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"If you make a mistake, do it again. Now it’s not a mistake anymore, it’s a part." - Miles Davis

Great advice Matt Q!

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Just get up and do your thing. Remember that no one in the audience is rooting against you. And enjoy hearing your amp and guitar at the level where they sound best. Yes, the amp reacts differently at louder volumes, but in a very good way. And just relax. I find that one stiff drink, around thirty minutes before I go on, puts me in the perfect place.

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Hey Carol, most of us are apprehensive about stumbling while on stage. Kind of like paddling out to surf a big wave. (In my case lining up on a motocross startig gate on the inside.)

Surge! drummer Link refers to our band brain fades as "Jazz" (I call 'em "senior moments") I prefer his take on it.

All said though, I play much better if I am standing in my amp's sweet spot with the amp slightly behind in volume, forcing me to make up for it by hitting the strings a bit harder, zoning out and letting muscle memory carry me there. I play 100% by ear, having no real idea what I am supposed to be playing technically speaking. Also if my amp is too loud, I start to cower and get really self concious, setting the stage (haha) for an Eddie Katcher blew it big event.

The more you play out the more comfortable you will be. After all the people watching came to have a good time and if it was easy, everybody would be up there.

Get 'em Tiger Lady!

ed

Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps?

eddiekatcher wrote:

"...and if it was easy, everybody would be up there."

ed

That statement says it all.

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killbabykill34 wrote:

...... I find that one stiff drink, around thirty minutes before I go on, puts me in the perfect place.

that would put me in the silly zone Laughing

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It is all in timing, Mom. I have a line that I certainly can't cross.

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Ah, yes! I think the last time I did this I was 13 and playing an easy violin solo at a school assembly. My hands got sweaty and my fingers started to slide up the bow. Have you ever seen someone try to play a violin holding the bow in the middle? I flatter myself that nobody noticed this at the time. They were probably still trying to get past the sound.

So, I think the consensus is to look the audience straight in the eyes, imagine they are all nude, and run screaming for the door. But, if you feel like you have stay for the whole set, just remember Hendrix's Law, which is, "The louder and fuzzier it is, the harder it is to tell if it's wrong." Or anyway, the more it sounds like it's the other, more tentative players who are screwing up.

A few observations of my own:

I've also noticed that if a player remembers their mistakes and repeats them about the same way in the next verse everyone thinks they're a genius.

Never assume a mistake sounds worse than the correct version, especially with the band's originals or any Top 40 covers. There are bound to be people in the audience wishing they'd thought of doing it that way themselves.

For the musical perfectionist with nerves of steel, practice is about perfecting a performance and committing it to muscle memory. For the rest, it's about learning to screw up and keep going with nonchalant flair. And, remember, if you're doing your job, the audience is drunk.

Carol,
There's been a lot of great advice already in this thread and I certainly have no revelations that will cure your concerns or worries but I will add this: Do what you love, Love what you do and the rest is silly details.

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The Miles Davis quote is sage advice, I would add do not quit, no matter how lost, out of tune or in the wrong key you are, keep playing like you mean it. 99% of the audience will not know anyhoo. Besides they are still trying to remember the steps to The Shag out there on the beach.

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Another useful thing is to practice starting and stopping at various points in the song. It's embarrassing to lose your place and have to wait until the place you know how to start from comes around again. Not that I've ever done this...

Hey Mom,
Everyone messes up..you can 1) play through it no matter how wrong it is 2) fall back and do some muted chords until you can refocus
Attached is our set at the Battle Of The Surf Bands....Check out the third song..I totally blew the second verse,,,kept playing (remember this audience had a lot of surf musicians in it) ,,I'm sure some noticed but most did not I don't think anyway.
Keep playin!

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Last edited: Jun 28, 2013 21:31:15

Mistakes? Ha! Your not a guitar player if you don't make any stinking mistakes! I would rather hear the lead guitar player be nice and loud while making a few mistakes, rather than be turned down so low, not heard, and completely lost in the mix. Not to mention, when you start playing bigger venues, it usually comes with a soundman. If the soundman is good, he's gonna bring that lead guitar up to be heard nice and clear, thus, you won't have much say in the matter at this point anyway. Sooner or later, you have to face, "The Sour Note Demons, Monsters, etc. any guitar player faces. Just try to imagine that everyone in the audience is completely naked and you'll do just fine Carol! ;D

Be careful following the masses. Sometimes the "M" is silent...........................

Last edited: Jun 29, 2013 01:04:06

Good advice here already so I can only repeat some.
I only make noises on stage (shouting more than actual singing ;) ) but I do hang around with supposedly "real" musicians.

Lots of regular practice helps definitely and playing through any mistakes without showing it (like making a funny/sad face Smile ) is a must when on stage.

Head straight to the bar after the set and purge unpleasant memories with booze after a group hug, hehe.

I always seem to play too loud (with maybe one exception at Jawsfest) and always manage to make mistakes, no matter how prepared I am... and that's every stinkin' time too, not just occasionally. But the way I see it, most of us are not career musicians practicing 8 hours a day, playing stadiums and getting paid millions, so it's really not worth beating yourself up over when it happens. And like others say, 99% of the audience won't even notice, so just make a weird face at your bandmates and laugh about it later.

Mike
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Hi! What about soundcloud repository of our most pathetic on-stage bloopers? I can contribute a mixolydian variation of the highly complex tune "penetration"...
Yours
Wolfi

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When you goof, smile and carry on. It happens. Nothing worse than when a musician has a clam and makes the "wince face."

We all make mistakes, and just keep going and have fun.


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Most of the time when we're laughing on stage it's because one of us made a mistake or I'm laughing at myself.
We laugh a lot.

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Whatever you're playing, just play it like you mean it. Enjoy every moment and it will show. All the best!

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