better. However there is a line in there somewhere. Obviously it
> would be bad form if I went on to the Bombora forum and encouraged
> everyone to join this list here. But Klas isn't the owner of the
> Bombora forum, just a surf fan (and musician) who wants to spread
> the word. Fine, nothing wrong with that, as long as he doesn't do
it
> every day.
>
> So to summarize:
>
> Klas asked me to consider switching SG101 to a web forum.
> Intrigued, I tried out some software and found it interesting.
> I created a poll to ask what the members wanted to do.
> The turnout was low, as to be expected, but a clear majority wanted
> to stick with Yahoo Groups, at least for now.
> I'm satisified with that, but will consider revisiting the idea in
> the future (say in a year or so).
>
> Klas & Marty you guys obviously have strongly held opinions on web
> forums vs Yahoo Groups; can you take your debate to private email?
>
> Thank you,
> BN
Hey Miller, we know you. ;)
Richard
--- loscobrassurf <> wrote:
> -I get sick for a couple days and look what
> happens.I vote for the
> yahoo site.Its like I'm in this bar full of people
> and nobody knows
> me . Thats ok though cause I'm in a room full of
> people into surf.
> Miller
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Ohh Ohh you've been listeninig to my ranting.Thanks Richard.This site
has had a huge effect on me.Don't change a thing. Miller
--- In , Richard <errant_jedi@y...>
wrote:
> Hey Miller, we know you. ;)
>
> Richard
>
> --- loscobrassurf <loscobrassurf@y...> wrote:
>
> > -I get sick for a couple days and look what
> > happens.I vote for the
> > yahoo site.Its like I'm in this bar full of people
> > and nobody knows
> > me . Thats ok though cause I'm in a room full of
> > people into surf.
> > Miller
>
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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
SurfGuitar101 group:
In an effort to discern SG101s demographics, I ask, which age
group do you belong to?
o 1- 10 years old
o 11-20 years old
o 21-30 years old
o 31-40 years old
o 41-50 years old
o 51-60 years old
o 61-70 years old
o 71 -80 years old
o greater than 80 years old
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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
SurfGuitar101 group:
What is your favorite "live performance" setting for the Fender Reverb Unit?
o 5-5-5 (The Middle Path setting)
o 6-6-6 (The Devil's setting)
o 7-7-7 (The Jackpot setting)
o 8-8-8 (The Crazy Eights setting)
o 9-9-9 (The Almost-Too-Much-Reverb setting)
o 10-10-10 (The Too-Much-Reverb setting)
o 11-11-11 (The Spinal Tap Setting)
o 7-6-5
o 8-7-6
o some other magic (or secret) combination not listed
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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
SurfGuitar101 group:
Dick Dale's "Spatial Disorientation": is it "surf" music?
o absolutely, yes it is "surf" music all the way!
o sort of surf-like in some ways...un surf-like in other ways...
o perhaps, but it sounds more like "Dick Dale" music to me
o I don't know...this poll hurts my head, dude.
o definitely not "surf" music at all...not even close!
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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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a poll trying to figure out how (un)reliable Fender RI reverb tanks actually
are:
please note that there are three sets of questions, 1-3 on reliabilty, 4-6 on
noisyness, and 7-9 on the cause of trouble.
in the 4th part of the poll, 10-15, you can say how many boxes you ticked - i'm
guessing I'll need this later on to establich how many tanks we're talking
about, since it's a multi-answer poll.
THE POLL:
I own/have owned a Fender RI reverb tank and ...
(please answer apart from cap jobs and tube upgrades)
o it never gave me any trouble!
o it needed tech work on more then one occasion
o it needed tech work once, but after that it's always been fine
o it's not noisy nor picks up radio
o it's noisy and/or picks up radio
o it was noisy but after extra shielding it was okay
o technical malfunctions I encountered had to do with the reverb tray
o technical malfunctions I encountered had to do with the circuitboard
o technical malfunctions I encountered had to do with other parts (inputs,
pots, tube sockets etc)
o I ticked 1 box (excluding this one)
o I ticked 2 box (excluding this one)
o I ticked 3 box (excluding this one)
o I ticked 4 box (excluding this one)
o I ticked 5 box (excluding this one)
o I ticked more then 5 boxes (excluding this one)
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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
SurfGuitar101 group:
Musicians: What genres did you play prior to learning and playing Surf/Instro?
o Punk
o Classic Rock/Metal
o Alternative/Pop
o Rockabilly/Bluegrass/Country
o Jazz/Swing
o Blues
o Funk/R&B
o Classical
o World
o Others
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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
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How many guitars in your ideal surf band? (excluding bass)
o no guitars
o one guitar
o two guitars
o three guitars
o more than three guitars
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