IvanP
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Posted on Dec 21 2016 04:24 PM
Joe, thanks for all the info!
Dick's six-week east coast tour, according to Dick's biography by Stephen MacParland, lasted from mid July until late August. His Ed Sullivan appearance was on October 6th.
Joe, how could have Swiden painted Dick's Strat purple for the tour but repainted it gold right before the Sullivan show, WHILE they were on tour? I doubt Dick took Swiden to the east coast with him. 
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Sonichris
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Posted on Dec 21 2016 04:38 PM
I re-read some of the MacParland book today. It mentioned Dick had a 2 week date at the Rainbow Club in Wildwood NJ, starting on Aug 2, 1963. I looked for pictures of the Rainbow Club, and did not see any interior shots to try to match the pictures. It also mentioned a show in Baltimore, MD before a screening of Beach Party. I think the Baltimore show was the August 24th show in the picture.
Have we beaten this topic to death yet? 
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IvanP
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Posted on Dec 21 2016 04:40 PM
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IvanP
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Posted on Dec 21 2016 04:42 PM
Chris, if you look at MacParland's book, there is a photo of Dick standing next to a huge sign of the August 24th show - the same one where the original color pic was taken! The photo credits John Blair! All the stuff John has in his archives!
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Sonichris
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Posted on Dec 21 2016 04:44 PM
Oh good. I love this stuff. Surf music history, no matter how small or seemingly inconsequential.
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SurfBeat
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Posted on Dec 21 2016 05:09 PM
IvanP wrote:
Joe, thanks for all the info!
Dick's six-week east coast tour, according to Dick's biography by Stephen MacParland, lasted from mid July until late August. His Ed Sullivan appearance was on October 6th. How could have Swiden painted his Strat purple for the tour but repainted it gold right before the Sullivan show, WHILE they were on tour? I doubt Dick took Swiden to the east coast with him.
Ivan, if you look at the dates you set forth above will find that Dick's recollection of the subject matter at hand are about right. Let me explain from a former detective now practicing attorney's view point.
According to Dick, he went on his Easter tour about the time he signed with Capitol. My recollection was the signing occurred in May 1963. (See my previous post)
Dick left his home in Costa Mesa around July 63 - (a month or so after signing with Capitol. Right before departing, family friend (Dick's) Swiden painted Dick's pearl white Strat PURPLE.
Dick said the subject photo (FB) was taken in Boston, MA at an auditorium where is was performing.
Ivan, are you still with me?
Dick returns from the Eastern tour in late August.
Two months LATER, Dick gets signed for Ed Sullivan's show and THEN has Swiden paint his guitar gold metal flake.
Short,y thereafter, on October 6, (your date Ivan) Dick appears live on the ES show.
It all makes sense.
This string of events clearly follows Dick's recollection as of today.
Now Ivan, look what you started! You must be getting a snow storm back there, so, since you can't go outside and play, its minutia time?
Is this stuff getting old yet? If not, I have sum' more to keep you and Chris interested. (On that note Chris, you and I gotta hook up at Tom's show and talk, mayne play together next April. The old man and the kid) lol
Here is the color line of the Strat in question: Drum roll - Sunburst, red, black, blue, white, purple, then GOLD.
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IvanP
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Posted on Dec 21 2016 05:26 PM
Joe, that all makes sense. I think the disconnect was that we all thought Dick shot the Sullivan appearance while he was touring the east coast (playing live in the studio, but pretaped and aired quite some time later), but you are saying that Dick and the band actually flew back out to NYC to shoot their appearance on Sullivan, which was not connected to the July/August tour. Do I have that right? In that case, yep, Dick's recollections make sense.
(BTW, no snow storm - but a different kind of storm! I'm a college professor, and I've got a stack of final exams I'm grading - a PAINFUL process! So, I'm looking for distractions - anything that gives me a break from the grading!  )
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Badger
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Posted on Dec 21 2016 06:09 PM
IvanP wrote:
(BTW, no snow storm - but a different kind of storm! I'm a college professor, and I've got a stack of final exams I'm grading - a PAINFUL process!
Do they get points for assessing man-hours spent delving (no, diving) into the historiography of Strat paint schemes? A much more enriching experience in my view. Train 'em right, Prof!
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SurfBeat
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Posted on Dec 21 2016 06:10 PM
IvanP wrote:
Joe, that all makes sense. I think the disconnect was that we all thought Dick shot the Sullivan appearance while he was touring the east coast (playing live in the studio, but pretaped and aired quite some time later), but you are saying that Dick and the band actually flew back out to NYC to shoot their appearance on Sullivan, which was not connected to the July/August tour. Do I have that right?
Ivan, that is a big 10-4 - cop jargon for "correct," you got it right.
Now that this issue has been cleaned up, on to the next. That said I am confident the boy from the Rockies is gonna' log in with his two centavos. For a youngster from the Rockies, he is up on surf history.
(BTW, no snow storm - but a different kind of storm! I'm a college professor, and I've got a stack of final exams I'm grading - a PAINFUL process! So, I'm looking for distractions - anything that gives me a break from the grading! )
I am working on a brief myself, so, I know how tedious it is reading and thinking. This has been a good break; talking with Dick and making his mind work, then reading the feedback from my comments.
I will get more info when I head up to his house after Christmas.
I just finished assembling an old Strat hard-tail and I want to compare it to his and my old Strat I still use.
Since I never change strings unless one breaks, I can't get a good sound comparison; the new one sounds way to bright in comparison to my old Strat. I also have to make a new nut because my high E sounds like a sitar-buzzing like heck.
I paid a supposed professional and he did such a bad job I decided to take the time to make a nut myself. It is always something.
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Badger
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Posted on Dec 21 2016 06:14 PM
SurfBeat wrote:
I am working on a brief myself, so, I know how tedious it is reading and thinking.
LMAO, kinda why I poked Ivan. I've been crunching some math & doing some antenna modelling and this is... like... better.
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John
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Posted on Dec 21 2016 06:29 PM
This is a 1961 photo, the band I believe he had during his year and a half at the Rendezvous Ballroom. Strat sure looks white w/tort guard to me.
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SurfBeat
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Posted on Dec 21 2016 06:30 PM
Right on Badga.'
On a side note to Ivan Da' Great and Rocky Mt. Chris, what book were you two referring to when making reference to "McFarlands book."
Because like Dick I play Hodad music, as Paul J has referred to it, surf music mixed with R&B, I am not up to the latest information on the surf music scene that is set forth on these pages unless my Showmen must play a 100% surf music set. When that occurs, it is time to focus on SG101.
When I head over to Dick's I am gonna tear through his library looking for it.
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Sonichris
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Posted on Dec 21 2016 06:33 PM
IvanP wrote:
Chris, if you look at MacParland's book, there is a photo of Dick standing next to a huge sign of the August 24th show - the same one where the original color pic was taken! The photo credits John Blair! All the stuff John has in his archives!
I have the e book. It doesn't have that picture in it. 
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Badger
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Posted on Dec 21 2016 06:39 PM
Sonichris wrote:
I have the e book. It doesn't have that picture in it.
Just went online (quick search) and the book comes up (even Amazon) as Unavailable. So your is my full-blown ****!
Anyone know a source for even the eBook version?
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John
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Posted on Dec 21 2016 06:50 PM
I'm pretty sure the book is still available. You'll need to contact the author, Stephen McParland...his address is at the top of this page and the book in question ("Surf Beat: The Dick Dale Story") is described toward the bottom of the page:
http://www.garyusher.com/cmusic.html
BTW, Stephen is my co-author on the new, 2nd edition of "The Illustrated Discography of Hot Rod Music, 1961-1965."
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Sonichris
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Posted on Dec 21 2016 06:52 PM
I bought it on Stephen MacParlands site. It's a PDF download.
https://payhip.com/b/Ej5Y
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SurfBeat
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Posted on Dec 21 2016 06:58 PM
John wrote:
This is a 1961 photo, the band I believe he had during his year and a half at the Rendezvous Ballroom. Strat sure looks white w/tort guard to me.
You are right-on Big John. At that time, Dick's Strat was pearly white with the T-shell PG.
On a side note, Dick's cousin Ray, the guy on the bottom left was recently in town from Texas and has less than a year to live.
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SurfBeat
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Posted on Dec 21 2016 07:03 PM
Badger wrote:
LMAO, kinda why I poked Ivan.
I guess I will load in and give him a poke also to stir the pot on campus. The snow storm was really a "dung" storm after Michigan gave crooked lying Hillary a boot to the wind.
That's it for politics; they all belong in the slammer.
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Posted on Dec 21 2016 07:13 PM
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Sonichris
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Posted on Dec 21 2016 07:28 PM
Dick's recollections make sense. I too was under the assumption the Ed Sullivan appearance must have been during his 6 week Eastern tour. Since the dates of the tour and the Ed Sullivan appearance didn't line up, I (wrongfully) looked for a reason. But if Dick remembers he made a separate trip back to NY for the show, then that must be what happened.
I still don't see a guitar cord. Maybe a very very thin one early on. But, watching his hands and the sounds makes it looks like he's playing. And I think I can see him switch the guitar pickup selector mid song. It must just be the grainy footage.
I wasn't right about too much today, but:
I'm still holding out hope about that sparkleburst Strat being Eddie B's!
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