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Posted on Oct 26 2014 10:16 PM
My issue with collectors who don't play is that they drive up the costs of vintage guitars for those of us who will play them. It started with the baby-boomers who entered their professional lives about thirty years ago and found themselves with the money to buy that guitar Jimmy Page played. Next thing ya know, a '59 Les Paul Standard is selling for well over 200,000 clams and a good 50's Strat goes for $50,000 and up. -Marty —"Hello Girls!" |
Joined: Jun 14, 2006 Posts: 913 New York City area |
Posted on Oct 27 2014 06:43 PM
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Posted on Oct 28 2014 01:06 PM
Supply and demand, indeed, Johnny. I'll say one good outcome of the 'strictly collectors' driving up vintage prices is that Fender sees this demand and responds producing wonderful guitars in the American Vintage series. -Marty —"Hello Girls!" |
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 10331 southern Michigan
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Posted on Oct 28 2014 01:25 PM
JohnnyMosrite wrote:
I do think this is an important point. This is actually a service to humanity in the long-run. —Ivan |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle
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Posted on Oct 28 2014 05:52 PM
I'm all for collectors, unless they are locked away out of paranoia. But I'm against the 'for preservation' aspect. I am 100% against instruments being destroyed or having the originality of a guitar compromised. Guitars don't deserve being 100% preserved for future generations. They deserved to be lovingly and painstakingly restored when it is needed. We shouldn't feel the need to protect these repairable guitars. Re-frets, neck resets, refinishes, these are not things to be ashamed of. Strads, Guarneris, they are constantly being repaired from good old honest playing. What should be learned is people who know how to set up their guitars so they aren't destroying truss rods, having the tops bow. I'm also against re-routing (certain)guitars for different pickups, destroying a finish for no reason, re-planing the fretboard, etc... |
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Joined: Jun 14, 2006 Posts: 913 New York City area |
Posted on Oct 29 2014 12:51 PM
Jake, Are you serious??!! If we took that outlook for everything, the supply of items from the past would be even more diminished - driving prices up even more because of (more) limited supply. Have you ever maybe thought of maybe taking an economics course in whatever college you attend(ed)? Not that it hasn't happened on this forum before with you, but I'd have to say (most politely) that we would have to agree to disagree. As for "What should be learned is people who know how to set up their guitars so they aren't destroying truss rods, having the tops bow" BTW - an original, unrestored anything (in this case a guitar) is more valuable (pesky $$$ collector syndrome kicking in there) than any restoration. (pesky market economics kicking in there) |
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Joined: Oct 06, 2008 Posts: 550 So Cal
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Posted on Oct 29 2014 04:04 PM
I get the 'time capsule' outlook of those who don't mind seeing vintage guitars being preserved by collectors. I still yearn to see those instruments played rather than hanging on the wall. I think of Joshua Bell's Stradivarius violin. He paid close to 4-million for it. At that price, one would certainly be inclined to lock it in a safe and he likely does BUT he also plays the heck out of it on a regular basis. The sound a good player produces on the vintage instrument is the greatest value of the instrument IMHO. "Hello Girls!" Last edited: Oct 29, 2014 16:08:17 |
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Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 10331 southern Michigan
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Posted on Oct 29 2014 08:30 PM
I fell off the wagon. Well, I should say I plummeted off the wagon, and landed with a huge THUD - and left a giant crater in my wake. An epic fall from grace! Ivan |
Joined: Mar 15, 2011 Posts: 8528 Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Oct 29 2014 08:33 PM
IvanP wrote:
What did you buy? —This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. |
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Posted on Oct 29 2014 09:01 PM
Ivan, |
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Posted on Oct 29 2014 09:15 PM
JohnnyMosrite wrote:
Yep, I'm serious. I don't want them destroyed or unjustly made unoriginal, but you can't beat the test of time with them unless they regularly get serviced. And when they are serviced I want them returned to original specs. My whole point is, use them and play them and when it is time we can restore them. People shouldn't lock them away to maintain originality.
Oh shit! There is? Fuck... I guess I'm wrong.
Obviously, my point is guitars physically cannot maintain this state. There will become a day that a neck re-set, re-fret, and crack repairs are incredibly common repairs. They will be necessary towards having these guitars for future generations. |
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Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle
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Posted on Oct 29 2014 09:17 PM
Nice Ivan! I picked up this guy last Friday.
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Joined: Mar 15, 2011 Posts: 8528 Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Oct 29 2014 09:33 PM
IvanP wrote: Well then. Congratulations! That looks amazing. —This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. |
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Joined: Nov 16, 2013 Posts: 4537 Wisconsin
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Posted on Oct 29 2014 09:38 PM
IvanP wrote:
Classic clinical denial. It's always somebody elses' fault, eh? Seriously, don't let the .gov know. You know what some prezident said: Thanks for the gold-sparkled porn, you enabler you. Wes DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices. |
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Posted on Oct 29 2014 10:28 PM
Ivan, http://www.facebook.com/CrazyAcesMusic |
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Posted on Oct 29 2014 10:30 PM
Jake, http://www.facebook.com/CrazyAcesMusic |
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Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 10331 southern Michigan
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Posted on Oct 29 2014 10:33 PM
Thanks, guys. I didn't seek it out, I wasn't looking to get anything! But the guy that works on my guitars at Elderly Instruments (a place which is both heaven AND hell for a gearaholic!) for the first time ever emailed me to tell me about a guitar that I absolutely HAD to have. I turned him down the first two times, but he was persistent, and my resistance began to crumble (especially once my wife gave me the go-ahead, which shocked the hell out of me!). It's a DEAD MINT '93 Custom Shop '60 Strat, made by Art Esparza as a one-off for Matt Umanov's store, sold on consignment at Elderly. Their appraisal dept. appraised it a very low price (for a Custom Shop guitar), and my tech thought that it was a ridiculously good deal. He was very close to buying it himself and flipping it, even put it on hold for himself, but he kept thinking that this guitar has my name all over it. And sure enough, when I went to check it out today, it was pretty much love at first feel. I really bought this guitar as an investment, and was going to keep it 'parked in a garage' and make sure I didn't put any dings or scratches on it. But after playing it this afternoon, well, I may have to reconsider that.... Maybe one day, in a couple of decades, when the King passes, I will have a guitar that will give me a claim to the Throne! The only other ones I can think of that have a similar claim are Wronski, Alex Faide and Maxx Kominsky - then the Game of Thrones will commence!! Ivan Last edited: Oct 29, 2014 22:34:54 |
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Posted on Oct 29 2014 10:39 PM
CrazyAces wrote:
Nope, never. Never really had the tiniest bit of interest in it - until this beaut stole my heart! Jake, congratulations!! I'm sure it's a wonderful guitar! —Ivan Last edited: Oct 29, 2014 22:39:49 |
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Joined: Mar 15, 2011 Posts: 8528 Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Oct 29 2014 10:39 PM
So Ivan, was this the guitar that prompted the original post? —This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. |
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(Somebody should use that for a song title!) I even kept the 10s on there, though he offered to set it up free for my usual 12s. It just played like freakin' buttah! Once I got home I played it through my surf rig for 90 minutes straight. It went by in a blink of an eye, like I was in some alternate reality - I just remember giggling a lot and thinking that this guitar feels and looks and sounds amazing. Interestingly enough, the neck is almost a dead-ringer for my '65 AVRI - really chunky and not at all like a '60 neck. My tech's guess was that this was Umanov's special request. 
