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What I meant was - this collection covers pretty much their whole career,
including their
bright and dark eras. I totally agree the Ventures have more dark than bright -
however -
the 'golden' era Ventures of the Nokie years to MY ears is a step or three above
the Shadows
golden era IMHO. Now IMHO's are like assholes, everyone has one, so dont take it
as slight
on a personal level. I just didnt get off on Hank Marvin's style as much as I do
on Nokie's.
Nokie had a lot more feeling, dexterity and technical ability it sounds like to
my ears.
Hank sounds like Bob and Don, where as Nokie wails like Lonnie Mack (staying in
era, for
argument sake). Had the Ventures been born with Gerry, then the Shads would've
had them
covered no sweat.
The Shadows gave us a few good songs, that have been done better by other
people. For
example, I was anxious to hear "Theme For Young Lovers" after hearing the Blue
Hawaiians
version. The Blues really do a wonderful job on it. The Shad version is kinda
stiff.... not
my thing. Same with "Flingel Bunt" and the Straits.
If you really dig that song, check out a country band called The Derailers. They
KILL on
that sound, that Bakersfield meets the Beatles thing. "Mohair Sam" sounds
similar to Flingel
Bunt.
ANYWAY - the point of my post wasnt to critique their work, it was merely to
share a 'net
find with a group of people who might enjoy it. Either download it or skip it,
no skin off
my ass.
Robb, to each his own. I absolutely LOVE the Ventures, in fact have
been listening to them a LOT over the last four weeks or so. I
think Nokie is a master guitarist, and I just love his style. His
chops are legendary, and I really dig the agression with which he
often plays.
But when we're talking about Hank & the Shadows, it's a whole
different ballgame (football vs. soccer?). I don't think it's fair
to compare Hank and Nokie entirely on Nokie's turf, i.e., chops and
agression. Most people that are nuts about Hank, including myself,
recognize his greatest strengths to be his sense of melody and his
feeling, which I think completely blow away Nokie. Hank could make
his guitar sing like few before or since. Also, his overall tone
has never been matched. Nokie's tone was cool, especially during
the Mosrite era, but it was never in the same league as Hank's tone -
which is always instantly recognizable and almost impossible to
replicate (believe me, MANY try!!). Hank's use of echo and his use
of the tremolo arm to emulate the phrasing of a human voice were
simply revolutionary.
Yes, the Ventures were more 'rock' (or should that be,
more 'rawk'?). They were heavier and more energetic than the
Shadows. And a lot of people (insert: Americans) think the Shadows
were 'stiff'. But the thing about the Shadows is that they were
much more musically sophisticated than the Ventures. If you look at
the kind of chords and chord progressions that the Shadows were
writing, especially between '64 and '67, it was really much more
akin to jazz than r&r (or country and blues, which you can also hear
heavily in Nokie's playing). And in fact, that was conscious. They
always strived to match the musicality of (mostly '50s) jazz guys,
and that also meant the musicality of the whole ensemble, not just
the soloist. For this reason they progressively moved further away
from r&r - that, as well as some very poor management advice ("r&r
is a fad, blah blah blah"). Of course, i think this was a terrible
idea, but still - I love the crispness as well as the elegance of
their writing and arrangements. Whereas the Ventures were like a
steam locomotive plowing through a song, the Shadows were like a
carriage pulled by showhorses. But, hey, sometimes locomotives are
a lot more fun than horses! Sometimes not.
So, what I'm saying, it's not fair to listen to the Shadows with
your ears full of the Ventures, just as it isn't fair to do it the
other way around. I could never convince my dad of the Ventures'
brilliance, cause he couldn't give up the Shadows as his standard.
So, to him the Ventures were always very basic, simplistic,
derivative and raw (not a good thing to him). Many Shadows fans
have this perspective, as well. So I recommend everyone to listen
to each band with an open mind and try to appreciate their strengths
on their own merits.
Finally, I know the Ventures have been very influential, but if you
look at the influence of Hank and the Shads, well it's just
monumental. The tribute to Hank & the Shads from a few years ago
called "Twang", included Brian May (Queen), Ritchie Blackmore (Deep
Purple, Rainbow), Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits), Peter Green (the
Bluesbreakers, early Fleetwood Mac), Tony Iommi (Black Sabbath),
Peter Frampton, Neil Young, Randy Bachman (The Guess Who, BTO), and
more. Now, every one of these guys was almost completely inspired
to start playing the guitar and pursue music because of Hank & the
Shads. That list should also include David Gilmour (Pink Floyd) and
Pete Townshend (the Who), both of whom have sang ample praises of
the Shadows. Even guys like Clapton, Page and Beck have given
begrudging credit and respect to the Shadows, though they were
already into r&r before the Shadows. But of all of these
guitarists, I think only Frampton, and maybe Bachmann and Young
claimed any influence by the Ventures. And I really don't remember
seeing many interviews where famous modern guitarists would credit
Nokie as the guy that started them playing the guitar. I don't
remember a tribute to Nokie by rock stars. Of course, ultimately
all this means nothing, except I think it's worth pointing out the
gigantic influence that Hank & the Shads have had on modern guitar
playing and modern rock in general - of course, indirectly. I think
a much bigger one than the Ventures ultimately. So, clearly there
MUST be something going on that you're not picking up on.
Oh, I should add that Hank did have chops galore, when he wanted to
show them off. Around '65 you really start hearing them much more
(check out National Provincial Samba or Cotton Pickin' from Sound of
the Shadows LP). But that was never his thing. It seemed like he
just didn't enjoy playing like that as much as in a simpler, more
melodic fashion.
Alright, now all you Ventures nuts lynch me. Go ahead.
Ivan
--- In , "Robb Lowe" <robblowe@h...>
wrote:
>
> What I meant was - this collection covers pretty much their whole
career, including their
> bright and dark eras. I totally agree the Ventures have more dark
than bright - however -
> the 'golden' era Ventures of the Nokie years to MY ears is a step
or three above the Shadows
> golden era IMHO. Now IMHO's are like assholes, everyone has one,
so dont take it as slight
> on a personal level. I just didnt get off on Hank Marvin's style
as much as I do on Nokie's.
> Nokie had a lot more feeling, dexterity and technical ability it
sounds like to my ears.
> Hank sounds like Bob and Don, where as Nokie wails like Lonnie
Mack (staying in era, for
> argument sake). Had the Ventures been born with Gerry, then the
Shads would've had them
> covered no sweat.
>
> The Shadows gave us a few good songs, that have been done better
by other people. For
> example, I was anxious to hear "Theme For Young Lovers" after
hearing the Blue Hawaiians
> version. The Blues really do a wonderful job on it. The Shad
version is kinda stiff.... not
> my thing. Same with "Flingel Bunt" and the Straits.
>
> If you really dig that song, check out a country band called The
Derailers. They KILL on
> that sound, that Bakersfield meets the Beatles thing. "Mohair Sam"
sounds similar to Flingel
> Bunt.
>
> ANYWAY - the point of my post wasnt to critique their work, it was
merely to share a 'net
> find with a group of people who might enjoy it. Either download it
or skip it, no skin off
> my ass.
>
This is good stuff, Ivan. The list of rock star praises to the Ventures isn't
really that light. Maybe they don't specifically point to Nokie but I can add
that there exists a rock star tribute to the Ventures on video that features
Rick Derringer, Max Weinberg, Jeff Skunk Baxter, and maybe one or two others.
Among other rock stars that have been quoted with praise to the Ventures are
Neil Young (whom you correctly list as a Shadows fan, that twoface!), John
Fogerty and Eddie Van Halen. Alan White of Yes attended their Baja cruise as did
the lead guitarist from the country band Alabama.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: ipongrac
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:43 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: rippin' on the Shads
...I really don't remember
seeing many interviews where famous modern guitarists would credit
Nokie as the guy that started them playing the guitar...
Alright, now all you Ventures nuts lynch me. Go ahead.
Ivan
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--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
>
> This is good stuff, Ivan. The list of rock star praises to the
> Ventures isn't really that light. Maybe they don't specifically
> point to Nokie but I can add that there exists a rock star tribute
> to the Ventures on video that features Rick Derringer, Max
> Weinberg, Jeff Skunk Baxter, and maybe one or two others.
Yes, I have this - from the early '80s? Unbelievably cheesy? ;)
Don't forget Frampton - he was there too - playing a red Strat, that
cheeky mother! (And looking completely coked out of his mind!)
> Among other rock stars that have been quoted with praise to the
> Ventures are Neil Young (whom you correctly list as a Shadows fan,
> that twoface!), John Fogerty and Eddie Van Halen. Alan White of
> Yes attended their Baja cruise as did the lead guitarist from the
> country band Alabama.
Fair enough, but the list of the 'big guns' on the Shadows side is
much more impressive than the Ventures' side, wouldn't you say? ;)
I'm really just pulling your leg right now, don't worry...
Ivan
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ipongrac
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:43 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: rippin' on the Shads
>
>
> ...I really don't remember
> seeing many interviews where famous modern guitarists would
credit
> Nokie as the guy that started them playing the guitar...
>
> Alright, now all you Ventures nuts lynch me. Go ahead.
> Ivan
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Ivan,
I'm gonna address just part of your message, if that's OK with
you. <g>
You cited the Twang album as being one of several proofs that
the Shadows were (are?) more appealing than the Ventures. Now
far be it from me to detract from either of those two groups,
but in point of fact, the only Americans on that album are Neil
Young and Bela Fleck (I had to go look him up!), Randy Bachman
is from Canada, and Keith Urban is a New Zealander (had to look
that one up, too).
The rest of the artists (9 out of 13) are all British. Doesn't
that strike you as a little lopsided? Oh, and the album itself?
You can guess by now where it originated, right?
Not to slight our East Atlantic brethren, they deserve just as
much as we do to celebrate their heritage. But the same token,
that doesn't automatically mean that the Ventures don't also
have a huge base of players that cite them as first and/or
foremost amongst their influences.
One final thought on this: For what it's worth, you don't often
see tribute albums to people/groups that are still extant. The
Shadows are all still alive (I think, but I'm not sure), but The
Ventures are not only still with us individually (except for Mel
Taylor), they are still blowing away all comers, and doing it in
their native habitat - on stage! <g> I truly think they qualify
for the longest lived act in show business. Even the Rolling
Stones can't claim as many years in continous operation as our
boys from Tacoma. <g>
But truly, yours was a very nice, well thought-out and insightful
piece. I give it 5 stars! <lol>
unlunf
p.s. According to the liner notes on that Twang album, there
should be forthcoming a Tribute To The Ventures album, as well
as a Twang, Vol. 2 album. But that was printed in '96, so who
knows if either of these will ever show up.
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
>
> ....
>
> Finally, I know the Ventures have been very influential, but if you
> look at the influence of Hank and the Shads, well it's just
> monumental. The tribute to Hank & the Shads from a few years ago
> called "Twang", included Brian May (Queen), Ritchie Blackmore (Deep
> Purple, Rainbow), Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits), Peter Green (the
> Bluesbreakers, early Fleetwood Mac), Tony Iommi (Black Sabbath),
> Peter Frampton, Neil Young, Randy Bachman (The Guess Who, BTO), and
> more. Now, every one of these guys was almost completely inspired
> to start playing the guitar and pursue music because of Hank & the
> Shads. That list should also include David Gilmour (Pink Floyd)
> and Pete Townshend (the Who), both of whom have sang ample praises
> of the Shadows. Even guys like Clapton, Page and Beck have given
> begrudging credit and respect to the Shadows, though they were
> already into r&r before the Shadows. But of all of these
> guitarists, I think only Frampton, and maybe Bachmann and Young
> claimed any influence by the Ventures. And I really don't remember
> seeing many interviews where famous modern guitarists would credit
> Nokie as the guy that started them playing the guitar. I don't
> remember a tribute to Nokie by rock stars. Of course, ultimately
> all this means nothing, except I think it's worth pointing out the
> gigantic influence that Hank & the Shads have had on modern guitar
> playing and modern rock in general - of course, indirectly. I
> think a much bigger one than the Ventures ultimately. So, clearly
> there MUST be something going on that you're not picking up on.
>
> .....
>
> Alright, now all you Ventures nuts lynch me. Go ahead.
> Ivan
>
Well yes, I know your pulling my leg but you're also right. The number and
overall profile of the big guns praising the Shadows is indeed more impressive.
Of course the list is also predictable. I mean with one exception, they are all
English. For the years '64 to '74, the U.K. was the pool from which 90% of our
rock guitar Gods sprung. It's somewhat impressive that any of the U.K. rock Gods
such as Frampton give accolades to the Ventures.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: ipongrac
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:19 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: rippin' on the Shads
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
>
> This is good stuff, Ivan. The list of rock star praises to the
> Ventures isn't really that light. Maybe they don't specifically
> point to Nokie but I can add that there exists a rock star tribute
> to the Ventures on video that features Rick Derringer, Max
> Weinberg, Jeff Skunk Baxter, and maybe one or two others.
Yes, I have this - from the early '80s? Unbelievably cheesy? ;)
Don't forget Frampton - he was there too - playing a red Strat, that
cheeky mother! (And looking completely coked out of his mind!)
> Among other rock stars that have been quoted with praise to the
> Ventures are Neil Young (whom you correctly list as a Shadows fan,
> that twoface!), John Fogerty and Eddie Van Halen. Alan White of
> Yes attended their Baja cruise as did the lead guitarist from the
> country band Alabama.
Fair enough, but the list of the 'big guns' on the Shadows side is
much more impressive than the Ventures' side, wouldn't you say? ;)
I'm really just pulling your leg right now, don't worry...
Ivan
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ipongrac
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:43 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: rippin' on the Shads
>
>
> ...I really don't remember
> seeing many interviews where famous modern guitarists would
credit
> Nokie as the guy that started them playing the guitar...
>
> Alright, now all you Ventures nuts lynch me. Go ahead.
> Ivan
>
>
>
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I used to worry about that "Twang" follow-up "forthcoming Tribute to the
Ventures" as well, unlunf, until I heard the Mu-Sick release called "Swingin'
Creepers" (a tribute to The Ventures). It's one of the greatest tribute albums
ever though no major rock guitar Gods are on there. If you don't have it, get it
now. In fact Ivan himself has not one but two great cuts on that one.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: unlunf
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 8:38 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: rippin' on the Shads
...unlunf
p.s. According to the liner notes on that Twang album, there
should be forthcoming a Tribute To The Ventures album, as well
as a Twang, Vol. 2 album. But that was printed in '96, so who
knows if either of these will ever show up.
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
>
> ....
>
> Finally, I know the Ventures have been very influential, but if you
> look at the influence of Hank and the Shads, well it's just
> monumental. The tribute to Hank & the Shads from a few years ago
> called "Twang", included Brian May (Queen), Ritchie Blackmore (Deep
> Purple, Rainbow), Mark Knopfler (Dire Straits), Peter Green (the
> Bluesbreakers, early Fleetwood Mac), Tony Iommi (Black Sabbath),
> Peter Frampton, Neil Young, Randy Bachman (The Guess Who, BTO), and
> more. Now, every one of these guys was almost completely inspired
> to start playing the guitar and pursue music because of Hank & the
> Shads. That list should also include David Gilmour (Pink Floyd)
> and Pete Townshend (the Who), both of whom have sang ample praises
> of the Shadows. Even guys like Clapton, Page and Beck have given
> begrudging credit and respect to the Shadows, though they were
> already into r&r before the Shadows. But of all of these
> guitarists, I think only Frampton, and maybe Bachmann and Young
> claimed any influence by the Ventures. And I really don't remember
> seeing many interviews where famous modern guitarists would credit
> Nokie as the guy that started them playing the guitar. I don't
> remember a tribute to Nokie by rock stars. Of course, ultimately
> all this means nothing, except I think it's worth pointing out the
> gigantic influence that Hank & the Shads have had on modern guitar
> playing and modern rock in general - of course, indirectly. I
> think a much bigger one than the Ventures ultimately. So, clearly
> there MUST be something going on that you're not picking up on.
>
> .....
>
> Alright, now all you Ventures nuts lynch me. Go ahead.
> Ivan
>
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Europe=Shadows
US=Ventures
That's pretty much it. They are very different bands. To
compare-contrast is arguing whether apples or oranges are better. It
depends on the naswer to "for what?"
They did not cross boundries much.
Phil
--- Ran Mosessco <> wrote:
> from a non-American point of view.
> I was raised on the Shadows' music, and where I came from originally
> (Israel) hardly anyone knows anything about the Ventures.
So while I was stuffing my face with Sushi I missed this whole discussion...
Anyway, Ivan put it very well regarding the difference in styles.
I want to add something about the influence issue. Maybe offer something
from a non-American point of view.
I was raised on the Shadows' music, and where I came from originally
(Israel) hardly anyone knows anything about the Ventures. Most people who
know anything about music from the 60's know the Shadows. I, myself havn't
even heard of them until the 1990's. (I'll put Hawaii 5-0 aside, as that
theme music didn't seem to get attention to the Ventures themselves around
my parts).
In my discussions with other non-Americans, the scenerio seems similar,
whereas the main stream was aware of the Shadows, and only hard-core
instrumental fanatics (like all of us here) were aware of the Ventures.
Japan, of course, is an exception.
So, for me to hear time and again in discussions here how much influential
the Ventures were, and how much trivial the Shadows were (even to the
ridiculous point where Americans don't associate Apache with the Shadows,
the blasphemy!), is a little indicative of some cultural egocentrism. Now
don't get me wrong - I think for most part the egocentrism is
justified...I'm obsessed with mid century American pop culture and think
it's the greatest. It's just in this case(Ventures-Shadows), I think there
is some room here for people to open their eyes and see the big picture. I
can assure you that for many years (I guess before Pulp Fiction and before
the internet) if you went outside the USA and asked around, you'd find more
"main stream people" aware of the Shadows than any Surf bands/artists or the
Ventures.
Ran
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I've heard that's true that the Shadows are big names outside of the U.S., Ran.
I also understand that in some of those same places there's lot of fans of the
vocal "artistry" of David Hasselhoff. >:D
-Marty
PS: don't nobody point out that there are a lot of Britney Spears fans here in
the U.S.
...if you went outside the USA and asked around, you'd find more
"main stream people" aware of the Shadows than any Surf bands/artists or the
Ventures.
Ran
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Just a trivial note here. On myspace.com there is a chain letter of
sorts going around about what your favorite Shadows song is. As of now
there were 10 responses and 10 different songs. I was very surprised
by that. And at the point when I posted, the 10th poster, there was no
Wonderful Land, Atlantis, Apache, or Theme for Young Lovers.
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wrote:
>
> I've heard that's true that the Shadows are big names outside of the
U.S., Ran. I also understand that in some of those same places there's
lot of fans of the vocal "artistry" of David Hasselhoff. >:D
> -Marty
> PS: don't nobody point out that there are a lot of Britney Spears
fans here in the U.S.
>
>
>
> ...if you went outside the USA and asked around, you'd find more
> "main stream people" aware of the Shadows than any Surf
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> Ventures.
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Phil,
Depending on which boundries you're speaking of (music or
geographical), I pretty much agree with you.
unlunf
--- In , Phil Dirt <phildirt@r...> wrote:
>
> Europe=Shadows
> US=Ventures
>
> That's pretty much it. They are very different bands. To
> compare-contrast is arguing whether apples or oranges are better. It
> depends on the naswer to "for what?"
>
> They did not cross boundries much.
>
> Phil
>
> --- Ran Mosessco <burnman@n...> wrote:
>> from a non-American point of view.
>> I was raised on the Shadows' music, and where I came from
>> originally (Israel) hardly anyone knows anything about the
>> Ventures.
>
Ran,
I think the train has jumped the track here.
Yes, you were raised on Shadows music, and that's fine. I
want to know, though, who were the major musical influences
in the rest of the Middle East during your formative years?
How about in Europe, in general? And in the Far East? (That
would include Oz and New Zealand.)
One thing that's easy to forget here is culture. Your roots
are very, very, old. The music that surrounded you when
you were growing up was not just British rock, I'm sure of
that. Different scales, different rhythms, different topics,
all of these things combined to affect your sensibilities,
both musical and otherwise.
Now, project that scenario onto the other cultures of this
planet. In Japan? Ditto. In Morroco? Ditto. In Brazil?
Ditto. Ad finitum, ad nauseum. The point I'm making is that
for every society where one of its citizens comes up and says
"Group A was so well known that Group B was relegated to
being just an also-ran", there is another citizen from some-
where else that will say the exact same thing, only with
Groups A and B reversed.
Sorry, but that's the way of it. Hence, what Phil said is
correct, as far as it goes, meaning in the English speaking
portions of the world. We would have to reach back into time,
see whose recordings sold how many copies, and where, in order
to really determine for all time just who was more popular or
more influential on succeeding generations of musicians.
But for the life of me, I can't see why we should. Both groups
made history, right? As I see it, the pie was big enough to
accomodate both of them - their pieces were big, but I don't
think it would be fair to say one or the other of them got
the bigger piece.
In summary:
Talk about egocentric.... Who are we, any of us, to stand
here and proclaim "Because my buddies and I saw {insert your
favorite group here} first, they were the most popular in the
world, and much more influential on other musicians." Do you,
Ran, or does anyone else here actually propose to make me
believe that you speak for the entire guitar-playing
population of Planet Earth? Now that would be absurd. <lol>
unlunf
--- In , Ran Mosessco <burnman@n...> wrote:
>
> So while I was stuffing my face with Sushi I missed this whole
> discussion... Anyway, Ivan put it very well regarding the
> difference in styles.
> I want to add something about the influence issue. Maybe offer
> something from a non-American point of view.
> I was raised on the Shadows' music, and where I came from
> originally (Israel) hardly anyone knows anything about the
> Ventures. Most people who know anything about music from the 60's
> know the Shadows. I, myself havn't even heard of them until the
> 1990's. (I'll put Hawaii 5-0 aside, as that theme music didn't
> seem to get attention to the Ventures themselves around my parts).
> In my discussions with other non-Americans, the scenerio seems
> similar, whereas the main stream was aware of the Shadows, and
> only hard-core instrumental fanatics (like all of us here) were
> aware of the Ventures.
> Japan, of course, is an exception.
> So, for me to hear time and again in discussions here how much
> influential the Ventures were, and how much trivial the Shadows
> were (even to the ridiculous point where Americans don't associate
> Apache with the Shadows, the blasphemy!), is a little indicative
> of some cultural egocentrism. Now don't get me wrong - I think for
> most part the egocentrism is justified...I'm obsessed with mid
> century American pop culture and think it's the greatest. It's just
> in this case(Ventures-Shadows), I think there is some room here for
> people to open their eyes and see the big picture. I can assure you
> that for many years (I guess before Pulp Fiction and before the
> internet) if you went outside the USA and asked around, you'd find
> more "main stream people" aware of the Shadows than any Surf
> bands/artists or the Ventures.
>
> Ran
>
Hi Marty,
can you please explain:who is D.Hasselhoff?????? :-D
But it is really true,here in Germany and also in Europe,the Shadows are
more well known than The Ventures.
Here are a lot of very good cover bands of The Shadows.
You can find them in Scandinavia,The Netherlands,Danmark,France and
Belgium and of course ,also in Germany.Not to forget,the homeland of The
Shadows.
The Ventures are only knowing by die hard Fans of the instrumental
music,like me. ;-)
My congrats for being on that comp.
Now a question,when we can hear the next CD of The Plank-Tones?
Greetings
Hans
Marty Tippens wrote:
> I've heard that's true that the Shadows are big names outside of the
> U.S., Ran. I also understand that in some of those same places there's
> lot of fans of the vocal "artistry" of David Hasselhoff. >:D
> -Marty
> PS: don't nobody point out that there are a lot of Britney Spears fans
> here in the U.S.
>
>
>
> ...if you went outside the USA and asked around, you'd find more
> "main stream people" aware of the Shadows than any Surf bands/artists
> or the
> Ventures.
>
> Ran
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--- In , "Marty Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
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> PS: don't nobody point out that there are a lot of Britney Spears
fans here in the U.S.
>
Grrr.... Man, what is it with people ripping on Britney lately?
;-) WR
Surfin' with Britney!
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> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
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> > PS: don't nobody point out that there are a lot of Britney Spears
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> Grrr.... Man, what is it with people ripping on Britney lately?
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> ;-) WR
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Thanks Hans. It would be nice to do another Plank-tone CD and now that I see
there is demand in Germany, I'll see if I can't get Hasselhoff on board to do a
cameo ;-)
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans-Dieter Hellmann
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Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: rippin' on the Shads
Hi Marty,
can you please explain:who is D.Hasselhoff?????? :-D
But it is really true,here in Germany and also in Europe,the Shadows are
more well known than The Ventures.
Here are a lot of very good cover bands of The Shadows.
You can find them in Scandinavia,The Netherlands,Danmark,France and
Belgium and of course ,also in Germany.Not to forget,the homeland of The
Shadows.
The Ventures are only knowing by die hard Fans of the instrumental
music,like me. ;-)
My congrats for being on that comp.
Now a question,when we can hear the next CD of The Plank-Tones?
Greetings
Hans
Marty Tippens wrote:
> I've heard that's true that the Shadows are big names outside of the
> U.S., Ran. I also understand that in some of those same places there's
> lot of fans of the vocal "artistry" of David Hasselhoff. >:D
> -Marty
> PS: don't nobody point out that there are a lot of Britney Spears fans
> here in the U.S.
>
>
>
> ...if you went outside the USA and asked around, you'd find more
> "main stream people" aware of the Shadows than any Surf bands/artists
> or the
> Ventures.
>
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You could do "David's Mood." Oh wait, that's a Dave Lewis organ jam,
but I'll bet you guys could make it sing, and then Hasselhoff xould
just play marimba. BTW, there was a band called the David Hasselhoffs!
Phil
--- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
> Thanks Hans. It would be nice to do another Plank-tone CD and now
> that I see there is demand in Germany, I'll see if I can't get
> Hasselhoff on board to do a cameo ;-)
> -Marty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hans-Dieter Hellmann
> To:
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 2:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: rippin' on the Shads
>
>
> Hi Marty,
> can you please explain:who is D.Hasselhoff?????? :-D
> But it is really true,here in Germany and also in Europe,the
> Shadows are
> more well known than The Ventures.
> Here are a lot of very good cover bands of The Shadows.
> You can find them in Scandinavia,The Netherlands,Danmark,France and
>
> Belgium and of course ,also in Germany.Not to forget,the homeland
> of The
> Shadows.
> The Ventures are only knowing by die hard Fans of the instrumental
> music,like me. ;-)
> My congrats for being on that comp.
> Now a question,when we can hear the next CD of The Plank-Tones?
> Greetings
> Hans
>
> Marty Tippens wrote:
>
> > I've heard that's true that the Shadows are big names outside of
> the
> > U.S., Ran. I also understand that in some of those same places
> there's
> > lot of fans of the vocal "artistry" of David Hasselhoff. >:D
> > -Marty
> > PS: don't nobody point out that there are a lot of Britney Spears
> fans
> > here in the U.S.
> >
> >
> >
> > ...if you went outside the USA and asked around, you'd find more
> > "main stream people" aware of the Shadows than any Surf
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I think it is because she has become terrible american white trash.
There are tons of photos with her stuffing her face with fast food,
and it shows, and picture of her walking into a public bathroom with
no shoes on. She used to be really attractive.
Monsters from Mars does a great cover of her song Toxic. I like
Britney's version of that song. I must admit.
--- In , "mono_tones_1" <rockverb@h...>
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> --- In , "Marty Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
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> Grrr.... Man, what is it with people ripping on Britney lately?
>
>
>
> ;-) WR
>
--- In , "Jacob Dobner"
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> I think it is because she has become terrible american white trash.
BECOME???
Man, I drive through where she grew up (and still spends a lot of
time)every other week. Her trashiness is part of who she is, it just
caught up with her. You can take the girl out of Kenwood, LA but you
can't take the Kenwood out of the girl.
