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I stand corrected. I must have misunderstood what Jeff said.
--- In , Warren Binder
<captainspringfield@y...> wrote:
> Isn't Gil Orr from The Chantays? That'd make the Duo-Tones playing
"Pipeline" a bit different than Slacktone doing "Misirlou."
>
> -Warren
>
> Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
>
>
> You speak about artistic integrity and etiquette yet you don't seem to
> condemn Dick announcing he can't find a good drummer any where in
> front of a drummer he let go, presumably to a disagreement. And You
> need to go apeshit on Paul Johnson and Gil(can anybody fill me in on
> who he is) of the Duo-tones for doing Pipeline on the same bill as the
> Chantays.
>
> --- In , bruce d wrote:
> >
> > Hey Jeff -
> >
> > I know where you're coming from, and believe me, I know how big a
> Dick Dale can be.
> >
> > I also consider Dave W to be one of the most awesome surf/rock
> guitarists on the scene today, and also deserving of respect and
> admiration!
> >
> > Maybe my sense of artistic etiquette is inordinately well-defined,
> but my feeling was that the Big Dick has already pissed around the
> perimeter of "Misirlou" for enough years and on enough stages that it
> should be considered his signature song.
> >
> > A--hole or not, in his "Golden Years" (lol!) Dick Dale is still owed
> a lot by all of us in the Surf Music community. I don't wanna ruffle
> your feathers, but that's how I feel.
> >
> > Best Regards Big Tiki Dude!
> >
> > Bruce D
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , "Jeff" wrote:
> > >
> > > -Bruce,
> > > Chill out alittle but please.
> > > You weren't there.
> > > I said in my original Post that Dave said they weren't going to
> > > play it. But (WE) were all yelling for it. Dusty shrugged his
> > > shoulders and said what the hell, lets give it to them.
> > > Dick wasn't the headliner, he was only going to be playing with
> > > Jimmy, Bus since Sam and Ron were there, and Jimmy can play drums
> > > there were some full band songs. But about a half hour of it was
> > > just the Dick and Jimmy show(Boreing). The Chantays and the
Surfaris
> > > were after Dick.
> > > And Paul and Gil (The Duo Tones) Did Pipeline, and the Chantays
> > > were there. I'm sure Paul wasn't being disrespectful of the
Chantays.
> > > As a Matter of fact, the only one who was rude the whole day was
Dick.
> > > The way he went on about nover being able to find/have a good
drummer,
> > > who could listen/take directions/play on the 1's. That was a major
> > > slap inthe face of Dusty, and I believe he just said it to be an
ass,
> > > and is still mad at him for leaving.
> > > I understand what you are saying,and I totally 100% respect Dick fo
> > > rall his contributions to surf. But today the guy is 100% asshole
> > > and a bitter and misserable old geezer.
> > > Ron and Dusty didn't leave for no reason, they couldn't put up with
> > > him anymore.
> > > I could go on and on, but I've had personal e-mail exchanges with
> > > Dick, and he's not pleasant or respectful to anyone in the surf
> > > comunity.
> > > Jeff(bigtikidude)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- In , bruce d
> > > wrote:
> > > > See, the fact is that Dick Dale is Dick Dale. His idiosyncracies
> > > are legendary and very well-known. He used to tell venues that he
> > > would not play if another Instro Surf Band was going on before
him -
> > > He didn't want the audience's attention for his music diluted in
any
> > > way at all.
> > > >
> > > > This has never been a secret, and of all people, Dave W oughta
have
> > > been extremely aware of this. I come back to the issue of respect.
> > > If I heard Dick Dale playing one of our songs, yes, I'd be totally
> > > flattered and stoked! But for ME to presume to perform Dick's #1
> > > SIGNATURE SONG, prior to Dick himself getting on stage - SORRY, I
> > > find that inexcusably unprofessional and disrepectful. Like I said,
> > > younger folk just ain't got the same level of artistic ethics these
> > > days!
> > > >
> > > > Bruce D
> > > >
> > > > Brian Neal wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Wow. I guess we think the opposite Bruce.
> > > > > If another band played one of my tunes, (especially a band
of that
> > > > caliber), I'd be flattered, and then I'd probably jump on
stage with
> > > > them. But that's me.......
> > > > > B-B-O
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, maybe, *given* that this is a special benefit for Jim Pash,
> > > and
> > > > not a regular gig. So in the spirit of things I can see that.
Still
> > > it
> > > > does seem odd that they would play Misirlou...but man,
wouldn't that
> > > > have been something if DD joined Slacktone on stage? WOW.
> > > >
> > > > However, I wasn't there so I won't judge the mood or the situation
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Hey Jacob -
It was in a posting made earlier today. I said, if my band was playing at a
similar event, knowing The Ventures, The Chantays, The Surfaris and Dick Dale
were following, we would NOT play Walk Don't Run, Pipeline, Wipe Out or
Misirlou. No-one needs to go ape-shit on a band that does otherwise. As it
happened, apparently a very enthusiastic and insistent audience spoke loud and
clear, in their request that Slacktone play Misirlou, and Dusty and Dave W. went
along with the audience, for which one really can't blame them!
Everyone knows that Dick is a most appropriate name for Mr. Dale, and he's
definitely NOT picking up any goodwill by talking trash about any other player,
especially Dusty, who's gotta be one of the absolute best drummers on the
planet.
Dick has been a self-absorbed, arrogant, egotistical individual forever. If I'm
not mistaken, it was Dick who dubbed himself "King of the Surf Guitar" for
cryin' out loud! Are you really surprised at his recent bad behavior?
Bruce D
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condemn Dick announcing he can't find a good drummer any where in
front of a drummer he let go, presumably to a disagreement. And You
need to go apeshit on Paul Johnson and Gil(can anybody fill me in on
who he is) of the Duo-tones for doing Pipeline on the same bill as the
Chantays.
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I would have preferred to play Tidal Wave {Slacktone
song} but, shit happens. After Dick played, I came up
to say hello to him, tell him that I really enjoy
hearing him play, etc., knowing that I could get a
less than warm reaction after just playing Miserlou.
By the way, I didn't know he was there during our set.
He was very cordial to me, and even complimented me on
my playing. I told him I used to be in Jon and the
Nightriders, and reminded him of the gig we played
together at the Santa Monic Civic in 1980 to which he
responded "I'm glad to see you're still playing".
-- dave
--- bruce d <> wrote:
>
> Hey Jacob -
>
> It was in a posting made earlier today. I said, if
> my band was playing at a similar event, knowing The
> Ventures, The Chantays, The Surfaris and Dick Dale
> were following, we would NOT play Walk Don't Run,
> Pipeline, Wipe Out or Misirlou. No-one needs to go
> ape-shit on a band that does otherwise. As it
> happened, apparently a very enthusiastic and
> insistent audience spoke loud and clear, in their
> request that Slacktone play Misirlou, and Dusty and
> Dave W. went along with the audience, for which one
> really can't blame them!
>
> Everyone knows that Dick is a most appropriate name
> for Mr. Dale, and he's definitely NOT picking up any
> goodwill by talking trash about any other player,
> especially Dusty, who's gotta be one of the absolute
> best drummers on the planet.
>
> Dick has been a self-absorbed, arrogant, egotistical
> individual forever. If I'm not mistaken, it was
> Dick who dubbed himself "King of the Surf Guitar"
> for cryin' out loud! Are you really surprised at
> his recent bad behavior?
>
> Bruce D
>
>
> Jacob Dobner <> wrote:
>
> You speak about artistic integrity and etiquette yet
> you don't seem to
> condemn Dick announcing he can't find a good drummer
> any where in
> front of a drummer he let go, presumably to a
> disagreement. And You
> need to go apeshit on Paul Johnson and Gil(can
> anybody fill me in on
> who he is) of the Duo-tones for doing Pipeline on
> the same bill as the
> Chantays.
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--- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...> wrote:
> Hey Jacob -
> Dick has been a self-absorbed, arrogant, egotistical individual
forever. If I'm not mistaken, it was Dick who dubbed himself "King of
the Surf Guitar" for cryin' out loud! Are you really surprised at his
recent bad behavior?
This is good to hear, Dave. I remember a great show with Jon and the
Nightriders, Dick Dale and The Surf Raiders at the Country Club in the mid
'80's. That was in the Greg Echler days.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: dave wronski
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: DD Q & A, shit that went down on Sat at Jim
Pash benefit
I would have preferred to play Tidal Wave {Slacktone
song} but, shit happens. After Dick played, I came up
to say hello to him, tell him that I really enjoy
hearing him play, etc., knowing that I could get a
less than warm reaction after just playing Miserlou.
By the way, I didn't know he was there during our set.
He was very cordial to me, and even complimented me on
my playing. I told him I used to be in Jon and the
Nightriders, and reminded him of the gig we played
together at the Santa Monic Civic in 1980 to which he
responded "I'm glad to see you're still playing".
-- dave
--- bruce d <> wrote:
>
> Hey Jacob -
>
> It was in a posting made earlier today. I said, if
> my band was playing at a similar event, knowing The
> Ventures, The Chantays, The Surfaris and Dick Dale
> were following, we would NOT play Walk Don't Run,
> Pipeline, Wipe Out or Misirlou. No-one needs to go
> ape-shit on a band that does otherwise. As it
> happened, apparently a very enthusiastic and
> insistent audience spoke loud and clear, in their
> request that Slacktone play Misirlou, and Dusty and
> Dave W. went along with the audience, for which one
> really can't blame them!
>
> Everyone knows that Dick is a most appropriate name
> for Mr. Dale, and he's definitely NOT picking up any
> goodwill by talking trash about any other player,
> especially Dusty, who's gotta be one of the absolute
> best drummers on the planet.
>
> Dick has been a self-absorbed, arrogant, egotistical
> individual forever. If I'm not mistaken, it was
> Dick who dubbed himself "King of the Surf Guitar"
> for cryin' out loud! Are you really surprised at
> his recent bad behavior?
>
> Bruce D
>
>
> Jacob Dobner <> wrote:
>
> You speak about artistic integrity and etiquette yet
> you don't seem to
> condemn Dick announcing he can't find a good drummer
> any where in
> front of a drummer he let go, presumably to a
> disagreement. And You
> need to go apeshit on Paul Johnson and Gil(can
> anybody fill me in on
> who he is) of the Duo-tones for doing Pipeline on
> the same bill as the
> Chantays.
>
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--- In , Warren Binder
<captainspringfield@y...> wrote:
> Isn't Gil Orr from The Chantays? That'd make the Duo-Tones playing
"Pipeline" a bit different than Slacktone doing "Misirlou."
Gil was in the Chantays, but not at the time Pipeline was recorded
-Warren,
--If that's your argument, I'm lost.
Isn't Sam still in DD band, and Dusty in it for 4 or 5 years????
Should be ok for them to play it.
Besides, this was a benefit show, supposed to be good times. And
I've been to many all day shows where a song can be played 3 or 4
times.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
In , Warren Binder
<captainspringfield@y...> wrote:
> Isn't Gil Orr from The Chantays? That'd make the Duo-Tones
playing "Pipeline" a bit different than Slacktone doing "Misirlou."
>
> -Warren
>
> Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
>
>
> You speak about artistic integrity and etiquette yet you don't seem
to
> condemn Dick announcing he can't find a good drummer any where in
> front of a drummer he let go, presumably to a disagreement. And You
> need to go apeshit on Paul Johnson and Gil(can anybody fill me in on
> who he is) of the Duo-tones for doing Pipeline on the same bill as
the
> Chantays.
>
> --- In , bruce d wrote:
> >
> > Hey Jeff -
> >
> > I know where you're coming from, and believe me, I know how big a
> Dick Dale can be.
> >
> > I also consider Dave W to be one of the most awesome surf/rock
> guitarists on the scene today, and also deserving of respect and
> admiration!
> >
> > Maybe my sense of artistic etiquette is inordinately well-defined,
> but my feeling was that the Big Dick has already pissed around the
> perimeter of "Misirlou" for enough years and on enough stages that
it
> should be considered his signature song.
> >
> > A--hole or not, in his "Golden Years" (lol!) Dick Dale is still
owed
> a lot by all of us in the Surf Music community. I don't wanna ruffle
> your feathers, but that's how I feel.
> >
> > Best Regards Big Tiki Dude!
> >
> > Bruce D
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , "Jeff" wrote:
> > >
> > > -Bruce,
> > > Chill out alittle but please.
> > > You weren't there.
> > > I said in my original Post that Dave said they weren't going to
> > > play it. But (WE) were all yelling for it. Dusty shrugged his
> > > shoulders and said what the hell, lets give it to them.
> > > Dick wasn't the headliner, he was only going to be playing with
> > > Jimmy, Bus since Sam and Ron were there, and Jimmy can play
drums
> > > there were some full band songs. But about a half hour of it was
> > > just the Dick and Jimmy show(Boreing). The Chantays and the
Surfaris
> > > were after Dick.
> > > And Paul and Gil (The Duo Tones) Did Pipeline, and the Chantays
> > > were there. I'm sure Paul wasn't being disrespectful of the
Chantays.
> > > As a Matter of fact, the only one who was rude the whole day
was Dick.
> > > The way he went on about nover being able to find/have a good
drummer,
> > > who could listen/take directions/play on the 1's. That was a
major
> > > slap inthe face of Dusty, and I believe he just said it to be
an ass,
> > > and is still mad at him for leaving.
> > > I understand what you are saying,and I totally 100% respect
Dick fo
> > > rall his contributions to surf. But today the guy is 100%
asshole
> > > and a bitter and misserable old geezer.
> > > Ron and Dusty didn't leave for no reason, they couldn't put up
with
> > > him anymore.
> > > I could go on and on, but I've had personal e-mail exchanges
with
> > > Dick, and he's not pleasant or respectful to anyone in the surf
> > > comunity.
> > > Jeff(bigtikidude)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- In , bruce d
> > > wrote:
> > > > See, the fact is that Dick Dale is Dick Dale. His
idiosyncracies
> > > are legendary and very well-known. He used to tell venues that
he
> > > would not play if another Instro Surf Band was going on before
him -
> > > He didn't want the audience's attention for his music diluted
in any
> > > way at all.
> > > >
> > > > This has never been a secret, and of all people, Dave W
oughta have
> > > been extremely aware of this. I come back to the issue of
respect.
> > > If I heard Dick Dale playing one of our songs, yes, I'd be
totally
> > > flattered and stoked! But for ME to presume to perform Dick's
#1
> > > SIGNATURE SONG, prior to Dick himself getting on stage - SORRY,
I
> > > find that inexcusably unprofessional and disrepectful. Like I
said,
> > > younger folk just ain't got the same level of artistic ethics
these
> > > days!
> > > >
> > > > Bruce D
> > > >
> > > > Brian Neal wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Wow. I guess we think the opposite Bruce.
> > > > > If another band played one of my tunes, (especially a band
of that
> > > > caliber), I'd be flattered, and then I'd probably jump on
stage with
> > > > them. But that's me.......
> > > > > B-B-O
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, maybe, *given* that this is a special benefit for Jim
Pash,
> > > and
> > > > not a regular gig. So in the spirit of things I can see that.
Still
> > > it
> > > > does seem odd that they would play Misirlou...but man,
wouldn't that
> > > > have been something if DD joined Slacktone on stage? WOW.
> > > >
> > > > However, I wasn't there so I won't judge the mood or the
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Jeff,
I was under the mistaken belief that Gil Orr was in The Chantays when they
wrote/recorded "Pipeline."
I'm not trying to be antagonistic or anything, but at those shows you mention,
were the songs being played three or four times ones that were covered by
everyone, or was the original band one of the ones there?
-Warren
Jeff <> wrote:
-Warren,
--If that's your argument, I'm lost.
Isn't Sam still in DD band, and Dusty in it for 4 or 5 years????
Should be ok for them to play it.
Besides, this was a benefit show, supposed to be good times. And
I've been to many all day shows where a song can be played 3 or 4
times.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
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Sorry for bringing back a dead thread, but I never weighed in while it
was going on. I was definitely in the "disappointed" category of DD
fand since the first time we played with him back in 94. Even though
Pulp Fiction and Miserlou were HUGE at the time, he just included it
in the medley as usaual w/o really giving it the treatment it deserved
and the psuedo heavy-rock trio thing really bummed me out. There
wasn't a surf beat to be had during the whole 2 hours. Of course, I
wanted the Del-Tones sound and it just bummed me out.
Anyway, this morning I was leafing through my Surfin' Guitars by Bob
Dalley and decided to read the DD chapter again. I had forgotten so
much about all the shit he went through, especially the rectal cancer
and surgeries that put him out of commission from 65-71. We all know
that 1971 was a lot different than 1965, but he decided to keep trying
to make it as a musician, which meant adapting to give people what
they wanted. We've all seen the semi-nude pic from the Playgirl Club
gig, etc..and along with his massive ego, this had to be tough for him.
The point I'm getting at is that I'm not so hard on him anymore. After
playing with Dick, Link Wray, the Ventures, and the Wailers, there is
always some level of disappointment compared to what I hold so great
about their original records (though I'd say the Ventures and Wailers
had more moments where I was transported back in time and was hearing
what I wanted to hear). But, for them, they've been making a living
doing this for some 40 years that also happened to be the most
radically changing period in rock n' roll.
Most of us on this list do it as a hobby, it's something we love. We
have the luxury of retro-hindsight and doing what we want, while
they've got a whole infrastructure to support and make their decisons
based on that. After what they've been through, playing through the
decades, it is no wonder they are the way they are and look at us like
spoiled brats when we ask them why they don't play like they did in
the early 60s.
Ted Pilgrim
Ted, you make an excellent point and directly hit on something I was not
consciously thinking of when I threw my postings in a couple of weeks ago.
However, in all fairness to everyone concerned, after coming out of the "Dark
Ages" of the 70's, with the Second and Third Waves starting 25 years ago, DD has
continued to perform his classics in a less original form, which is
frustratingly dissatisfying to his long-term fans.
Is it possible his ego has outgrown his motivation to please the crowd? If so,
he loses a degree of entitlement to claim ownership of songs he no longer
performs as the audiences want him to, IMHO.
Bruce D
spskins <> wrote:
Sorry for bringing back a dead thread, but I never weighed in while it
was going on. I was definitely in the "disappointed" category of DD
fand since the first time we played with him back in 94. Even though
Pulp Fiction and Miserlou were HUGE at the time, he just included it
in the medley as usaual w/o really giving it the treatment it deserved
and the psuedo heavy-rock trio thing really bummed me out. There
wasn't a surf beat to be had during the whole 2 hours. Of course, I
wanted the Del-Tones sound and it just bummed me out.
Anyway, this morning I was leafing through my Surfin' Guitars by Bob
Dalley and decided to read the DD chapter again. I had forgotten so
much about all the shit he went through, especially the rectal cancer
and surgeries that put him out of commission from 65-71. We all know
that 1971 was a lot different than 1965, but he decided to keep trying
to make it as a musician, which meant adapting to give people what
they wanted. We've all seen the semi-nude pic from the Playgirl Club
gig, etc..and along with his massive ego, this had to be tough for him.
The point I'm getting at is that I'm not so hard on him anymore. After
playing with Dick, Link Wray, the Ventures, and the Wailers, there is
always some level of disappointment compared to what I hold so great
about their original records (though I'd say the Ventures and Wailers
had more moments where I was transported back in time and was hearing
what I wanted to hear). But, for them, they've been making a living
doing this for some 40 years that also happened to be the most
radically changing period in rock n' roll.
Most of us on this list do it as a hobby, it's something we love. We
have the luxury of retro-hindsight and doing what we want, while
they've got a whole infrastructure to support and make their decisons
based on that. After what they've been through, playing through the
decades, it is no wonder they are the way they are and look at us like
spoiled brats when we ask them why they don't play like they did in
the early 60s.
Ted Pilgrim
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If crooning his way through "House of the Rising Sun," "Fever" and "Smoke on
the Water" isn't trying to please the crowd, I don't know what is. I hope
that's not ego driving that song selection, but who knows. I'd be happy if
he played Miserlou true to the versions of the Nissan/Dominos/Montain Dew
commercials (ie, the originals). Even those companies want the '62 version,
not a mocked up, current studio cut of the wank version he currently plays
live. But hey, you can't play a Deltones set every night to please the one
or two surf purists in the audeince and expect to book repeat gigs year ater
year at the same reputable clubs, although the hits he made 40+ years ago
(and their subsequent popular resurgence) are the reason he's able to book
shows (and fund his eventual retirement) in the first place. I just hope
his extremely talented son doesn't turn out to be an egotistical dick with
ears. He should have learned from Dusty (during his tenure) that you can be
both extremely talented and a cool dude at the same time.
tfj
----- Original Message -----
From: "bruce d" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: DD Q & A, shit that went down on Sat at Jim
Pash benefit
DD has continued to perform his classics in a less original form, which is
frustratingly dissatisfying to his long-term fans.
>
> Is it possible his ego has outgrown his motivation to please the crowd?
If so, he loses a degree of entitlement to claim ownership of songs he no
longer performs as the audiences want him to, IMHO.
>
> Bruce D
>
>
> spskins <> wrote:
> Sorry for bringing back a dead thread, but I never weighed in while it
> was going on. I was definitely in the "disappointed" category of DD
> fand since the first time we played with him back in 94. Even though
> Pulp Fiction and Miserlou were HUGE at the time, he just included it
> in the medley as usaual w/o really giving it the treatment it deserved
> and the psuedo heavy-rock trio thing really bummed me out. There
> wasn't a surf beat to be had during the whole 2 hours. Of course, I
> wanted the Del-Tones sound and it just bummed me out.
> Anyway, this morning I was leafing through my Surfin' Guitars by Bob
> Dalley and decided to read the DD chapter again. I had forgotten so
> much about all the shit he went through, especially the rectal cancer
> and surgeries that put him out of commission from 65-71. We all know
> that 1971 was a lot different than 1965, but he decided to keep trying
> to make it as a musician, which meant adapting to give people what
> they wanted. We've all seen the semi-nude pic from the Playgirl Club
> gig, etc..and along with his massive ego, this had to be tough for him.
> The point I'm getting at is that I'm not so hard on him anymore. After
> playing with Dick, Link Wray, the Ventures, and the Wailers, there is
> always some level of disappointment compared to what I hold so great
> about their original records (though I'd say the Ventures and Wailers
> had more moments where I was transported back in time and was hearing
> what I wanted to hear). But, for them, they've been making a living
> doing this for some 40 years that also happened to be the most
> radically changing period in rock n' roll.
> Most of us on this list do it as a hobby, it's something we love. We
> have the luxury of retro-hindsight and doing what we want, while
> they've got a whole infrastructure to support and make their decisons
> based on that. After what they've been through, playing through the
> decades, it is no wonder they are the way they are and look at us like
> spoiled brats when we ask them why they don't play like they did in
> the early 60s.
> Ted Pilgrim
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Yeah,
I wasn't really addressing the whole "shit that went down" issue
specifically, just the people like me and most of you that are
disappointed and while he often lives up to his namesake, some of the
events that may be part of who he is. Even so, you probably won't see
me rushing out and buying tickets every time he comes around.
--- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...> wrote:
> Ted, you make an excellent point and directly hit on something I was
not consciously thinking of when I threw my postings in a couple of
weeks ago. However, in all fairness to everyone concerned, after
coming out of the "Dark Ages" of the 70's, with the Second and Third
Waves starting 25 years ago, DD has continued to perform his classics
in a less original form, which is frustratingly dissatisfying to his
long-term fans.
>
> Is it possible his ego has outgrown his motivation to please the
crowd? If so, he loses a degree of entitlement to claim ownership of
songs he no longer performs as the audiences want him to, IMHO.
>
> Bruce D
>
>
> spskins <superchimp9@h...> wrote:
> Sorry for bringing back a dead thread, but I never weighed in while it
> was going on. I was definitely in the "disappointed" category of DD
> fand since the first time we played with him back in 94. Even though
> Pulp Fiction and Miserlou were HUGE at the time, he just included it
> in the medley as usaual w/o really giving it the treatment it deserved
> and the psuedo heavy-rock trio thing really bummed me out. There
> wasn't a surf beat to be had during the whole 2 hours. Of course, I
> wanted the Del-Tones sound and it just bummed me out.
> Anyway, this morning I was leafing through my Surfin' Guitars by Bob
> Dalley and decided to read the DD chapter again. I had forgotten so
> much about all the shit he went through, especially the rectal cancer
> and surgeries that put him out of commission from 65-71. We all know
> that 1971 was a lot different than 1965, but he decided to keep trying
> to make it as a musician, which meant adapting to give people what
> they wanted. We've all seen the semi-nude pic from the Playgirl Club
> gig, etc..and along with his massive ego, this had to be tough for him.
> The point I'm getting at is that I'm not so hard on him anymore. After
> playing with Dick, Link Wray, the Ventures, and the Wailers, there is
> always some level of disappointment compared to what I hold so great
> about their original records (though I'd say the Ventures and Wailers
> had more moments where I was transported back in time and was hearing
> what I wanted to hear). But, for them, they've been making a living
> doing this for some 40 years that also happened to be the most
> radically changing period in rock n' roll.
> Most of us on this list do it as a hobby, it's something we love. We
> have the luxury of retro-hindsight and doing what we want, while
> they've got a whole infrastructure to support and make their decisons
> based on that. After what they've been through, playing through the
> decades, it is no wonder they are the way they are and look at us like
> spoiled brats when we ask them why they don't play like they did in
> the early 60s.
> Ted Pilgrim
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