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crumble Joined: Sep 09, 2008 Posts: 3158 Guildford England	Posted on Feb 10 2018 01:52 PM Mind over matter. I don't mind and he doesn't matter! Top
JObeast Joined: Jul 24, 2012 Posts: 2762 Finknabad, Squinkistan	Posted on Feb 10 2018 10:01 PM IvanP wrote: The music started by a guy whose dad was Lebanese and mother Polish, and who grew up in Massachusetts. Really California to the bone! I thought Mr. Mansour’s mom was Belorussian. I guess the nativist sentiment has its appeal among some surf fans. But doesn’t the visa regime also already reflect the same ideal, ‘protecting’ American musicians from competition from abroad? I heard Messer Chups had to pretty much pretend they were tourists when they came here a couple years ago for their debut tour. To my ears, American bands have a different take on surf/instro, proffering less traditionalist, darker and heavier sounds while European bands (Messer C. the notable exception) generally go for lighter, more tunefully ‘holiday’ sounds. I really don’t see any competition in terms of market saturation yet - rather the confluence of native and foreign bands might stimulate a broader market appeal among fans stateside. The sex appeal of a band like Messer C. certainly does bring younger more gender mixed crowds. Female fans deserve to see attractive role models among surf musicians, if we want to encourage them. — Squink Out! Last edited: Feb 10, 2018 22:02:20 Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Feb 10 2018 10:11 PM Very few surf bands are going to get visas to tour the US. Mostly, they wouldn't be granted them. But they aren't taking work from American bands. Because it isn't work. Nobody is making money that could remotely be considered livable. If anything, American bands are getting gigs because shows are being organized around International bands. We've had the fortune of gigging with foreign bands on several occasions and I can tell you 100% that those shows absolutely never would have existed if it weren't around those bands visiting. If we gigged, we would have been offered something with a non-surf act. American Bands = Surf Beat 90% of the time European Bands = Not Surf Beat 90% of the time. (All numbers completely made up solely to demonstrate the perceived difference) Top
bigtikidude Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 25703 Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.	Posted on Feb 10 2018 11:45 PM Messer Chups got work visas for both tours boys. — Jeff(bigtikidude) Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Feb 11 2018 12:23 AM bigtikidude wrote: Messer Chups got work visas for both tours boys. And created gigs for many surf bands! Top
bigtikidude Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 25703 Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.	Posted on Feb 11 2018 01:34 AM The first tour, I asked many bands to book shows, and to host messer chups And provide drums and Amps for them. — Jeff(bigtikidude) Top
Chippertheripper Joined: Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 819 Semass	Posted on Feb 11 2018 05:43 AM The views expressed in that quote in the OP ave no place in society nor across any genre of music. It’s disgusting. Last edited: Feb 11, 2018 06:11:55 Top
Surf_Skater Joined: Sep 06, 2012 Posts: 1300 Lawrenceville , GA	Posted on Feb 11 2018 07:16 AM The thing I love most about Surf and instrumental music is that there are no no language barriers. No matter who you are or where you come from we can come together through music. I've been a huge music fan all my life and I've been able to discover great music of all genres from around the world. This was not an easy task before the internet. So I invite all surf bands from the US and around the world to come play Atlanta. We'd love to see you play! Top
Clarry Joined: Oct 01, 2014 Posts: 519 Streatham, London	Posted on Feb 11 2018 08:04 AM What a bizarre thing for the OP to say. I agree with Surf Skater. Only last night I was explaining the no language barrier thing to friends. Top
djangodeadman Joined: Jan 25, 2007 Posts: 1568 Brighton UK	Posted on Feb 11 2018 08:29 AM Clarry wrote: What a bizarre thing for the OP to say. I agree with Surf Skater. Only last night I was explaining the no language barrier thing to friends. Ah, but could they understand what you were saying, Clarry? — Los Fantasticos Top
Clarry Joined: Oct 01, 2014 Posts: 519 Streatham, London	Posted on Feb 11 2018 09:44 AM djangodeadman wrote: Clarry wrote: What a bizarre thing for the OP to say. I agree with Surf Skater. Only last night I was explaining the no language barrier thing to friends. Ah, but could they understand what you were saying, Clarry? I think so. Although we started watching Boney M live in Poland... Top
bigtikidude Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 25703 Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.	Posted on Feb 11 2018 12:01 PM One of the great things about The Surfer Joe festival is the people from all over the world all meeting to play or just watch amazing bands. Luckily English is an international language and I was able to talk to many people. But if you happen to be standing next to somebody that didn't speak English while you were watching a particular great performance you can turn and give a drink cheers or a high five, and a smile and all is understood. — Jeff(bigtikidude) Top
JObeast Joined: Jul 24, 2012 Posts: 2762 Finknabad, Squinkistan	Posted on Feb 11 2018 06:40 PM Chippertheripper wrote: The views expressed in that quote in the OP ave no place in society nor across any genre of music. It’s disgusting. An appalling excrudescence of bigoted nativism, you say? But it’s all the rage these days in flyoverland, doncha know. And where might you live? Let me guess - on the coast? — Squink Out! Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Feb 11 2018 07:05 PM JObeast wrote: An appalling excrudescence of bigoted nativism, you say? But it’s all the rage these days in flyoverland, doncha know. We should have a military parade scheduled for SG101 Convention weekend, just to remind the foreign surf bands who surfs best. (We shouldn't) Top
JObeast Joined: Jul 24, 2012 Posts: 2762 Finknabad, Squinkistan	Posted on Feb 11 2018 07:50 PM Huzzah and OO-AH! Rally ‘round the flag,boys! — Squink Out! Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Feb 11 2018 08:34 PM I rally around the Jag. Top
Chippertheripper Joined: Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 819 Semass	Posted on Feb 11 2018 09:05 PM JObeast wrote: Chippertheripper wrote: The views expressed in that quote in the OP ave no place in society nor across any genre of music. It’s disgusting. An appalling excrudescence of bigoted nativism, you say? But it’s all the rage these days in flyoverland, doncha know. And where might you live? Let me guess - on the coast? I’m a friendly neighbor to squinkistan. Top
PolloGuitar Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 5126 San Francisco	Posted on Feb 11 2018 10:01 PM Jeff, this is really nicely stated! bigtikidude wrote: One of the great things about The Surfer Joe festival is the people from all over the world all meeting to play or just watch amazing bands. Luckily English is an international language and I was able to talk to many people. But if you happen to be standing next to somebody that didn't speak English while you were watching a particular great performance you can turn and give a drink cheers or a high five, and a smile and all is understood. — Buy Endless Drummer @ Bandcamp Frankie and the Pool Boys website Buy Speed of Dark @ Bandcamp Pollo Del Mar website My Blog- Euro Tour Blog Pool Boys on Spotify INSTAGRAM Frankie & The Pool Boys on Facebook Pollo Del Mar on Facebook DJ Frankie Pool Boy on North Sea Surf Radio Top
JObeast Joined: Jul 24, 2012 Posts: 2762 Finknabad, Squinkistan	Posted on Feb 11 2018 10:56 PM Chippertheripper wrote: JObeast wrote: Chippertheripper wrote: The views expressed in that quote in the OP ave no place in society nor across any genre of music. It’s disgusting. An appalling excrudescence of bigoted nativism, you say? But it’s all the rage these days in flyoverland, doncha know. And where might you live? Let me guess - on the coast? I’m a friendly neighbor to squinkistan. Good. Us Squinks need all the friends we can get. — Squink Out! Top
amnesiack Joined: Feb 06, 2014 Posts: 105 Seattle, WA	Posted on Feb 12 2018 01:00 PM It's just racism/nationalism with a thin veneer placed over it to try to make it sound more acceptable. Aka a load of crap. — Four String Fender for The Delstroyers & The Woodhavens Top

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