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Marty Tippens (mctippens) - 18 Apr 2005 21:40:26: That's amazing, Billy! Did Dick actually cower ala tail between the legs? I
expected he would have done his usual macho high-ego stand-at-the-front-of
-the-stage and cheer the crowd on as they cheer him back routine.
-Marty
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Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: DD Q & A, shit that went down on Sat at Jim
Pash benefit
I've seen Dick Dale play live several times. I've seen Slacktone play live
several times. Last Saturday, I saw Dick Dale and Slacktone play live on the
same stage. I saw Dick put his tail between his legs................
Have a nice day.
B-B-O
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> I dunno, I think you're being a little hard on Dick. Didn't he invent the
style that Slacktone plays? To be honest, I've never heard a full song of
their's, only the sound bytes on their site, and it sounds awesome, but if they
were around in the late 50's and early 60's, do you think that they would have
been playing stuff like their version of Miserlou without Dick's influence? 
> 
> As far as leaving the room when Slacktone played Miserlou, the last thing
that a headliner needs to hear before going on is the opening act playing one of
the headliners songs, whether it's a better version or not. I checked out
Slacktone's Miserlou video on their site and apart from the open-string stuff
intro, IMHO it's pretty much Dick's version, not exactly, but close enough. Even
the glissandos seem to be in the same spots as Dick's version. 
> 
> When you take Dick's age into consideration, as well as his huge influence,
I think he's allowed to have an ego and attitude. Anyway, that's my take on it.
I don't personally know Dick or Dave so I can only speculate. 
> Cheers 
> Dan        
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> Jeff <> wrote: 
> 
> -Jacob, 
>   Dick didn't come to any of the LA or San Diego shows for the surf
 
> coasters.   That I know of  he doesn't listen to or go see
any bands 
> play. Usually he  hides in his back stage room or outside in the RV
 
> while the other bands play.  Then he comes in after all his stuff is
 
> ready and plays.  I was really suprised to see him come in halfway 
> thru Slacktones set.   He didn't really seem to notice or look at
 
> them.  Everybody(lots of older people) were running over to  
> hug/shake his hand/and  say hi to him.  So he was pretty tied up
in 
> that to watch. But after a few minutes he went back to the back of 
> the room with his wife, Jimmy and a bunch of Jimmys friends, and sat 
> down at a table.   When we talked Slacktone into doing Miserlou, I
 
> had to see Dicks reaction. So  I   non chalauntly (sp?) 
went walking 
> towards the back of the room.  And Noticed that he wasn't there any
 
> more.  He had to have  ran out the  back door when they
started it. 
> I was near the stage, and he didn't walk passed to go to the restroom. 
> I'd love to ask him face to face about. But I'll just let him be #1 
> in his own mind. 
>    Jeff(bigtikidude) 
> 
> 
> 
> -- In , "Jacob Dobner" 
> <jacobdobner@y...> wrote: 
> > 
> > Thanks for the report. That is one of the greatest testaments to 
> > Slacktone's greatness. The King of the Surf Guitar won't
acknowledge 
> > one of the several actual kings of the surf guitar. Do you know if 
> > Dick came out to see the Surf Coasters? I am bummed that Shigeo
goes 
> > by Prince of the Surf Guitar. He should be Emperor of Surf Guitar. 
> > 
> > Slacktone's Misirlou is amazing. I love the Surf Coasters as well 
> but 
> > I have to give it to Slacktone's current version of the tune. 
> > 
> > I was thinking yesterday about the whole King of the Surf Guitar 
> > title. What we need is a system of government that doesn't have a 
> > single head of state. Or atleast a representative body that could 
> > include all the great players while not making one guy above 
> everyone 
> > else. It could be the Senate of Surf Guitar. 
> > 
> > --- In , "Jeff"
<bigtikidude@y...> 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > > Side Note:  Slacktone  wiped the floor with Dick. 
Dave wasn't 
> going 
> > > to do Miserlou, But we were all  yelling for them to do
it. 
> > > Dick was inthe house while they were playing(I was surprised).
 
> But 
> > > when they started it, he left to go outside while they played
it. 
> > > Tooo funny, that guy is a total asshole. 
> > > as Billy Blast off pointed out,  all the bands but Slacktone
were 
> > > listed on Dicks web site for the event. 
> > > 
> > >  Jeff(bigtikidude) 
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Jacob Dobner (jacobdobner) - 18 Apr 2005 21:45:09: I didn't know that about Dick refusing to play if another intro band
were on the bill. I guess he has conceeded since. I would love to see
him play with the Nebulas.
I find it sad that Dick refuses to be lumped into surf rock. At least
he is still playing his surf stuff for a good cause to raise money
for. (his animal sanctuary thing)
How much money do you think the writers of Misirlou have made over the
year off of the royalties for that song.
--- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...> wrote:
> See, the fact is that Dick Dale is Dick Dale. His idiosyncracies
are legendary and very well-known. He used to tell venues that he
would not play if another Instro Surf Band was going on before him -
He didn't want the audience's attention for his music diluted in any
way at all.
>
> This has never been a secret, and of all people, Dave W oughta have
been extremely aware of this. I come back to the issue of respect.
If I heard Dick Dale playing one of our songs, yes, I'd be totally
flattered and stoked! But for ME to presume to perform Dick's #1
SIGNATURE SONG, prior to Dick himself getting on stage - SORRY, I find
that inexcusably unprofessional and disrepectful. Like I said,
younger folk just ain't got the same level of artistic ethics these days!
>
> Bruce D
>
> Brian Neal <bgneal@g...> wrote:
>
>
> > Wow. I guess we think the opposite Bruce.
> > If another band played one of my tunes, (especially a band of that
> caliber), I'd be flattered, and then I'd probably jump on stage with
> them. But that's me.......
> > B-B-O
>
> Yeah, maybe, *given* that this is a special benefit for Jim Pash, and
> not a regular gig. So in the spirit of things I can see that. Still it
> does seem odd that they would play Misirlou...but man, wouldn't that
> have been something if DD joined Slacktone on stage? WOW.
>
> However, I wasn't there so I won't judge the mood or the situation
> from 1,000 miles away.
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supertwangreverb - 18 Apr 2005 21:49:00: > Dick didn't exactly write Misirlou either. Granted he popularized it
> and his arrangement is the basis for most other arrangements.
>
> Slacktone is considered by many to be in the top echelon of surf
bands
> and do what many consider to be the best version of Misirlou. Like it
> or not that would be what I consider the majorities opinion.
>
Slacktone would NOT be playing Miserlou had it not been for Dick Dale,
sorry, simple as that! I know Dick didn't write it. I've read where
Phil Dirt said Slacktone "owns" Miserlou now. Sorry, but there is
nothing farther from the truth than this statement. The majorities
opinion, Jacob?? I know a lot of surf musicians and fans who wouldn't
want to hear Slacktone's version of Miserlou. I don't think we could
say the majority goes this way or that way on this topic. How about a
poll Brian(just kidding).
Bill
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ipongrac - 18 Apr 2005 23:06:37: --- In , "supertwangreverb"
<supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> Slacktone would NOT be playing Miserlou had it not been for Dick
Dale,
> sorry, simple as that! I know Dick didn't write it. I've read
where
> Phil Dirt said Slacktone "owns" Miserlou now. Sorry, but there is
> nothing farther from the truth than this statement. The majorities
> opinion, Jacob?? I know a lot of surf musicians and fans who
wouldn't
> want to hear Slacktone's version of Miserlou.
This thread is getting a bit out of control, but hell, I can't stay
out of it! Several points:
1) I agree with Marty than Dave and Dusty 'have good heads on their
shoulders', as well as being very kind and respectful human beings -
I can't imagine them doing anything that would intentionally cause
harm or inflict disrespect (though who knows how Dusty and Dick left
off? The fact is that DD is a very difficult person, and it's quite
possible that there's some bad blood between the two of them, though
I doubt it).
2) Slacktone's version of Miserlou is not THAT different from Dick's
original. All the parts and notes are in the same places, and Dave
just throws in a few flashy bits, such as the fast-moving chords -
but those don't really change the song very much. DD's version will
always be the definitive one, no way around that.
3) Having said that, has anyone heard DD play Miserlou the way he
recorded it originally in the last ten years? And what about the
original beat which I think is so important to the song? Has anyone
even heard him play it all the way through in ANY version? With the
bridge? I've seen him some seven or eight times in the last twelve
years, and I have not. He's changed it so much that it does
absolutely nothing for me anymore, and many others that I've talked
with. He obviously doesn't understand where the magic of that song
comes from, and I believe he's ruined it over the last decade. I'd
prefer for him to stop playing it, and let Slacktone and the Surf
Coasters and whoever else do it - they do it much better (but not
better than DD did it in '62).
4) DD's show isn't much of a musical experience - it's a show. You
don't go expecting to hear songs. You go to see him make his silly
faces, hear all 110+ db's of his Strat/reverb/Dual-Showmans, pull up
barely-dressed teenage girls to hold up sheet music so he could play
the same trumpet part he's been playing for 40 years in the middle of
the Wedge, and then feel them up, and listen to him embarass himself
by talking about how he suffers with the indigenous people of Earth,
how his soul cries out over the destruction of the environment, how
he taught Jimi and Stevie everything they knew and their entire
catalog was actually an homage to him cause they thought he was dead,
how he invented the Stratocaster and maybe the motorized airplane
(though he thinks there may have been a couple of brothers around,
too, but it was mostly him), how Deep Purple actually stole Smoke on
the Water from one of his unrecorded riffs and to prove it he'll now
just play the riff for about ten minuts, etc... If Slacktone plays
the entire DD catalog right before his show, it wouldn't make a damn
bit of difference, cause that's not why people come to see DD.
My two cents.
Ivan

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Neal S. (memoryover) - 18 Apr 2005 23:14:48: "pull up barely-dressed teenage girls to hold up sheet music so he could play
the same trumpet part he's been playing for 40 years in the middle of the Wedge"
haha thats great, ive only seen dick twice, and about 10 years ago. but i never
even thought of that that way. but damn, he didnt get no teenage girls when i
saw him.
ipongrac <> wrote:
--- In , "supertwangreverb"
<supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> Slacktone would NOT be playing Miserlou had it not been for Dick
Dale,
> sorry, simple as that! I know Dick didn't write it. I've read
where
> Phil Dirt said Slacktone "owns" Miserlou now. Sorry, but there is
> nothing farther from the truth than this statement. The majorities
> opinion, Jacob?? I know a lot of surf musicians and fans who
wouldn't
> want to hear Slacktone's version of Miserlou.
This thread is getting a bit out of control, but hell, I can't stay
out of it! Several points:
1) I agree with Marty than Dave and Dusty 'have good heads on their
shoulders', as well as being very kind and respectful human beings -
I can't imagine them doing anything that would intentionally cause
harm or inflict disrespect (though who knows how Dusty and Dick left
off? The fact is that DD is a very difficult person, and it's quite
possible that there's some bad blood between the two of them, though
I doubt it).
2) Slacktone's version of Miserlou is not THAT different from Dick's
original. All the parts and notes are in the same places, and Dave
just throws in a few flashy bits, such as the fast-moving chords -
but those don't really change the song very much. DD's version will
always be the definitive one, no way around that.
3) Having said that, has anyone heard DD play Miserlou the way he
recorded it originally in the last ten years? And what about the
original beat which I think is so important to the song? Has anyone
even heard him play it all the way through in ANY version? With the
bridge? I've seen him some seven or eight times in the last twelve
years, and I have not. He's changed it so much that it does
absolutely nothing for me anymore, and many others that I've talked
with. He obviously doesn't understand where the magic of that song
comes from, and I believe he's ruined it over the last decade. I'd
prefer for him to stop playing it, and let Slacktone and the Surf
Coasters and whoever else do it - they do it much better (but not
better than DD did it in '62).
4) DD's show isn't much of a musical experience - it's a show. You
don't go expecting to hear songs. You go to see him make his silly
faces, hear all 110+ db's of his Strat/reverb/Dual-Showmans, pull up
barely-dressed teenage girls to hold up sheet music so he could play
the same trumpet part he's been playing for 40 years in the middle of
the Wedge, and then feel them up, and listen to him embarass himself
by talking about how he suffers with the indigenous people of Earth,
how his soul cries out over the destruction of the environment, how
he taught Jimi and Stevie everything they knew and their entire
catalog was actually an homage to him cause they thought he was dead,
how he invented the Stratocaster and maybe the motorized airplane
(though he thinks there may have been a couple of brothers around,
too, but it was mostly him), how Deep Purple actually stole Smoke on
the Water from one of his unrecorded riffs and to prove it he'll now
just play the riff for about ten minuts, etc... If Slacktone plays
the entire DD catalog right before his show, it wouldn't make a damn
bit of difference, cause that's not why people come to see DD.
My two cents.
Ivan
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Marty Tippens (mctippens) - 19 Apr 2005 01:51:44: As back-handed a complement as we might attempt such as Ivan's # 4 paragraph
below and some of the stuff I've said as well as the outright slams, it's
mistake to exclude the fact that the Dick Dale show is a success to the general
audience. We hardcore surf fans frame the Dick Dale show from a very slanted
perspective, and however close we try to hold him to the light, the general
audiences eat it up.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: ipongrac
To:
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:06 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: DD Q & A, shit that went down on Sat at Jim Pash
benefit
--- In , "supertwangreverb"
<supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> Slacktone would NOT be playing Miserlou had it not been for Dick
Dale,
> sorry, simple as that! I know Dick didn't write it. I've read
where
> Phil Dirt said Slacktone "owns" Miserlou now. Sorry, but there is
> nothing farther from the truth than this statement. The majorities
> opinion, Jacob?? I know a lot of surf musicians and fans who
wouldn't
> want to hear Slacktone's version of Miserlou.
This thread is getting a bit out of control, but hell, I can't stay
out of it! Several points:
1) I agree with Marty than Dave and Dusty 'have good heads on their
shoulders', as well as being very kind and respectful human beings -
I can't imagine them doing anything that would intentionally cause
harm or inflict disrespect (though who knows how Dusty and Dick left
off? The fact is that DD is a very difficult person, and it's quite
possible that there's some bad blood between the two of them, though
I doubt it).
2) Slacktone's version of Miserlou is not THAT different from Dick's
original. All the parts and notes are in the same places, and Dave
just throws in a few flashy bits, such as the fast-moving chords -
but those don't really change the song very much. DD's version will
always be the definitive one, no way around that.
3) Having said that, has anyone heard DD play Miserlou the way he
recorded it originally in the last ten years? And what about the
original beat which I think is so important to the song? Has anyone
even heard him play it all the way through in ANY version? With the
bridge? I've seen him some seven or eight times in the last twelve
years, and I have not. He's changed it so much that it does
absolutely nothing for me anymore, and many others that I've talked
with. He obviously doesn't understand where the magic of that song
comes from, and I believe he's ruined it over the last decade. I'd
prefer for him to stop playing it, and let Slacktone and the Surf
Coasters and whoever else do it - they do it much better (but not
better than DD did it in '62).
4) DD's show isn't much of a musical experience - it's a show. You
don't go expecting to hear songs. You go to see him make his silly
faces, hear all 110+ db's of his Strat/reverb/Dual-Showmans, pull up
barely-dressed teenage girls to hold up sheet music so he could play
the same trumpet part he's been playing for 40 years in the middle of
the Wedge, and then feel them up, and listen to him embarass himself
by talking about how he suffers with the indigenous people of Earth,
how his soul cries out over the destruction of the environment, how
he taught Jimi and Stevie everything they knew and their entire
catalog was actually an homage to him cause they thought he was dead,
how he invented the Stratocaster and maybe the motorized airplane
(though he thinks there may have been a couple of brothers around,
too, but it was mostly him), how Deep Purple actually stole Smoke on
the Water from one of his unrecorded riffs and to prove it he'll now
just play the riff for about ten minuts, etc... If Slacktone plays
the entire DD catalog right before his show, it wouldn't make a damn
bit of difference, cause that's not why people come to see DD.
My two cents.
Ivan
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Kristena Hernandez (freakytiki2001) - 19 Apr 2005 01:59:01: On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 02:45:09 -0000 "Jacob Dobner" <>
writes:
> How much money do you think the writers of Misirlou have made over
> the
> year off of the royalties for that song.
From what I understand, I think it's an old folk song, so I don't think
anyone collects royalties off that one. I've heard that at Greek
festivals and performed by other musicians in other genres. (ex:
Laurindo Almeida)

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Kristena Hernandez (freakytiki2001) - 19 Apr 2005 02:04:56: Yeah, let's just say it would've been good to see Dick perform that 40
years ago, but I rather see Slacktone perform it today. Dave, Dusty,
and Sam prove that arrogance doesn't have to be a byproduct of talent.
-K
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:51:44 -0700 "Marty Tippens"
<> writes:
>
> As back-handed a complement as we might attempt such as Ivan's # 4
> paragraph below and some of the stuff I've said as well as the
> outright slams, it's mistake to exclude the fact that the Dick Dale
> show is a success to the general audience. We hardcore surf fans
> frame the Dick Dale show from a very slanted perspective, and
> however close we try to hold him to the light, the general audiences
> eat it up.
> -Marty
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ipongrac
> To:
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 9:06 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: DD Q & A, shit that went down on Sat
> at Jim Pash benefit
>
>
>
> --- In , "supertwangreverb"
> <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> > Slacktone would NOT be playing Miserlou had it not been for Dick
>
> Dale,
> > sorry, simple as that! I know Dick didn't write it. I've read
>
> where
> > Phil Dirt said Slacktone "owns" Miserlou now. Sorry, but there
> is
> > nothing farther from the truth than this statement. The
> majorities
> > opinion, Jacob?? I know a lot of surf musicians and fans who
> wouldn't
> > want to hear Slacktone's version of Miserlou.
>
> This thread is getting a bit out of control, but hell, I can't
> stay
> out of it! Several points:
>
> 1) I agree with Marty than Dave and Dusty 'have good heads on
> their
> shoulders', as well as being very kind and respectful human beings
> -
> I can't imagine them doing anything that would intentionally cause
>
> harm or inflict disrespect (though who knows how Dusty and Dick
> left
> off? The fact is that DD is a very difficult person, and it's
> quite
> possible that there's some bad blood between the two of them,
> though
> I doubt it).
>
> 2) Slacktone's version of Miserlou is not THAT different from
> Dick's
> original. All the parts and notes are in the same places, and
> Dave
> just throws in a few flashy bits, such as the fast-moving chords -
>
> but those don't really change the song very much. DD's version
> will
> always be the definitive one, no way around that.
>
> 3) Having said that, has anyone heard DD play Miserlou the way he
>
> recorded it originally in the last ten years? And what about the
>
> original beat which I think is so important to the song? Has
> anyone
> even heard him play it all the way through in ANY version? With
> the
> bridge? I've seen him some seven or eight times in the last
> twelve
> years, and I have not. He's changed it so much that it does
> absolutely nothing for me anymore, and many others that I've
> talked
> with. He obviously doesn't understand where the magic of that
> song
> comes from, and I believe he's ruined it over the last decade.
> I'd
> prefer for him to stop playing it, and let Slacktone and the Surf
>
> Coasters and whoever else do it - they do it much better (but not
>
> better than DD did it in '62).
>
> 4) DD's show isn't much of a musical experience - it's a show.
> You
> don't go expecting to hear songs. You go to see him make his
> silly
> faces, hear all 110+ db's of his Strat/reverb/Dual-Showmans, pull
> up
> barely-dressed teenage girls to hold up sheet music so he could
> play
> the same trumpet part he's been playing for 40 years in the middle
> of
> the Wedge, and then feel them up, and listen to him embarass
> himself
> by talking about how he suffers with the indigenous people of
> Earth,
> how his soul cries out over the destruction of the environment,
> how
> he taught Jimi and Stevie everything they knew and their entire
> catalog was actually an homage to him cause they thought he was
> dead,
> how he invented the Stratocaster and maybe the motorized airplane
>
> (though he thinks there may have been a couple of brothers around,
>
> too, but it was mostly him), how Deep Purple actually stole Smoke
> on
> the Water from one of his unrecorded riffs and to prove it he'll
> now
> just play the riff for about ten minuts, etc... If Slacktone
> plays
> the entire DD catalog right before his show, it wouldn't make a
> damn
> bit of difference, cause that's not why people come to see DD.
>
> My two cents.
> Ivan
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Marty Tippens (mctippens) - 19 Apr 2005 02:08:25: I'm certainly with Billy in that I'd also be flattered to hear any band do one
of my tunes, but then I'm not a "Mr. Big" so I'd probably pay someone to do
that! There is something that wouldn't seem right about Steve and Edie snaking
"New York, New York" when warming up for Francis Albert Sinatra or Mac Davis
doing "Moon River" when he warms up for Andy Williams. I mean those are the show
stopping numbers that belong to the big stars.
-Marty
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> If Longboard Ranch was opening for DD, we would absolutely NOT play
a DD song in our set! That would be totally T-A-C-K-Y IMHO. And, if
I were DD, I'd have walked out also!
>
Wow. I guess we think the opposite Bruce.
If another band played one of my tunes, (especially a band of that caliber),
I'd be flattered, and then I'd probably jump on stage with them. But that's
me.......
B-B-O
---- Jacob Dobner <> wrote:
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> Except the fans demanded Slacktone play Misirlou because they enjoy it 
> so much more than Dick Dale's version. 
> 
> --- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...>
wrote: 
> > Hear Hear Dan! 
> >  
> > Nothing against Dave Wronski as a guitarist, but one has to wonder 
> at the "class" and judgment of stepping on DD's toes, playing
DD's 
> most famous signature song, when DD is following Slacktone! 
> >  
> > If Longboard Ranch was opening for DD, we would absolutely NOT play 
> a DD song in our set!  That would be totally T-A-C-K-Y IMHO.  And,
if 
> I were DD, I'd have walked out also! 
> >  
> > Bruce D 
> > 
> > Dan Bartley <bigtwangguy@y...> wrote: 
> > I dunno, I think you're being a little hard on Dick. Didn't he 
> invent the style that Slacktone plays? To be honest, I've never heard 
> a full song of their's, only the sound bytes on their site, and it 
> sounds awesome, but if they were around in the late 50's and early 
> 60's, do you think that they would have been playing stuff like their 
> version of Miserlou without Dick's influence? 
> > 
> > As far as leaving the room when Slacktone played Miserlou, the last 
> thing that a headliner needs to hear before going on is the opening 
> act playing one of the headliners songs, whether it's a better version 
> or not. I checked out Slacktone's Miserlou video on their site and 
> apart from the open-string stuff intro, IMHO it's pretty much Dick's 
> version, not exactly, but close enough. Even the glissandos seem to be 
> in the same spots as Dick's version. 
> > 
> > When you take Dick's age into consideration, as well as his huge 
> influence, I think he's allowed to have an ego and attitude. Anyway, 
> that's my take on it. I don't personally know Dick or Dave so I can 
> only speculate. 
> > Cheers 
> > Dan        
> > 
> > Jeff <bigtikidude@y...> wrote: 
> > 
> > -Jacob, 
> >   Dick didn't come to any of the LA or San Diego shows for
the surf 
> > coasters.   That I know of  he doesn't listen to or go
see any bands 
> > play. Usually he  hides in his back stage room or outside in the
RV 
> > while the other bands play.  Then he comes in after all his stuff
is 
> > ready and plays.  I was really suprised to see him come in halfway
 
> > thru Slacktones set.   He didn't really seem to notice or
look at 
> > them.  Everybody(lots of older people) were running over to 
 
> > hug/shake his hand/and  say hi to him.  So he was pretty tied
up in 
> > that to watch. But after a few minutes he went back to the back of 
> > the room with his wife, Jimmy and a bunch of Jimmys friends, and sat
 
> > down at a table.   When we talked Slacktone into doing
Miserlou, I 
> > had to see Dicks reaction. So  I   non chalauntly
(sp?)  went walking 
> > towards the back of the room.  And Noticed that he wasn't there
any 
> > more.  He had to have  ran out the  back door when they
started it. 
> > I was near the stage, and he didn't walk passed to go to the
restroom. 
> > I'd love to ask him face to face about. But I'll just let him be #1
 
> > in his own mind. 
> >    Jeff(bigtikidude) 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- In , "Jacob Dobner" 
> > <jacobdobner@y...> wrote: 
> > > 
> > &gt%3B Thanks for the report. That is one of the greatest
testaments to 
> > > Slacktone's greatness. The King of the Surf Guitar won't
acknowledge 
> > > one of the several actual kings of the surf guitar. Do you know
if 
> > > Dick came out to see the Surf Coasters? I am bummed that Shigeo
goes 
> > > by Prince of the Surf Guitar. He should be Emperor of Surf
Guitar. 
> > > 
> > > Slacktone's Misirlou is amazing. I love the Surf Coasters as well
 
> > but 
> > > I have to give it to Slacktone's current version of the tune. 
> > > 
> > > I was thinking yesterday about the whole King of the Surf
Guitar 
> > > title. What we need is a system of government that doesn't have
a 
> > > single head of state. Or atleast a representative body that
could 
> > > include all the great players while not making one guy above 
> > everyone 
> > > else. It could be the Senate of Surf Guitar. 
> > > 
> > > --- In , "Jeff"
<bigtikidude@y...> 
> > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > Side Note:  Slacktone  wiped the floor with
Dick.  Dave wasn't 
> > going 
> > > > to do Miserlou, But we were all  yelling for them to do
it. 
> > > > Dick was inthe house while they were playing(I was
surprised). 
> > But 
> > > > when they started it, he left to go outside while they played
it. 
> > > > Tooo funny, that guy is a total asshole. 
> > > > as Billy Blast off pointed out,  all the bands but
Slacktone were 
> > > > listed on Dicks web site for the event. 
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Marty Tippens (mctippens) - 19 Apr 2005 02:22:36: Hey Jacob, I'm glad that you could care less if DD invented surf. If you could
NOT care less, then we'd have some trouble. It's not just the DD was first BUT
that DD did it so well that he deserves his god status. I mean come on, that 40
year old recording of Miserlou was still awesome in 1994 as the opening theme to
Pulp Fiction, it's hard to think of title theme as effective before or since.
Sure Dick's ego is over the top. So is Little Richard's. And I hear that Chuck
Berry is a real d*ck. We can point to the technically better musicians with
nicer attitudes that have followed, but these guys, DD, LR and CB are the
originals and belong on Mt. Rockmore.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Jacob Dobner
To:
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 6:00 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: DD Q & A, shit that went down on Sat at Jim Pash
benefit
I could care less if Dick Dale invented surf. I like his earlier stuff
but just because he was the first is no reason to elevate him to god
status. Slacktone is quite different from Dick Dale. Sure they
wouldn't sound the same without Dick but they don't rip stuff off of
Dick. Slacktone's version of Misirlou is quite different. Note all the
extra chords dave throws in. Play Dick's version back to back with theirs.
Dick's ego and attitude come from the wrong place in this case.
--- In , Dan Bartley <bigtwangguy@y...>
wrote:
> I dunno, I think you're being a little hard on Dick. Didn't he
invent the style that Slacktone plays? To be honest, I've never heard
a full song of their's, only the sound bytes on their site, and it
sounds awesome, but if they were around in the late 50's and early
60's, do you think that they would have been playing stuff like their
version of Miserlou without Dick's influence?
>
> As far as leaving the room when Slacktone played Miserlou, the last
thing that a headliner needs to hear before going on is the opening
act playing one of the headliners songs, whether it's a better version
or not. I checked out Slacktone's Miserlou video on their site and
apart from the open-string stuff intro, IMHO it's pretty much Dick's
version, not exactly, but close enough. Even the glissandos seem to be
in the same spots as Dick's version.
>
> When you take Dick's age into consideration, as well as his huge
influence, I think he's allowed to have an ego and attitude. Anyway,
that's my take on it. I don't personally know Dick or Dave so I can
only speculate.
> Cheers
> Dan
>
> Jeff <bigtikidude@y...> wrote:
>
> -Jacob,
> Dick didn't come to any of the LA or San Diego shows for the surf
> coasters. That I know of he doesn't listen to or go see any bands
> play. Usually he hides in his back stage room or outside in the RV
> while the other bands play. Then he comes in after all his stuff is
> ready and plays. I was really suprised to see him come in halfway
> thru Slacktones set. He didn't really seem to notice or look at
> them. Everybody(lots of older people) were running over to
> hug/shake his hand/and say hi to him. So he was pretty tied up in
> that to watch. But after a few minutes he went back to the back of
> the room with his wife, Jimmy and a bunch of Jimmys friends, and sat
> down at a table. When we talked Slacktone into doing Miserlou, I
> had to see Dicks reaction. So I non chalauntly (sp?) went walking
> towards the back of the room. And Noticed that he wasn't there any
> more. He had to have ran out the back door when they started it.
> I was near the stage, and he didn't walk passed to go to the restroom.
> I'd love to ask him face to face about. But I'll just let him be #1
> in his own mind.
> Jeff(bigtikidude)
>
>
>
> -- In , "Jacob Dobner"
> <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the report. That is one of the greatest testaments to
> > Slacktone's greatness. The King of the Surf Guitar won't acknowledge
> > one of the several actual kings of the surf guitar. Do you know if
> > Dick came out to see the Surf Coasters? I am bummed that Shigeo goes
> > by Prince of the Surf Guitar. He should be Emperor of Surf Guitar.
> >
> > Slacktone's Misirlou is amazing. I love the Surf Coasters as well
> but
> > I have to give it to Slacktone's current version of the tune.
> >
> > I was thinking yesterday about the whole King of the Surf Guitar
> > title. What we need is a system of government that doesn't have a
> > single head of state. Or atleast a representative body that could
> > include all the great players while not making one guy above
> everyone
> > else. It could be the Senate of Surf Guitar.
> >
> > --- In , "Jeff" <bigtikidude@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Side Note: Slacktone wiped the floor with Dick. Dave wasn't
> going
> > > to do Miserlou, But we were all yelling for them to do it.
> > > Dick was inthe house while they were playing(I was surprised).
> But
> > > when they started it, he left to go outside while they played it.
> > > Tooo funny, that guy is a total asshole.
> > > as Billy Blast off pointed out, all the bands but Slacktone were
> > > listed on Dicks web site for the event.
> > >
> > > Jeff(bigtikidude)
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Jeff Riedle (stretchriedle) - 19 Apr 2005 02:24:42: Normally I would agree, it's not cool to do a song that the headlining band
is known for.
But, since Dick Dale did not write "Misirlou", only adapted it, I see this
as a grey area.
I've seen 3-band surf shows where each band played the same cover tune.
Didn't bother me at the time, in fact it was nice to hear 3 different
interpretations of the same tune.
Stretch

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Shawn Martin (drumuitar) - 19 Apr 2005 06:52:27: --- In , Jeff Riedle <stretch@c...> wrote:
> Normally I would agree, it's not cool to do a song that the
headlining band
> is known for.
> But, since Dick Dale did not write "Misirlou", only adapted it, I
see this
> as a grey area.
>
> I've seen 3-band surf shows where each band played the same cover tune.
> Didn't bother me at the time, in fact it was nice to hear 3 different
> interpretations of the same tune.
Johnny Barakat played The Wedge when he opened for DD back in the
early 60s and he totally shredded, and I'm sure Dick was totally
pissed (and Barakat was 16 or 17 at the time). Although some people
think that Ivan went over the top, I agree with him. Dick is a parody
of himself. As far as I'm concerned, he hasn't done anything since
around 64-5. Like a lot of people have said, Carl Perkins opened the
door and got trampled over after his car accident. Dick may have
opened the door, but he hasn't done anything of real substance for 40
years.

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ipongrac - 19 Apr 2005 08:19:36: --- In , "Marty Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
wrote:
> As back-handed a complement as we might attempt such as Ivan's # 4
> paragraph below and some of the stuff I've said as well as the
> outright slams, it's mistake to exclude the fact that the Dick Dale
> show is a success to the general audience. We hardcore surf fans
> frame the Dick Dale show from a very slanted perspective, and
> however close we try to hold him to the light, the general audiences
> eat it up.
Marty, my paragraph #4 was neither intended to be a compliment nor to
be backhanded. I really thought of it as a statement of fact. And I
agree with you that the show works for the audiences, which is what I
tried to imply, so more power to Dick. I've long ago come to accept
that it's never going to be what I would like it to be and in fact if
you read my review on SG101 of a Dick show I saw in May, I was very
complimentary of the whole experience. Not cause Dick was his sixties
self, but cause I got a bit more than I expected. And I expected
basically a circus - and one does not complain about all the silly
looking, silly acting, annoying clowns and monkeys at a circus,
right? (I went to see him again last year cause my bandmates had
never seen him, and to get together with Dusty.) So, I think you
misunderstood and mischaracterized my point, which was, once again,
that it really doesn't matter if Slacktone was to play the entire DD
catalog opening for him, cause people don't go to his shows to hear
his songs (and that's good, cause they'll only get snippets) - they go
for the whole damn show. That's all I was saying..
And BTW, lest the Dick-faithful skewer me, I'll happily admit that
he's one of my two or three major musical influences. I love the guy,
I totally appreciate his historical place, I totally accept that he
wrote the book, and I LOVE, LOVE many of his recordings. Which is why
I wasn't trying to criticize him, but rather simply state what his
show consists of. I think all who have seen him over the last 15
years will knowingly nod their heads. A big part of the show is
observing his outsized ego, and chuckling to oneself - or maybe being
highly impressed - either way. And no other surf band could even
TOUCH him when it comes to that!
Ivan

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mono_tones_1 - 19 Apr 2005 08:58:01: DD deserves credit for what he did for surf music, period. this yahoo
group, hence this debate, would not even exist if it weren't for DD.
I went to see him two years ago and payed a lot of money. I thought
as a show it was an awesome show (i 4-1 like the circus!), as a music
show it was so so, and as a surf music show it sucked. Nonetheless, I
am very glad I went, I saw a monument. If he drops dead or retires in
a couple of years, those who didn't go even once will regret it. For
the very same reason I went to see the Stones in '91 (go figure!),
and recently Randy Newman, and some other old locals from Holland.
And one thing, surf is as much about 'getting the tone', as it is
about playing. And in that department, I'd still rather hear dick
playing Miserlou, then either the Surf Coasters or Slacktone. You've
gotto admit that dick still has awesome tone. Still, if Slacktone (or
any other great now band) returns to the area, I'd definetly go
again, but not so with dick dale, not for that money anyway.
BTW,in the same period I saw Brian Setzer with the '69 special
(3piece line up, no orchestra) and it was a HUGE dispointment.
beginning to end ultra fast look-at-me licks, but very undynamic,
boring and bored playing. no show element whatsoever. It got me
thinking DD at least enjoys himself while playing. If you don't enjoy
watching him play - don't go.
WR

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Marty Tippens (mctippens) - 19 Apr 2005 11:31:37: Ok, Ivan, you did say it was a show and I do know your positive intent. I
actually do like the music even if he breaks it up with the "Dick Dale"
shenanigans.
-Marty
4) DD's show isn't much of a musical experience - it's a show. You
don't go expecting to hear songs. You go to see him make his silly
faces, hear all 110+ db's of his Strat/reverb/Dual-Showmans, pull up
barely-dressed teenage girls to hold up sheet music so he could play
the same trumpet part he's been playing for 40 years in the middle of
the Wedge, and then feel them up, and listen to him embarass himself
by talking about how he suffers with the indigenous people of Earth...
----- Original Message -----
From: ipongrac
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 6:19 AM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: DD Q & A, shit that went down on Sat at Jim Pash
benefit
--- In , "Marty Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
wrote:
> As back-handed a complement as we might attempt such as Ivan's # 4
> paragraph below and some of the stuff I've said as well as the
> outright slams, it's mistake to exclude the fact that the Dick Dale
> show is a success to the general audience. We hardcore surf fans
> frame the Dick Dale show from a very slanted perspective, and
> however close we try to hold him to the light, the general audiences
> eat it up.
Marty, my paragraph #4 was neither intended to be a compliment nor to
be backhanded. I really thought of it as a statement of fact. And I
agree with you that the show works for the audiences, which is what I
tried to imply, so more power to Dick. I've long ago come to accept
that it's never going to be what I would like it to be and in fact if
you read my review on SG101 of a Dick show I saw in May, I was very
complimentary of the whole experience. Not cause Dick was his sixties
self, but cause I got a bit more than I expected. And I expected
basically a circus - and one does not complain about all the silly
looking, silly acting, annoying clowns and monkeys at a circus,
right? (I went to see him again last year cause my bandmates had
never seen him, and to get together with Dusty.) So, I think you
misunderstood and mischaracterized my point, which was, once again,
that it really doesn't matter if Slacktone was to play the entire DD
catalog opening for him, cause people don't go to his shows to hear
his songs (and that's good, cause they'll only get snippets) - they go
for the whole damn show. That's all I was saying..
And BTW, lest the Dick-faithful skewer me, I'll happily admit that
he's one of my two or three major musical influences. I love the guy,
I totally appreciate his historical place, I totally accept that he
wrote the book, and I LOVE, LOVE many of his recordings. Which is why
I wasn't trying to criticize him, but rather simply state what his
show consists of. I think all who have seen him over the last 15
years will knowingly nod their heads. A big part of the show is
observing his outsized ego, and chuckling to oneself - or maybe being
highly impressed - either way. And no other surf band could even
TOUCH him when it comes to that!
Ivan
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Marty Tippens (mctippens) - 19 Apr 2005 11:34:46: Sure Dick hasn't done anything of real substance in the last 40 years but
"opening that door" as you say is substance enough for eternal respect.
-Marty
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Jacob Dobner (jacobdobner) - 19 Apr 2005 11:44:46: It always has names on it when it is credited.
--- In , Kristena Hernandez
<tikimania@j...> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 02:45:09 -0000 "Jacob Dobner" <jacobdobner@y...>
> writes:
> > How much money do you think the writers of Misirlou have made over
> > the
> > year off of the royalties for that song.
>
>
> From what I understand, I think it's an old folk song, so I don't think
> anyone collects royalties off that one. I've heard that at Greek
> festivals and performed by other musicians in other genres. (ex:
> Laurindo Almeida)

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Jacob Dobner (jacobdobner) - 19 Apr 2005 11:46:19: I truly enjoy the guy's music. I think a lot of people get the
impression that I don't like him. That isn't true.
--- In , "Marty Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
wrote:
> Hey Jacob, I'm glad that you could care less if DD invented surf. If
you could NOT care less, then we'd have some trouble. It's not just
the DD was first BUT that DD did it so well that he deserves his god
status. I mean come on, that 40 year old recording of Miserlou was
still awesome in 1994 as the opening theme to Pulp Fiction, it's hard
to think of title theme as effective before or since. Sure Dick's ego
is over the top. So is Little Richard's. And I hear that Chuck Berry
is a real d*ck. We can point to the technically better musicians with
nicer attitudes that have followed, but these guys, DD, LR and CB are
the originals and belong on Mt. Rockmore.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jacob Dobner
> To:
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 6:00 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: DD Q & A, shit that went down on Sat
at Jim Pash benefit
>
>
>
> I could care less if Dick Dale invented surf. I like his earlier stuff
> but just because he was the first is no reason to elevate him to god
> status. Slacktone is quite different from Dick Dale. Sure they
> wouldn't sound the same without Dick but they don't rip stuff off of
> Dick. Slacktone's version of Misirlou is quite different. Note all the
> extra chords dave throws in. Play Dick's version back to back with
theirs.
>
> Dick's ego and attitude come from the wrong place in this case.
>
> --- In , Dan Bartley <bigtwangguy@y...>
> wrote:
> > I dunno, I think you're being a little hard on Dick. Didn't he
> invent the style that Slacktone plays? To be honest, I've never heard
> a full song of their's, only the sound bytes on their site, and it
> sounds awesome, but if they were around in the late 50's and early
> 60's, do you think that they would have been playing stuff like their
> version of Miserlou without Dick's influence?
> >
> > As far as leaving the room when Slacktone played Miserlou, the last
> thing that a headliner needs to hear before going on is the opening
> act playing one of the headliners songs, whether it's a better version
> or not. I checked out Slacktone's Miserlou video on their site and
> apart from the open-string stuff intro, IMHO it's pretty much Dick's
> version, not exactly, but close enough. Even the glissandos seem to be
> in the same spots as Dick's version.
> >
> > When you take Dick's age into consideration, as well as his huge
> influence, I think he's allowed to have an ego and attitude. Anyway,
> that's my take on it. I don't personally know Dick or Dave so I can
> only speculate.
> > Cheers
> > Dan
> >
> > Jeff <bigtikidude@y...> wrote:
> >
> > -Jacob,
> > Dick didn't come to any of the LA or San Diego shows for the surf
> > coasters. That I know of he doesn't listen to or go see any
bands
> > play. Usually he hides in his back stage room or outside in the RV
> > while the other bands play. Then he comes in after all his
stuff is
> > ready and plays. I was really suprised to see him come in halfway
> > thru Slacktones set. He didn't really seem to notice or look at
> > them. Everybody(lots of older people) were running over to
> > hug/shake his hand/and say hi to him. So he was pretty tied up in
> > that to watch. But after a few minutes he went back to the back of
> > the room with his wife, Jimmy and a bunch of Jimmys friends, and
sat
> > down at a table. When we talked Slacktone into doing Miserlou, I
> > had to see Dicks reaction. So I non chalauntly (sp?) went
walking
> > towards the back of the room. And Noticed that he wasn't there any
> > more. He had to have ran out the back door when they started it.
> > I was near the stage, and he didn't walk passed to go to the
restroom.
> > I'd love to ask him face to face about. But I'll just let him be #1
> > in his own mind.
> > Jeff(bigtikidude)
> >
> >
> >
> > -- In , "Jacob Dobner"
> > <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the report. That is one of the greatest testaments to
> > > Slacktone's greatness. The King of the Surf Guitar won't
acknowledge
> > > one of the several actual kings of the surf guitar. Do you know if
> > > Dick came out to see the Surf Coasters? I am bummed that
Shigeo goes
> > > by Prince of the Surf Guitar. He should be Emperor of Surf Guitar.
> > >
> > > Slacktone's Misirlou is amazing. I love the Surf Coasters as well
> > but
> > > I have to give it to Slacktone's current version of the tune.
> > >
> > > I was thinking yesterday about the whole King of the Surf Guitar
> > > title. What we need is a system of government that doesn't have a
> > > single head of state. Or atleast a representative body that could
> > > include all the great players while not making one guy above
> > everyone
> > > else. It could be the Senate of Surf Guitar.
> > >
> > > --- In , "Jeff" <bigtikidude@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Side Note: Slacktone wiped the floor with Dick. Dave wasn't
> > going
> > > > to do Miserlou, But we were all yelling for them to do it.
> > > > Dick was inthe house while they were playing(I was surprised).
> > But
> > > > when they started it, he left to go outside while they
played it.
> > > > Tooo funny, that guy is a total asshole.
> > > > as Billy Blast off pointed out, all the bands but Slacktone
were
> > > > listed on Dicks web site for the event.
> > > >
> > > > Jeff(bigtikidude)
> >
> >
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bruce d (wizzbangg2003) - 19 Apr 2005 11:51:55: The Ventures likewise, didn't write "Walk Don't Run", only adapted it! So,
y'all think it'd be cool to play "Walk Don't Run" at an event where you knew The
Ventures would be playing after your band?
Bruce D
Shawn Martin <> wrote:
--- In , Jeff Riedle <stretch@c...> wrote:
> Normally I would agree, it's not cool to do a song that the
headlining band
> is known for.
> But, since Dick Dale did not write "Misirlou", only adapted it, I
see this
> as a grey area.
>
> I've seen 3-band surf shows where each band played the same cover tune.
> Didn't bother me at the time, in fact it was nice to hear 3 different
> interpretations of the same tune.
Johnny Barakat played The Wedge when he opened for DD back in the
early 60s and he totally shredded, and I'm sure Dick was totally
pissed (and Barakat was 16 or 17 at the time). Although some people
think that Ivan went over the top, I agree with him. Dick is a parody
of himself. As far as I'm concerned, he hasn't done anything since
around 64-5. Like a lot of people have said, Carl Perkins opened the
door and got trampled over after his car accident. Dick may have
opened the door, but he hasn't done anything of real substance for 40
years.
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halibutrick - 19 Apr 2005 12:17:09: That reminds me of a Ventures story. The Halibuts were opening for
them at teh Palomino in LA. They asked to see our setlist and crossed
out about 5 songs they didn't want us to play. And, of course, they
didn't play any of those songs.
But on that same night, Don Wilson did something I'll never forget.
After our set, as we were tearing down and they were setting up, the
manager of the club wasn't going to let us leave our stuff anywhere in
the club - not even the dressing rooms (I have no idea why. He was
really being a jerk). I was driving an open back truck so I had
nowhere to put the gear and of course wanted to stay to see the
Ventures. Don saw my pleading with the mgr and came up to find out
what the problem was. He grabbed one of his road crew guys, told the
mgr to open up the side door, had them back this big equipment truck
to the door. Told me to put the gear in the truck, they'll lock it up,
and grab one of the road guys when I needed to get to it.
Very cool.
Rick
Halibuts/Deoras
--- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...> wrote:
> The Ventures likewise, didn't write "Walk Don't Run", only adapted
it! So, y'all think it'd be cool to play "Walk Don't Run" at an event
where you knew The Ventures would be playing after your band?
>
> Bruce D
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