Dalibor wrote:

None of their Jazzmasters are even close to Jazzmasters from 70s. I'm not even going to mention 60s Jazzmasters. MIJ, MIM or Made in USA they are not good.

Well, I believe that, as Jack said, you're dead wrong about that. I don't have much experience with vintage offsets, but Jack, for example has owned multiple vintage and new offsets, and I believe he'll tell you that they're a lot closer than you think. As I already mentioned, my own experience with reissue Strats is that they're as good or better than the '50s and '60s models that I've played, yep. There are many more people on SG101 that have plenty of experience with both vintage and reissue models that have raved about the reissues, at least the US-made ones (the consensus seems to be that the Japanese ones are pretty good for the money, but not as close to the vintage ones).

What matters ultimately is this: a LOT of great music, including a lot of surf music, has been recorded using reissue instruments, and the tones on much of that stuff are indistinguishable from the originals.

What about 30 or so models of Stratocasters?:)

Exactly what Ryan said. It's all about appealing to different customer demands. A Strat is used for MANY different styles of music, and Fender tries to sell a model for all the people out there, as well as many different budgets. Again, for us traditionalists, there are the guitars we want, so why care about the other models?

I didn't want to discuss economy but I see your point
and I agree with you.

Yay!

I just wanted to say that their
"pro" line is not pro. If you want professional
instrument or amp buy vintage or go somewhere else

I really don't think you're right about that.

Oh yes about my Made in Japan Jazzmaster let me remind you that in
1995. there was no Made in USA Jazzmaster.

yes, I know - my point was simply is that even you at some point chose to buy a new(er) Fender rather than a vintage one - either because the vintage one was difficult to find or expensive. Aren't you glad that Fender was there at least making the Japanese version of it? Imagine if they hadn't - first of all, lot of people that wanted a Jazzmaster would have had to buy a vintage, leaving even fewer for you and driving up the price even further. Would you have been able to get a vintage one eventually in the absence of having the Japanese substitutes? It seems much less likely. Whatever their sins were, the MIJ offsets did scratch the itch for a lot of people, keeping the vintage prices down.

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But, then again, I dig relics too

OK:) You have to explain this to me because I don't get it:)

Dalibor wrote:

But, then again, I dig relics too

OK:) You have to explain this to me because I don't get
it:)

Well, when my four year old son pushes a relic onto the concrete, I won't feel nearly as distressed as if it were a pristine finished guitar

I don't own a relic, but I do like the look of some (not all) of them. My guitars are reliced by my drummer tripping over them while he sets up on stage

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IvanP wrote:

Dalibor wrote:

OK let's change it to: none of their new models of
Jazzmasters are comparable to old. I played 3
different
vintage Jazzmasters and all of them are sounding way
better than AVRI or whatever the name is.

Two things, though: 1) a guitar in a store is rarely
set up well (especially a problem with the offsets,
which are very sensitive to a good set up), and
certainly not to your specifications, in addition to
the fact that the strings are usually old and dead; 2)
a vintage instrument will be different by the virtue of
being old: the wood has dried up, the electronics
will change and mellow out, and the neck will be 'worn
in' after decades of use. So, it may not be a fair
comparison. Finally, not all guitars are equal, even
when made at the same time. Some will always be better
than others, possessing a bit of magic that others
lack.

OK, you are working for Fender, aren't you?:)

IvanP wrote:

Dalibor wrote:

OK, you are working for Fender, aren't you?:)

No, absolutely not. Who told you???

But, hey if they want to send me some money, who am I
to say no? (Fender reps, please pm me.)

I can tell you a few stories about Fender dealer in Croatia:) Maybe this is why I don't like new Fenders... Anyway, as I probably said few stupid things I go back in lurking mode:)

As an infrequent poster, and mainly lurker, this "nuts and bolts" thread has certainly gained some substance. Lots of good stuff here!
Dalibor, please don't go back to lurking. I've enjoyed reading your perspectives, as well as everyone else in this thread.

Brian wrote:

Strat-o-rama wrote:

Dalibor, please don't go back to lurking. I've
enjoyed
reading your perspectives, as well as everyone else
in
this thread.

I second this. This has been a really good thread.

I agree. If I or anyone else who'd posted something stupid went into hiding, there would very few people posting here.

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

I found this thread extremely interesting and I'm extremely happy to see that in spite of the strong differences of opinion it did not get ugly.

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SurfinGuy wrote:

Hey Dalibor, you didn't say anything stupid in my
opinion, it's just a matter of different points of
view, so please don't disappear now !!!

I won't disappear, I'm just pretending:) They call me drama queen:)
(I work for Gibson)