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Jacob, why are you SOOOO touchy? You apparently didn't bother to read my
complete comment, in your eagerness to flame at me.
Saying "I'd suspect . . ." sure ain't the same as the words you just put in my
mouth! And further, I even went out of my way to say I wouldn't comment not
having had the opportunity to actually play and hear the guitar!
People sometimes take issue with the most bland and neutral things, IMHO.
Bruce D
Jacob Dobner <> wrote:
You can't say the Turser may sound better than a Jaguar because it has
P-90s. You could say you prefer the sound of P-90s over a Jaguar pickup.
--- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...> wrote:
> Greg and Jacob,
>
> Actually, I'd suspect the Jay Turser sounds better than a Jaguar
because the P-90's will have a somewhat fatter, yet brighter sound
than I've ever been able to get out of a stock Jaguar. However, not
having played it, I'll withhold comment, because I believe without
direct experience, one does not have the right to voice either an
endorsement or a rejection.
>
> However, I will say that according to other guitarists, these Jay
Turser guitars represent some of the best value available in today's
market. They are extremely well-made, those P-90's are very decent
sounding repros, and at $253 shipped, you can easily afford to budget
more for a better vintage Fender amp and Reverb Unit, than if you blew
$1,200 on a AV Jaguar, or $2,500+ on an original '60's Jag.
>
> As a surf guitarist and surf-music writer who is VERY serious about
his sound, I keep both my ears and mind open at all times for guitars
that will allow me to get the best sound possible, for the lowest
investment possible.
>
> If you keep an open mind, and occasionally "think outside the box"
(The Fender orthodoxy box) you might actually pick up something useful
and valuable to add to your arsenal, as I have.
>
> My band, Longboard Ranch, has gained the reputation of playing our
Surf Music extremely faithful to the original First Gen sound, created
by bands such as The Astronauts, The Lively Ones, The Sentinals, etc.
(This definitely has not happened by luck or accident Greg!) If you
take the trouble, you can hear 8 full-length mp3's of our originals,
at www.soundclick.com, and do a search by "artist" for Longboard Ranch.
>
> I have a collection of about 2 dozen '50's and '60's vintage Fender
axes, as well as several original Mosrites, various Mosrite copies,
several Wilson Bros, Ventures guitars from the $159 VM10 up to the
$2,000 VCM2003. Several vintage Vox and Harmony guitars as well, plus
several modern Strats that have been upgraded with either Lollar,
Fralin, or Seymour Duncan Antiquity II Surf Pickups, (which on Harmony
Central, have been rhapsodically described as achieving "The Holy
Grail" sound for a surf Strat) plus Bill Lawrence pickups. I've tried
'em all in order to attain the very best, truest Surf tones possible,
because I take our band, our music and our sound THAT seriously.
>
> I have over 25 Fender amps, several of them Blackface, an original
'64 Showman with the original 2X15 JBL 130F speaker cab, a '65 Twin
Reverb R/I converted to a piggy-back style amp, several original
Bandmaster heads, several Vibrolux Reverbs, several Deluxe Reverbs,
and several Princeton Reverbs. I have spent literally hundreds of
hours trying to find the most optimal combinations of
guitar/ReverbUnit/and Amp. And I would NEVER remotely consider any
amp other than an all-tube Fender!! Nor would I try to play authentic
Surf Music without a Tube Fender Reverb Unit, (I own 5 - 3 original
vintage and 2 '63 Reissues).
>
> (The crack about Crate amps was a cheap shot Gregory, and I'll bet
you've never even picked up one of these Tursers, but you sure are
quick to dismiss it, without having ever even tried it out! Talk about
"knee-jerk" reactions!)
>
> I seriously doubt that most "surf" guitarists out there, have
invested more than a tiny fraction of the money and time that I have
in this effort. But since I've gone to all this time, expense, and
trouble, it seems to me, that my "opinions" regarding a certain
guitar/amp set-up, might be deserving of some objective,
non-judgmental consideration out there instead of summary rejection!
Now, if you'd actually played the guitar in question, and found it not
to your liking, at least you'd be basing your reaction on a tangible
personal experience. But you never did this, did you?
>
> Another recent guitar, the Wesley San Diego Electric, looks like a
cross between Jazzmaster and Stratocaster. With a solid-alder body
and very usable electronics and hardware, this guitar cost me $260
SHIPPED from the UK. After my new Wesley arrived, I did my normal
modifications, of replacing the Asian hardware, (new Kluson tuners,
Fender Vintage R/I bridge with Callaham forged steel trem-block,
Fender 57/62 R/I pickups, wired to get ALL combinations, with the
bottom knob functioning as Master Tone for all 3 pickups).
>
> At our very next Longboard Ranch rehearsal, and at the LA Zoo gig
which followed, I played the Wesley. The reason I used the Wesley at
the gig, was that at the prior rehearsal, the rest of the band members
were SO extremely enthusiastic about the SOUND of that guitar!
> Our drummer, Doug, a 40+ year surf music fan, our second guitar,
Loyd Davis, (formerly of The Surf Raiders) our 3rd guitar, Tyler
Diesso, (whose main axe for 15 years has been an original vintage '62
Jaguar, played through a Blackface Fender Reverb Unit, into an
original '65 Pro Reverb), all took the trouble to comment very
positively on how much they liked the sound of my new guitar. Doug
said he felt it was the best sounding SURF guitar he's ever heard me
play, and with a collection like I've described above, that is a
pretty darned powerful statement in favor of the Wesley Guitar!
>
> Keep a closed mind and automatically reject what someone else has
found, and you Gain NOTHING. Bottom-line including all parts and
mod's, this Wesley has set me back LESS than $350.!! (and is described
by members of my band as blowing away $4,000+ vintage Fender axes!!).
And, yes, it plays as well as any Fender in my experience!
>
> If you'd like, click on the following link, which will take you to
Wesley's web page regarding their "San Diego" model.
>
>
(This links to their San Diego in Metallic Blue)
>
>
(This links to their San Diego in Metallic Red)
>
> BTW, after hearing how I sounded playing this "cheap imitation"
Jazzmaster, that you'll probably also dismiss without a fair trial,
Tyler, our 3rd guitarist, gave me the $260 in cash to order one for
him! Suddenly, after 15 years, Ty ain't so sure anymore that his
Jaguar is really the ultimate Surf Axe!! But, then again, Tyler's
ears told him everything he needed to know in making that decision!!
Ya shoulda been there Greg!!
>
> Bruce D
>
> Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> Of course it is compared to a Jaguar because they have chrome plates.
> If a guitar has chrome plates it must be trying to be a Jaguar.
> Especially with the P-90s.
>
> --- InurfGuitar01@y..., "Gregory Nicoll"
> <gregorynicoll@h...> wrote:
> > Gosh, the seller even declares it's "as goog as any Jaguar" so how
> > can ya go wrong?
> >
> > Be sure to buy a nice Crate amplifer to go with it. They're probably
> > just as goog as any Dual Showman.
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > --<G>
> >
> >
> > --- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > IMHO, This links you to an awesomely well-made, twang-machine that
> > goes for $253.00 USD, shipped, with a Lifetime Warranty, and
> > definitely LOOKS the part as well!!
> > >
> > >
> > ViewItem&item=7337780159&category=64403&rd=1
> > >
> > > Shawn Martin <drumuitar@y...> wrote:
> > > Anyone play one of these? Looks like it could be a killer surf
> > axe:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > type3-
> > red.JPG
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Examples that prove my point. Jacob's was a NON-ORIGINAL FINISH, and yours, at
$827, is 90% of $900. My statement was that I haven't seen AV Jags go for MUCH
LESS than $900, and the price you paid ISN'T much less than $900!! :-)
Yr 'umble srvnt,
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supertwangreverb <> wrote:
> And, I dunno what sources you're privy to, but I haven't seen an
AV Jag go for much less than $900 at any time on e-bay, which would
be the main alternative to spending $1,200 for a new one. $900 is
still triple what I was talking about for my new "Surf Monster".
And unless you're willing to settle for an original Jaguar with
compromised originality, (i.e. less-than-professional refin, or a
badly relic'ed original finish, you'll find $2,500 is about right
for one that is totally original and in at least "Excellent"
condition.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bruce D
Not privy to anything Bruce... just Ebay. Jacob's was 700.00 on
Ebay. Mine was 827.00 on Ebay as well. There's two examples right
there
Does the Jay Turser come with a strap, G&G Case, lead, and
washcloth? All that plus the quality of an AV Fender for under 900
bucks is pretty hard to beat.
I'm not trying to start a flame war. I just wanted to settle a few
points here.
BTW I wouldn't buy a totally mint vintage Jaguar! Why? When you can
find well working ones for right over a grand?
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Ok... But, I'll still take Jacob's refinished $700 Jag w/ the
candy over any Jay Turser model.
Bill
www.reluctantaquanauts.com
--- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...>
wrote:
> Examples that prove my point. Jacob's was a NON-ORIGINAL FINISH,
and yours, at $827, is 90% of $900. My statement was that I haven't
seen AV Jags go for MUCH LESS than $900, and the price you paid
ISN'T much less than $900!! :-)
>
> Yr 'umble srvnt,
>
> Bruce D
>
> supertwangreverb <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> > And, I dunno what sources you're privy to, but I haven't seen
an
> AV Jag go for much less than $900 at any time on e-bay, which
would
> be the main alternative to spending $1,200 for a new one. $900 is
> still triple what I was talking about for my new "Surf Monster".
> And unless you're willing to settle for an original Jaguar with
> compromised originality, (i.e. less-than-professional refin, or a
> badly relic'ed original finish, you'll find $2,500 is about right
> for one that is totally original and in at least "Excellent"
> condition.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bruce D
>
> Not privy to anything Bruce... just Ebay. Jacob's was 700.00 on
> Ebay. Mine was 827.00 on Ebay as well. There's two examples right
> there
>
> Does the Jay Turser come with a strap, G&G Case, lead, and
> washcloth? All that plus the quality of an AV Fender for under
900
> bucks is pretty hard to beat.
>
> I'm not trying to start a flame war. I just wanted to settle a few
> points here.
>
> BTW I wouldn't buy a totally mint vintage Jaguar! Why? When you
can
> find well working ones for right over a grand?
>
> Bill
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Saying you suspect is worse. Because that would mean you have never
played the guitar and you are already saying it is better than jaguar
pickups. It reminds me of my early days and people on guitar forums
who don't own Les Pauls calling them the best guitar ever.
I'm not touchy. I didn't do any flaming. Flaming is calling you
retarded or something like that.
And you said you wouldn't comment on the guitar without playing it but
you already did comment on the guitar. You have said what a well made
guitar it is et cetera.
You tell me to chill but in turn you should. It is always one the
other side of arguments like this.
--- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...> wrote:
> Jacob, why are you SOOOO touchy? You apparently didn't bother to
read my complete comment, in your eagerness to flame at me.
>
> Saying "I'd suspect . . ." sure ain't the same as the words you just
put in my mouth! And further, I even went out of my way to say I
wouldn't comment not having had the opportunity to actually play and
hear the guitar!
>
> People sometimes take issue with the most bland and neutral things,
IMHO.
>
> Bruce D
>
> Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> You can't say the Turser may sound better than a Jaguar because it has
> P-90s. You could say you prefer the sound of P-90s over a Jaguar pickup.
>
> --- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...>
wrote:
> > Greg and Jacob,
> >
> > Actually, I'd suspect the Jay Turser sounds better than a Jaguar
> because the P-90's will have a somewhat fatter, yet brighter sound
> than I've ever been able to get out of a stock Jaguar. However, not
> having played it, I'll withhold comment, because I believe without
> direct experience, one does not have the right to voice either an
> endorsement or a rejection.
> >
> > However, I will say that according to other guitarists, these Jay
> Turser guitars represent some of the best value available in today's
> market. They are extremely well-made, those P-90's are very decent
> sounding repros, and at $253 shipped, you can easily afford to budget
> more for a better vintage Fender amp and Reverb Unit, than if you blew
> $1,200 on a AV Jaguar, or $2,500+ on an original '60's Jag.
> >
> > As a surf guitarist and surf-music writer who is VERY serious about
> his sound, I keep both my ears and mind open at all times for guitars
> that will allow me to get the best sound possible, for the lowest
> investment possible.
> >
> > If you keep an open mind, and occasionally "think outside the box"
> (The Fender orthodoxy box) you might actually pick up something useful
> and valuable to add to your arsenal, as I have.
> >
> > My band, Longboard Ranch, has gained the reputation of playing our
> Surf Music extremely faithful to the original First Gen sound, created
> by bands such as The Astronauts, The Lively Ones, The Sentinals, etc.
> (This definitely has not happened by luck or accident Greg!) If you
> take the trouble, you can hear 8 full-length mp3's of our originals,
> at www.soundclick.com, and do a search by "artist" for Longboard Ranch.
> >
> > I have a collection of about 2 dozen '50's and '60's vintage Fender
> axes, as well as several original Mosrites, various Mosrite copies,
> several Wilson Bros, Ventures guitars from the $159 VM10 up to the
> $2,000 VCM2003. Several vintage Vox and Harmony guitars as well, plus
> several modern Strats that have been upgraded with either Lollar,
> Fralin, or Seymour Duncan Antiquity II Surf Pickups, (which on Harmony
> Central, have been rhapsodically described as achieving "The Holy
> Grail" sound for a surf Strat) plus Bill Lawrence pickups. I've tried
> 'em all in order to attain the very best, truest Surf tones possible,
> because I take our band, our music and our sound THAT seriously.
> >
> > I have over 25 Fender amps, several of them Blackface, an original
> '64 Showman with the original 2X15 JBL 130F speaker cab, a '65 Twin
> Reverb R/I converted to a piggy-back style amp, several original
> Bandmaster heads, several Vibrolux Reverbs, several Deluxe Reverbs,
> and several Princeton Reverbs. I have spent literally hundreds of
> hours trying to find the most optimal combinations of
> guitar/ReverbUnit/and Amp. And I would NEVER remotely consider any
> amp other than an all-tube Fender!! Nor would I try to play authentic
> Surf Music without a Tube Fender Reverb Unit, (I own 5 - 3 original
> vintage and 2 '63 Reissues).
> >
> > (The crack about Crate amps was a cheap shot Gregory, and I'll bet
> you've never even picked up one of these Tursers, but you sure are
> quick to dismiss it, without having ever even tried it out! Talk about
> "knee-jerk" reactions!)
> >
> > I seriously doubt that most "surf" guitarists out there, have
> invested more than a tiny fraction of the money and time that I have
> in this effort. But since I've gone to all this time, expense, and
> trouble, it seems to me, that my "opinions" regarding a certain
> guitar/amp set-up, might be deserving of some objective,
> non-judgmental consideration out there instead of summary rejection!
> Now, if you'd actually played the guitar in question, and found it not
> to your liking, at least you'd be basing your reaction on a tangible
> personal experience. But you never did this, did you?
> >
> > Another recent guitar, the Wesley San Diego Electric, looks like a
> cross between Jazzmaster and Stratocaster. With a solid-alder body
> and very usable electronics and hardware, this guitar cost me $260
> SHIPPED from the UK. After my new Wesley arrived, I did my normal
> modifications, of replacing the Asian hardware, (new Kluson tuners,
> Fender Vintage R/I bridge with Callaham forged steel trem-block,
> Fender 57/62 R/I pickups, wired to get ALL combinations, with the
> bottom knob functioning as Master Tone for all 3 pickups).
> >
> > At our very next Longboard Ranch rehearsal, and at the LA Zoo gig
> which followed, I played the Wesley. The reason I used the Wesley at
> the gig, was that at the prior rehearsal, the rest of the band members
> were SO extremely enthusiastic about the SOUND of that guitar!
> > Our drummer, Doug, a 40+ year surf music fan, our second guitar,
> Loyd Davis, (formerly of The Surf Raiders) our 3rd guitar, Tyler
> Diesso, (whose main axe for 15 years has been an original vintage '62
> Jaguar, played through a Blackface Fender Reverb Unit, into an
> original '65 Pro Reverb), all took the trouble to comment very
> positively on how much they liked the sound of my new guitar. Doug
> said he felt it was the best sounding SURF guitar he's ever heard me
> play, and with a collection like I've described above, that is a
> pretty darned powerful statement in favor of the Wesley Guitar!
> >
> > Keep a closed mind and automatically reject what someone else has
> found, and you Gain NOTHING. Bottom-line including all parts and
> mod's, this Wesley has set me back LESS than $350.!! (and is described
> by members of my band as blowing away $4,000+ vintage Fender axes!!).
> And, yes, it plays as well as any Fender in my experience!
> >
> > If you'd like, click on the following link, which will take you to
> Wesley's web page regarding their "San Diego" model.
> >
> >
>
> (This links to their San Diego in Metallic Blue)
> >
> >
>
> (This links to their San Diego in Metallic Red)
> >
> > BTW, after hearing how I sounded playing this "cheap imitation"
> Jazzmaster, that you'll probably also dismiss without a fair trial,
> Tyler, our 3rd guitarist, gave me the $260 in cash to order one for
> him! Suddenly, after 15 years, Ty ain't so sure anymore that his
> Jaguar is really the ultimate Surf Axe!! But, then again, Tyler's
> ears told him everything he needed to know in making that decision!!
> Ya shoulda been there Greg!!
> >
> > Bruce D
> >
> > Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> > Of course it is compared to a Jaguar because they have chrome plates.
> > If a guitar has chrome plates it must be trying to be a Jaguar.
> > Especially with the P-90s.
> >
> > --- InurfGuitar01@y..., "Gregory Nicoll"
> > <gregorynicoll@h...> wrote:
> > > Gosh, the seller even declares it's "as goog as any Jaguar" so how
> > > can ya go wrong?
> > >
> > > Be sure to buy a nice Crate amplifer to go with it. They're
probably
> > > just as goog as any Dual Showman.
> > >
> > > LOL
> > >
> > > --<G>
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > IMHO, This links you to an awesomely well-made, twang-machine
that
> > > goes for $253.00 USD, shipped, with a Lifetime Warranty, and
> > > definitely LOOKS the part as well!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > ViewItem&item=7337780159&category=64403&rd=1
> > > >
> > > > Shawn Martin <drumuitar@y...> wrote:
> > > > Anyone play one of these? Looks like it could be a killer surf
> > > axe:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > type3-
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Here's a real reply to Shawn's question -
my experience with Italia guitars is that they look really cool,
play pretty well, and are heavy as Hell... all that moto and pearl
and plastic really weigh them down. I have gotten to play two
different models, one was the heaviest guitar I've ever held in my
hands. Really cool looking - maybe the coolest looking 'flash'
guitars I've ever seen.
Chris
--- In , "Shawn Martin"
<drumuitar@y...> wrote:
> --- In , John Brownlow <lists@j...>
wrote:
> > You must feel pretty dumb having all those shitty Fenders on
your wall.
> >
>
>
> I asked a question about an Italia guitar and this has turned into
a
> pissing match regarding Jay Turser. I feel like I'm back on
Usenet.
>
>
> Shawn Martin
>
>
> Life is short. Play for the music. Wear your heart on your
sleeve.
>
> So I wouldn't get a big head, I was given the gift of a handicap to
> keep me in constant touch with my limitations
> -Apostle Paul
--- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@g...>
wrote:
> Guys, guys, guys...
>
> Well I won't speak for Greg, but I took his posting as "humor". He
>was
> riffing off the ebay ad that spelled "good" as "goog". Did you miss
> that Bruce? I don't think he was dismissing your post at all.
>
Brian, yes! Exactly! I was simply making fun of a very silly
spelling error in the eBay ad, and then Bruce flew off the handle
with that mean-spirited 2000 word "comeback" to what he apparently
thought was a personal attack.
<huge, tortured sigh>
I guess this group is no googer than the others after all....
--GN
P.S. I'm dialing up Paul Vandervort right now!
But, Greg, it IS googer, IT IS GOOGER!!!! That doesn't happen
often...
Ivan
--- In , "Gregory Nicoll"
<gregorynicoll@h...> wrote:
> --- In , "Brian Neal" <bgneal@g...>
> wrote:
> > Guys, guys, guys...
> >
> > Well I won't speak for Greg, but I took his posting as "humor".
He
> >was
> > riffing off the ebay ad that spelled "good" as "goog". Did you
miss
> > that Bruce? I don't think he was dismissing your post at all.
> >
>
> Brian, yes! Exactly! I was simply making fun of a very silly
> spelling error in the eBay ad, and then Bruce flew off the handle
> with that mean-spirited 2000 word "comeback" to what he apparently
> thought was a personal attack.
>
> <huge, tortured sigh>
>
> I guess this group is no googer than the others after all....
>
> --GN
>
> P.S. I'm dialing up Paul Vandervort right now!
Mean-Spirited? Oh Puhleeeeze!!!!
>
and then Bruce flew off the handle
> with that mean-spirited 2000 word "comeback" to what he apparently
> thought was a personal attack.
>
>
>
> P.S. I'm dialing up Paul Vandervort right now!
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Let me address these two earlier postings, individually:
1) Shawn - I've either played or knew someone who has played most of these
newer "surfy" Italian guitars. Most of them aren't especially suitable for
various reasons, including, heavy weight, as was mentioned here by another
poster, or problematic quality, (something that's been going on for decades), or
because they put humbucking pickups in a guitar that looks like it would be
perfect for surf music.
Since I've had direct experience with some of the even lower-priced but equally
surfy-looking and more importantly, surfy-sounding guitars from Jay Turser and
Wesley, I thought, since you were asking, that you might appreciate hearing of
these more reasonable alternatives. Sorry if the discussion ended up rattling
your cage! I truly meant no offense!
2) John, why bother with such an insulting and offensive comment? Feel Dumb?
No way! - these guitars are all worth substantially more than I paid for them,
so they've been an appreciating asset hanging on my music room wall. Whether or
not I choose to play one particular axe over another, is my choice and
preference, but that's based on nearly 40 years of being a guitarist, and having
been on a tone-quest for most of those years.
Since the critical response we've received to our CD's has been overwhelmingly
positive, (up to and including Phil Dirt's reviews), and people are constantly
telling me how cool my lead guitar sounds, at our live gigs, I feel that the
choices I've made have been right-on. Out of a community-oriented, generous
spirit, I sometimes feel moved to mention these very gentle-on-the-budget
alternatives, because when Longboard Ranch started, nearly 7 years ago, money
was a BIG issue to my ability to play the kind of gear I wanted to, and had
these guitar alternatives been available, and someone had mentioned them to me,
I would have been deeply appreciative.
It seems rather mean-spirited to make this kind of negative commment, and
totally ignore the positive aspect of what I was trying to say in my postings.
Maybe it's just as dangerous to discuss alternative guitars here as it would be
to launch into a discussion about religion with a group of fundamentalists! I'm
truly sorry if my efforts to share some rather cool discoveries, caused offense
and dismay to Fender fundamentalists! I'm also sorry if my radical ideas happen
to gore anyone's sacred cow, such as the Fender Jaguar.
'umbly,.
Bruce D
--- In , "Shawn Martin"
<drumuitar@y...> wrote:
> --- In , John Brownlow lists@j...
wrote:
> > You must feel pretty dumb having all those shitty Fenders on
your wall.
> >
>
>
> I asked a question about an Italia guitar and this has turned into
a
> pissing match regarding Jay Turser. I feel like I'm back on
Usenet.
>
>
> Shawn Martin
>
>
> Life is short. Play for the music. Wear your heart on your
sleeve.
>
> So I wouldn't get a big head, I was given the gift of a handicap to
> keep me in constant touch with my limitations
> -Apostle Paul
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Ah, so you were being positive!
And here's me thinking you were too impressed with yourself and had
some kind of bug up your ass.
I stand corrected. My sincere apologies. It won't happen again.
On Jul 21, 2005, at 1:07 AM, bruce duncan wrote:
> It seems rather mean-spirited to make this kind of negative
> commment, and totally ignore the positive aspect of what I was
> trying to say in my postings.
>
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To "turn down the heat" as you wrote Brian: Do you know other italian guitars
pretty accurate for surf music?
I recently bought a EKO, it was made during the sixties in Italy, for european
and american market too.
Vincent
> Guys, guys, guys...
>
> Well I won't speak for Greg, but I took his posting as "humor". He was
> riffing off the ebay ad that spelled "good" as "goog". Did you miss
> that Bruce? I don't think he was dismissing your post at all.
>
> Mr. Brownlow, your comment wasn't all that helpful in turning down the
> heat.
>
> Just a reminder to change the subject line if you go off on a tangent.
>
> To get back on topic, I for one also dug the looks of that Italia.
>
>
>
> BN
>
>
> --- In , "Shawn Martin"
> wrote:
> > --- In , John Brownlow wrote:
> > > You must feel pretty dumb having all those shitty Fenders on your
> wall.
> > >
> >
> >
> > I asked a question about an Italia guitar and this has turned into a
> > pissing match regarding Jay Turser. I feel like I'm back on Usenet.
> >
> >
> > Shawn Martin
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Yes, compared to you, absolutely I was being sharing and positive.
First of all, "shitty" was YOUR adjective, NOT mine.
Second, I never said anything about a "wall of Fenders" shitty or otherwise.
This you made up out of whole cloth.
Please take your "holier than thou" shenanigans elsewhere, or save them for
someone else who was actually looking for an argument.
I don't think there's anything wrong or negative in sharing the benefit of my
experience, in which the gear I own is definitely relevant to many of the points
I was making. You don't know me, you just made a bunch of shitty assumptions,
and then polluted the thread with your nasty posting.
I'm very particular about the sound I make as a surf guitarist - but I'm also
deeply humble and appreciative of the breaks that have landed my way. If I can
help some other guitarist to avoid some of the expensive mistakes I've made, WHY
NOT?
Bruce D
John Brownlow <> wrote:
Ah, so you were being positive!
And here's me thinking you were too impressed with yourself and had
some kind of bug up your ass.
I stand corrected. My sincere apologies. It won't happen again.
On Jul 21, 2005, at 1:07 AM, bruce duncan wrote:
> It seems rather mean-spirited to make this kind of negative
> commment, and totally ignore the positive aspect of what I was
> trying to say in my postings.
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--- In , bodiddley@v... wrote:
> To "turn down the heat" as you wrote Brian: Do you know other
>italian guitars pretty accurate for surf music?
> I recently bought a EKO, it was made during the sixties in Italy,
>for european and american market too.
> Vincent
Vincent,
I'm not sure if the guitar was Spanish or Italian (or for that
matter, Chinese), but there once was a cheap six-string called the
Goya, a delightfully off-the-wall instrument that the guys in
Dragline used for some of their rollickin' instrumentals in the
late '90s. The guy who played it, John Dunn, seemed to think it was
made in Italy.
Dragline probably put that Danelectro on the cover of their CD
because the Goya seemed way too alien, with its green paint and
bizarro combination of switches and dials.
BTW, The band's other guitarist played a Mosrite Bluesbender, which
was a weird Les Paul-styled solid body Mosrite from the '70s. His is
the only Bluesbender I've ever seen.
--GN
Music123.com has Italias...
The Modulo is $399 there.
For what it is worth, my friend had a red sparkle Italia Monza. It
didn't sound very pleasing or play very comfortably. It looked very
cool though.
Z
On 7/20/05, ipongrac <> wrote:
> For whatever it's worth, Shawn, I thought that Italia guitar was not
> just cool, but 'freakin' cool'! If I was remotely in the guitar
> market, I'd definitely be looking into it... Thanks for drawing our
> attention to it. (Do you know how much it costs?)
>
> Ivan
>
--- In , Zone Fighter <zonefighter@g...>
wrote:
> Music123.com has Italias...
>
> The Modulo is $399 there.
>
> For what it is worth, my friend had a red sparkle Italia Monza. It
> didn't sound very pleasing or play very comfortably. It looked very
> cool though.
Hey! The Italia model which they're calling the "Mondial Sportster" is
a copy of the Mosrite Bluesbender. Wow!
--GN
