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Anyone play one of these? Looks like it could be a killer surf axe:
IMHO, This links you to an awesomely well-made, twang-machine that goes for
$253.00 USD, shipped, with a Lifetime Warranty, and definitely LOOKS the part as
well!!
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Anyone play one of these? Looks like it could be a killer surf axe:
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On Jul 20, 2005, at 4:19 PM, bruce duncan wrote:
> IMHO, This links you to an awesomely well-made, twang-machine that
> goes for $253.00 USD, shipped, with a Lifetime Warranty, and
> definitely LOOKS the part as well!!
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Gosh, the seller even declares it's "as goog as any Jaguar" so how
can ya go wrong?
Be sure to buy a nice Crate amplifer to go with it. They're probably
just as goog as any Dual Showman.
LOL!
--<G>
--- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...>
wrote:
> IMHO, This links you to an awesomely well-made, twang-machine that
goes for $253.00 USD, shipped, with a Lifetime Warranty, and
definitely LOOKS the part as well!!
>
>
ViewItem&item=7337780159&category=64403&rd=1
>
> Shawn Martin <drumuitar@y...> wrote:
> Anyone play one of these? Looks like it could be a killer surf
axe:
>
>
>
type3-
red.JPG
Of course it is compared to a Jaguar because they have chrome plates.
If a guitar has chrome plates it must be trying to be a Jaguar.
Especially with the P-90s.
--- In , "Gregory Nicoll"
<gregorynicoll@h...> wrote:
> Gosh, the seller even declares it's "as goog as any Jaguar" so how
> can ya go wrong?
>
> Be sure to buy a nice Crate amplifer to go with it. They're probably
> just as goog as any Dual Showman.
>
> LOL!
>
> --<G>
>
>
> --- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...>
> wrote:
> > IMHO, This links you to an awesomely well-made, twang-machine that
> goes for $253.00 USD, shipped, with a Lifetime Warranty, and
> definitely LOOKS the part as well!!
> >
> >
> ViewItem&item=7337780159&category=64403&rd=1
> >
> > Shawn Martin <drumuitar@y...> wrote:
> > Anyone play one of these? Looks like it could be a killer surf
> axe:
> >
> >
> >
> type3-
> red.JPG
Greg and Jacob,
Actually, I'd suspect the Jay Turser sounds better than a Jaguar because the
P-90's will have a somewhat fatter, yet brighter sound than I've ever been able
to get out of a stock Jaguar. However, not having played it, I'll withhold
comment, because I believe without direct experience, one does not have the
right to voice either an endorsement or a rejection.
However, I will say that according to other guitarists, these Jay Turser guitars
represent some of the best value available in today's market. They are
extremely well-made, those P-90's are very decent sounding repros, and at $253
shipped, you can easily afford to budget more for a better vintage Fender amp
and Reverb Unit, than if you blew $1,200 on a AV Jaguar, or $2,500+ on an
original '60's Jag.
As a surf guitarist and surf-music writer who is VERY serious about his sound, I
keep both my ears and mind open at all times for guitars that will allow me to
get the best sound possible, for the lowest investment possible.
If you keep an open mind, and occasionally "think outside the box" (The Fender
orthodoxy box) you might actually pick up something useful and valuable to add
to your arsenal, as I have.
My band, Longboard Ranch, has gained the reputation of playing our Surf Music
extremely faithful to the original First Gen sound, created by bands such as The
Astronauts, The Lively Ones, The Sentinals, etc. (This definitely has not
happened by luck or accident Greg!) If you take the trouble, you can hear 8
full-length mp3's of our originals, at www.soundclick.com, and do a search by
"artist" for Longboard Ranch.
I have a collection of about 2 dozen '50's and '60's vintage Fender axes, as
well as several original Mosrites, various Mosrite copies, several Wilson Bros,
Ventures guitars from the $159 VM10 up to the $2,000 VCM2003. Several vintage
Vox and Harmony guitars as well, plus several modern Strats that have been
upgraded with either Lollar, Fralin, or Seymour Duncan Antiquity II Surf
Pickups, (which on Harmony Central, have been rhapsodically described as
achieving "The Holy Grail" sound for a surf Strat) plus Bill Lawrence pickups.
I've tried 'em all in order to attain the very best, truest Surf tones possible,
because I take our band, our music and our sound THAT seriously.
I have over 25 Fender amps, several of them Blackface, an original '64 Showman
with the original 2X15 JBL 130F speaker cab, a '65 Twin Reverb R/I converted to
a piggy-back style amp, several original Bandmaster heads, several Vibrolux
Reverbs, several Deluxe Reverbs, and several Princeton Reverbs. I have spent
literally hundreds of hours trying to find the most optimal combinations of
guitar/ReverbUnit/and Amp. And I would NEVER remotely consider any amp other
than an all-tube Fender!! Nor would I try to play authentic Surf Music without
a Tube Fender Reverb Unit, (I own 5 - 3 original vintage and 2 '63 Reissues).
(The crack about Crate amps was a cheap shot Gregory, and I'll bet you've never
even picked up one of these Tursers, but you sure are quick to dismiss it,
without having ever even tried it out! Talk about "knee-jerk" reactions!)
I seriously doubt that most "surf" guitarists out there, have invested more than
a tiny fraction of the money and time that I have in this effort. But since
I've gone to all this time, expense, and trouble, it seems to me, that my
"opinions" regarding a certain guitar/amp set-up, might be deserving of some
objective, non-judgmental consideration out there instead of summary rejection!
Now, if you'd actually played the guitar in question, and found it not to your
liking, at least you'd be basing your reaction on a tangible personal
experience. But you never did this, did you?
Another recent guitar, the Wesley San Diego Electric, looks like a cross
between Jazzmaster and Stratocaster. With a solid-alder body and very usable
electronics and hardware, this guitar cost me $260 SHIPPED from the UK. After
my new Wesley arrived, I did my normal modifications, of replacing the Asian
hardware, (new Kluson tuners, Fender Vintage R/I bridge with Callaham forged
steel trem-block, Fender 57/62 R/I pickups, wired to get ALL combinations, with
the bottom knob functioning as Master Tone for all 3 pickups).
At our very next Longboard Ranch rehearsal, and at the LA Zoo gig which
followed, I played the Wesley. The reason I used the Wesley at the gig, was
that at the prior rehearsal, the rest of the band members were SO extremely
enthusiastic about the SOUND of that guitar!
Our drummer, Doug, a 40+ year surf music fan, our second guitar, Loyd Davis,
(formerly of The Surf Raiders) our 3rd guitar, Tyler Diesso, (whose main axe for
15 years has been an original vintage '62 Jaguar, played through a Blackface
Fender Reverb Unit, into an original '65 Pro Reverb), all took the trouble to
comment very positively on how much they liked the sound of my new guitar. Doug
said he felt it was the best sounding SURF guitar he's ever heard me play, and
with a collection like I've described above, that is a pretty darned powerful
statement in favor of the Wesley Guitar!
Keep a closed mind and automatically reject what someone else has found, and you
Gain NOTHING. Bottom-line including all parts and mod's, this Wesley has set
me back LESS than $350.!! (and is described by members of my band as blowing
away $4,000+ vintage Fender axes!!). And, yes, it plays as well as any Fender
in my experience!
If you'd like, click on the following link, which will take you to Wesley's web
page regarding their "San Diego" model. (This links to their San Diego in Metallic Blue) (This links to their San Diego in Metallic Red)
BTW, after hearing how I sounded playing this "cheap imitation" Jazzmaster, that
you'll probably also dismiss without a fair trial, Tyler, our 3rd guitarist,
gave me the $260 in cash to order one for him! Suddenly, after 15 years, Ty
ain't so sure anymore that his Jaguar is really the ultimate Surf Axe!! But,
then again, Tyler's ears told him everything he needed to know in making that
decision!! Ya shoulda been there Greg!!
Bruce D
Jacob Dobner <> wrote:
Of course it is compared to a Jaguar because they have chrome plates.
If a guitar has chrome plates it must be trying to be a Jaguar.
Especially with the P-90s.
--- , "Gregory Nicoll"
<gregorynicoll@h...> wrote:
> Gosh, the seller even declares it's "as goog as any Jaguar" so how
> can ya go wrong?
>
> Be sure to buy a nice Crate amplifer to go with it. They're probably
> just as goog as any Dual Showman.
>
> LOL
>
> --<G>
>
>
> --- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...>
> wrote:
> > IMHO, This links you to an awesomely well-made, twang-machine that
> goes for $253.00 USD, shipped, with a Lifetime Warranty, and
> definitely LOOKS the part as well!!
> >
> >
> ViewItem&item=7337780159&category=64403&rd=1
> >
> > Shawn Martin <drumuitar@y...> wrote:
> > Anyone play one of these? Looks like it could be a killer surf
> axe:
> >
> >
> >
> type3-
> red.JPG
.
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You must feel pretty dumb having all those shitty Fenders on your wall.
On Jul 20, 2005, at 6:54 PM, bruce duncan wrote:
> Greg and Jacob,
>
> Actually, I'd suspect the Jay Turser sounds better than a Jaguar
> because the P-90's will have a somewhat fatter, yet brighter sound
> than I've ever been able to get out of a stock Jaguar. However,
> not having played it, I'll withhold comment, because I believe
> without direct experience, one does not have the right to voice
> either an endorsement or a rejection.
>
> However, I will say that according to other guitarists, these Jay
> Turser guitars represent some of the best value available in
> today's market. They are extremely well-made, those P-90's are
> very decent sounding repros, and at $253 shipped, you can easily
> afford to budget more for a better vintage Fender amp and Reverb
> Unit, than if you blew $1,200 on a AV Jaguar, or $2,500+ on an
> original '60's Jag.
>
> As a surf guitarist and surf-music writer who is VERY serious about
> his sound, I keep both my ears and mind open at all times for
> guitars that will allow me to get the best sound possible, for the
> lowest investment possible.
>
> If you keep an open mind, and occasionally "think outside the
> box" (The Fender orthodoxy box) you might actually pick up
> something useful and valuable to add to your arsenal, as I have.
>
> My band, Longboard Ranch, has gained the reputation of playing our
> Surf Music extremely faithful to the original First Gen sound,
> created by bands such as The Astronauts, The Lively Ones, The
> Sentinals, etc. (This definitely has not happened by luck or
> accident Greg!) If you take the trouble, you can hear 8 full-
> length mp3's of our originals, at www.soundclick.com, and do a
> search by "artist" for Longboard Ranch.
>
> I have a collection of about 2 dozen '50's and '60's vintage Fender
> axes, as well as several original Mosrites, various Mosrite copies,
> several Wilson Bros, Ventures guitars from the $159 VM10 up to the
> $2,000 VCM2003. Several vintage Vox and Harmony guitars as well,
> plus several modern Strats that have been upgraded with either
> Lollar, Fralin, or Seymour Duncan Antiquity II Surf Pickups, (which
> on Harmony Central, have been rhapsodically described as achieving
> "The Holy Grail" sound for a surf Strat) plus Bill Lawrence
> pickups. I've tried 'em all in order to attain the very best,
> truest Surf tones possible, because I take our band, our music and
> our sound THAT seriously.
>
> I have over 25 Fender amps, several of them Blackface, an original
> '64 Showman with the original 2X15 JBL 130F speaker cab, a '65 Twin
> Reverb R/I converted to a piggy-back style amp, several original
> Bandmaster heads, several Vibrolux Reverbs, several Deluxe Reverbs,
> and several Princeton Reverbs. I have spent literally hundreds of
> hours trying to find the most optimal combinations of guitar/
> ReverbUnit/and Amp. And I would NEVER remotely consider any amp
> other than an all-tube Fender!! Nor would I try to play authentic
> Surf Music without a Tube Fender Reverb Unit, (I own 5 - 3 original
> vintage and 2 '63 Reissues).
>
> (The crack about Crate amps was a cheap shot Gregory, and I'll bet
> you've never even picked up one of these Tursers, but you sure are
> quick to dismiss it, without having ever even tried it out! Talk
> about "knee-jerk" reactions!)
>
> I seriously doubt that most "surf" guitarists out there, have
> invested more than a tiny fraction of the money and time that I
> have in this effort. But since I've gone to all this time,
> expense, and trouble, it seems to me, that my "opinions" regarding
> a certain guitar/amp set-up, might be deserving of some objective,
> non-judgmental consideration out there instead of summary
> rejection! Now, if you'd actually played the guitar in question,
> and found it not to your liking, at least you'd be basing your
> reaction on a tangible personal experience. But you never did
> this, did you?
>
> Another recent guitar, the Wesley San Diego Electric, looks like a
> cross between Jazzmaster and Stratocaster. With a solid-alder body
> and very usable electronics and hardware, this guitar cost me $260
> SHIPPED from the UK. After my new Wesley arrived, I did my normal
> modifications, of replacing the Asian hardware, (new Kluson tuners,
> Fender Vintage R/I bridge with Callaham forged steel trem-block,
> Fender 57/62 R/I pickups, wired to get ALL combinations, with the
> bottom knob functioning as Master Tone for all 3 pickups).
>
> At our very next Longboard Ranch rehearsal, and at the LA Zoo gig
> which followed, I played the Wesley. The reason I used the Wesley
> at the gig, was that at the prior rehearsal, the rest of the band
> members were SO extremely enthusiastic about the SOUND of that guitar!
> Our drummer, Doug, a 40+ year surf music fan, our second guitar,
> Loyd Davis, (formerly of The Surf Raiders) our 3rd guitar, Tyler
> Diesso, (whose main axe for 15 years has been an original vintage
> '62 Jaguar, played through a Blackface Fender Reverb Unit, into an
> original '65 Pro Reverb), all took the trouble to comment very
> positively on how much they liked the sound of my new guitar. Doug
> said he felt it was the best sounding SURF guitar he's ever heard
> me play, and with a collection like I've described above, that is a
> pretty darned powerful statement in favor of the Wesley Guitar!
>
> Keep a closed mind and automatically reject what someone else has
> found, and you Gain NOTHING. Bottom-line including all parts and
> mod's, this Wesley has set me back LESS than $350.!! (and is
> described by members of my band as blowing away $4,000+ vintage
> Fender axes!!). And, yes, it plays as well as any Fender in my
> experience!
>
> If you'd like, click on the following link, which will take you to
> Wesley's web page regarding their "San Diego" model.
>
>
> DeluxeSFItemDetail.aspx?sid=1&sfid=44184&c=282695&i=27543056
> (This links to their San Diego in Metallic Blue)
>
>
> DeluxeSFItemDetail.aspx?sid=1&sfid=44184&c=282695&i=27978516
> (This links to their San Diego in Metallic Red)
>
> BTW, after hearing how I sounded playing this "cheap imitation"
> Jazzmaster, that you'll probably also dismiss without a fair trial,
> Tyler, our 3rd guitarist, gave me the $260 in cash to order one for
> him! Suddenly, after 15 years, Ty ain't so sure anymore that his
> Jaguar is really the ultimate Surf Axe!! But, then again, Tyler's
> ears told him everything he needed to know in making that
> decision!! Ya shoulda been there Greg!!
>
> Bruce D
>
> Jacob Dobner <> wrote:
> Of course it is compared to a Jaguar because they have chrome plates.
> If a guitar has chrome plates it must be trying to be a Jaguar.
> Especially with the P-90s.
>
> --- , "Gregory Nicoll"
> <gregorynicoll@h...> wrote:
>
>> Gosh, the seller even declares it's "as goog as any Jaguar" so how
>> can ya go wrong?
>>
>> Be sure to buy a nice Crate amplifer to go with it. They're probably
>> just as goog as any Dual Showman.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> --<G>
>>
>>
>> --- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> IMHO, This links you to an awesomely well-made, twang-machine that
>>>
>> goes for $253.00 USD, shipped, with a Lifetime Warranty, and
>> definitely LOOKS the part as well!!
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ViewItem&item=7337780159&category=64403&rd=1
>>
>>>
>>> Shawn Martin <drumuitar@y...> wrote:
>>> Anyone play one of these? Looks like it could be a killer surf
>>>
>> axe:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> type3-
>> red.JPG
>>
>
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You can't say the Turser may sound better than a Jaguar because it has
P-90s. You could say you prefer the sound of P-90s over a Jaguar pickup.
--- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...> wrote:
> Greg and Jacob,
>
> Actually, I'd suspect the Jay Turser sounds better than a Jaguar
because the P-90's will have a somewhat fatter, yet brighter sound
than I've ever been able to get out of a stock Jaguar. However, not
having played it, I'll withhold comment, because I believe without
direct experience, one does not have the right to voice either an
endorsement or a rejection.
>
> However, I will say that according to other guitarists, these Jay
Turser guitars represent some of the best value available in today's
market. They are extremely well-made, those P-90's are very decent
sounding repros, and at $253 shipped, you can easily afford to budget
more for a better vintage Fender amp and Reverb Unit, than if you blew
$1,200 on a AV Jaguar, or $2,500+ on an original '60's Jag.
>
> As a surf guitarist and surf-music writer who is VERY serious about
his sound, I keep both my ears and mind open at all times for guitars
that will allow me to get the best sound possible, for the lowest
investment possible.
>
> If you keep an open mind, and occasionally "think outside the box"
(The Fender orthodoxy box) you might actually pick up something useful
and valuable to add to your arsenal, as I have.
>
> My band, Longboard Ranch, has gained the reputation of playing our
Surf Music extremely faithful to the original First Gen sound, created
by bands such as The Astronauts, The Lively Ones, The Sentinals, etc.
(This definitely has not happened by luck or accident Greg!) If you
take the trouble, you can hear 8 full-length mp3's of our originals,
at www.soundclick.com, and do a search by "artist" for Longboard Ranch.
>
> I have a collection of about 2 dozen '50's and '60's vintage Fender
axes, as well as several original Mosrites, various Mosrite copies,
several Wilson Bros, Ventures guitars from the $159 VM10 up to the
$2,000 VCM2003. Several vintage Vox and Harmony guitars as well, plus
several modern Strats that have been upgraded with either Lollar,
Fralin, or Seymour Duncan Antiquity II Surf Pickups, (which on Harmony
Central, have been rhapsodically described as achieving "The Holy
Grail" sound for a surf Strat) plus Bill Lawrence pickups. I've tried
'em all in order to attain the very best, truest Surf tones possible,
because I take our band, our music and our sound THAT seriously.
>
> I have over 25 Fender amps, several of them Blackface, an original
'64 Showman with the original 2X15 JBL 130F speaker cab, a '65 Twin
Reverb R/I converted to a piggy-back style amp, several original
Bandmaster heads, several Vibrolux Reverbs, several Deluxe Reverbs,
and several Princeton Reverbs. I have spent literally hundreds of
hours trying to find the most optimal combinations of
guitar/ReverbUnit/and Amp. And I would NEVER remotely consider any
amp other than an all-tube Fender!! Nor would I try to play authentic
Surf Music without a Tube Fender Reverb Unit, (I own 5 - 3 original
vintage and 2 '63 Reissues).
>
> (The crack about Crate amps was a cheap shot Gregory, and I'll bet
you've never even picked up one of these Tursers, but you sure are
quick to dismiss it, without having ever even tried it out! Talk about
"knee-jerk" reactions!)
>
> I seriously doubt that most "surf" guitarists out there, have
invested more than a tiny fraction of the money and time that I have
in this effort. But since I've gone to all this time, expense, and
trouble, it seems to me, that my "opinions" regarding a certain
guitar/amp set-up, might be deserving of some objective,
non-judgmental consideration out there instead of summary rejection!
Now, if you'd actually played the guitar in question, and found it not
to your liking, at least you'd be basing your reaction on a tangible
personal experience. But you never did this, did you?
>
> Another recent guitar, the Wesley San Diego Electric, looks like a
cross between Jazzmaster and Stratocaster. With a solid-alder body
and very usable electronics and hardware, this guitar cost me $260
SHIPPED from the UK. After my new Wesley arrived, I did my normal
modifications, of replacing the Asian hardware, (new Kluson tuners,
Fender Vintage R/I bridge with Callaham forged steel trem-block,
Fender 57/62 R/I pickups, wired to get ALL combinations, with the
bottom knob functioning as Master Tone for all 3 pickups).
>
> At our very next Longboard Ranch rehearsal, and at the LA Zoo gig
which followed, I played the Wesley. The reason I used the Wesley at
the gig, was that at the prior rehearsal, the rest of the band members
were SO extremely enthusiastic about the SOUND of that guitar!
> Our drummer, Doug, a 40+ year surf music fan, our second guitar,
Loyd Davis, (formerly of The Surf Raiders) our 3rd guitar, Tyler
Diesso, (whose main axe for 15 years has been an original vintage '62
Jaguar, played through a Blackface Fender Reverb Unit, into an
original '65 Pro Reverb), all took the trouble to comment very
positively on how much they liked the sound of my new guitar. Doug
said he felt it was the best sounding SURF guitar he's ever heard me
play, and with a collection like I've described above, that is a
pretty darned powerful statement in favor of the Wesley Guitar!
>
> Keep a closed mind and automatically reject what someone else has
found, and you Gain NOTHING. Bottom-line including all parts and
mod's, this Wesley has set me back LESS than $350.!! (and is described
by members of my band as blowing away $4,000+ vintage Fender axes!!).
And, yes, it plays as well as any Fender in my experience!
>
> If you'd like, click on the following link, which will take you to
Wesley's web page regarding their "San Diego" model.
>
>
(This links to their San Diego in Metallic Blue)
>
>
(This links to their San Diego in Metallic Red)
>
> BTW, after hearing how I sounded playing this "cheap imitation"
Jazzmaster, that you'll probably also dismiss without a fair trial,
Tyler, our 3rd guitarist, gave me the $260 in cash to order one for
him! Suddenly, after 15 years, Ty ain't so sure anymore that his
Jaguar is really the ultimate Surf Axe!! But, then again, Tyler's
ears told him everything he needed to know in making that decision!!
Ya shoulda been there Greg!!
>
> Bruce D
>
> Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> Of course it is compared to a Jaguar because they have chrome plates.
> If a guitar has chrome plates it must be trying to be a Jaguar.
> Especially with the P-90s.
>
> --- InurfGuitar01@y..., "Gregory Nicoll"
> <gregorynicoll@h...> wrote:
> > Gosh, the seller even declares it's "as goog as any Jaguar" so how
> > can ya go wrong?
> >
> > Be sure to buy a nice Crate amplifer to go with it. They're probably
> > just as goog as any Dual Showman.
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > --<G>
> >
> >
> > --- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > IMHO, This links you to an awesomely well-made, twang-machine that
> > goes for $253.00 USD, shipped, with a Lifetime Warranty, and
> > definitely LOOKS the part as well!!
> > >
> > >
> > ViewItem&item=7337780159&category=64403&rd=1
> > >
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> > > Anyone play one of these? Looks like it could be a killer surf
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--- In , John Brownlow <lists@j...> wrote:
> You must feel pretty dumb having all those shitty Fenders on your wall.
>
I asked a question about an Italia guitar and this has turned into a
pissing match regarding Jay Turser. I feel like I'm back on Usenet.
Shawn Martin
Life is short. Play for the music. Wear your heart on your sleeve.
So I wouldn't get a big head, I was given the gift of a handicap to
keep me in constant touch with my limitations
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--- In , "Shawn Martin" <drumuitar@y...>
wrote:
> I asked a question about an Italia guitar and this has turned into a
> pissing match regarding Jay Turser. I feel like I'm back on Usenet.
For whatever it's worth, Shawn, I thought that Italia guitar was not
just cool, but 'freakin' cool'! If I was remotely in the guitar
market, I'd definitely be looking into it... Thanks for drawing our
attention to it. (Do you know how much it costs?)
Ivan
--- In , "Shawn Martin" <drumuitar@y...>
wrote:
> I asked a question about an Italia guitar and this has turned into a
> pissing match regarding Jay Turser. I feel like I'm back on Usenet.
>
>
> Shawn Martin
>
An Italian website had one listed at $399.
I seem to recall Guitar One reviewing one of these recently, and they
had some pretty nice things to say about it. You could try searching
their archives--www.guitarone.com
-Warren.
--- In , "Shawn Martin" <drumuitar@y...>
> wrote:
>
> > I asked a question about an Italia guitar and this has turned into a
> > pissing match regarding Jay Turser. I feel like I'm back on Usenet.
Oops--wrong link.
The correct one is www.guitaronemag.com
Sorry,
-Warren
Guys, guys, guys...
Well I won't speak for Greg, but I took his posting as "humor". He was
riffing off the ebay ad that spelled "good" as "goog". Did you miss
that Bruce? I don't think he was dismissing your post at all.
Mr. Brownlow, your comment wasn't all that helpful in turning down the
heat.
Just a reminder to change the subject line if you go off on a tangent.
To get back on topic, I for one also dug the looks of that Italia.
<deep breath everyone>
BN
--- In , "Shawn Martin" <drumuitar@y...>
wrote:
> --- In , John Brownlow <lists@j...> wrote:
> > You must feel pretty dumb having all those shitty Fenders on your
wall.
> >
>
>
> I asked a question about an Italia guitar and this has turned into a
> pissing match regarding Jay Turser. I feel like I'm back on Usenet.
>
>
> Shawn Martin
--- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...>
wrote:
> Greg and Jacob,
>
> Actually, I'd suspect the Jay Turser sounds better than a Jaguar
because the P-90's will have a somewhat fatter, yet brighter sound
than I've ever been able to get out of a stock Jaguar. However, not
having played it, I'll withhold comment, because I believe without
direct experience, one does not have the right to voice either an
endorsement or a rejection.
Better than a Jaguar? P90s are great pickups, but I have to
disagree with them sounding better than a Jaguar.
>
> However, I will say that according to other guitarists, these Jay
Turser guitars represent some of the best value available in today's
market. They are extremely well-made, those P-90's are very decent
sounding repros, and at $253 shipped, you can easily afford to
budget more for a better vintage Fender amp and Reverb Unit, than if
you blew $1,200 on a AV Jaguar, or $2,500+ on an original '60's Jag.
Anyone who spends 1200 on an AV Jaguar is an idiot! Jacob what did
you spend on yours? And, vintage Jaguars can be found for under
$2500.
Bill
I got my AV Jag for $700 all because it had been rescued from Fiesta
Red to Burgundy Mist. Below are pictures of my Jags.
--- In , "supertwangreverb"
<supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> --- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...>
> wrote:
>
> Anyone who spends 1200 on an AV Jaguar is an idiot! Jacob what did
> you spend on yours? And, vintage Jaguars can be found for under
> $2500.
>
> Bill
Isn't the description "better" a matter of subjective taste? Your taste and
mine may be different, which is OK, but our 3rd guitarist, who's been playing an
original '62 Jaguar for 15 years, heard me playing one of my "cheapo" modified
guitars, and shoved the cash in my hand to get him one exactly the same. So,
there's a considerable amount of room here for differing views IMHO.
And, I dunno what sources you're privy to, but I haven't seen an AV Jag go for
much less than $900 at any time on e-bay, which would be the main alternative to
spending $1,200 for a new one. $900 is still triple what I was talking about
for my new "Surf Monster". And unless you're willing to settle for an original
Jaguar with compromised originality, (i.e. less-than-professional refin, or a
badly relic'ed original finish, you'll find $2,500 is about right for one that
is totally original and in at least "Excellent" condition.
Regards,
Bruce D
supertwangreverb <> wrote:
--- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...>
wrote:
> Greg and Jacob,
>
> Actually, I'd suspect the Jay Turser sounds better than a Jaguar
because the P-90's will have a somewhat fatter, yet brighter sound
than I've ever been able to get out of a stock Jaguar. However, not
having played it, I'll withhold comment, because I believe without
direct experience, one does not have the right to voice either an
endorsement or a rejection.
Better than a Jaguar? P90s are great pickups, but I have to
disagree with them sounding better than a Jaguar.
>
> However, I will say that according to other guitarists, these Jay
Turser guitars represent some of the best value available in today's
market. They are extremely well-made, those P-90's are very decent
sounding repros, and at $253 shipped, you can easily afford to
budget more for a better vintage Fender amp and Reverb Unit, than if
you blew $1,200 on a AV Jaguar, or $2,500+ on an original '60's Jag.
Anyone who spends 1200 on an AV Jaguar is an idiot! Jacob what did
you spend on yours? And, vintage Jaguars can be found for under
$2500.
Bill
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You are calling out Bill for using the term better when you just used
it 30 mintues ago to say the P-90s are better than Jaguar pickups.
--- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...> wrote:
> Isn't the description "better" a matter of subjective taste? Your
taste and mine may be different, which is OK, but our 3rd guitarist,
who's been playing an original '62 Jaguar for 15 years, heard me
playing one of my "cheapo" modified guitars, and shoved the cash in my
hand to get him one exactly the same. So, there's a considerable
amount of room here for differing views IMHO.
>
> And, I dunno what sources you're privy to, but I haven't seen an AV
Jag go for much less than $900 at any time on e-bay, which would be
the main alternative to spending $1,200 for a new one. $900 is still
triple what I was talking about for my new "Surf Monster". And unless
you're willing to settle for an original Jaguar with compromised
originality, (i.e. less-than-professional refin, or a badly relic'ed
original finish, you'll find $2,500 is about right for one that is
totally original and in at least "Excellent" condition.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bruce D
>
> supertwangreverb <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> --- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...>
> wrote:
> > Greg and Jacob,
> >
> > Actually, I'd suspect the Jay Turser sounds better than a Jaguar
> because the P-90's will have a somewhat fatter, yet brighter sound
> than I've ever been able to get out of a stock Jaguar. However, not
> having played it, I'll withhold comment, because I believe without
> direct experience, one does not have the right to voice either an
> endorsement or a rejection.
>
> Better than a Jaguar? P90s are great pickups, but I have to
> disagree with them sounding better than a Jaguar.
>
>
> >
> > However, I will say that according to other guitarists, these Jay
> Turser guitars represent some of the best value available in today's
> market. They are extremely well-made, those P-90's are very decent
> sounding repros, and at $253 shipped, you can easily afford to
> budget more for a better vintage Fender amp and Reverb Unit, than if
> you blew $1,200 on a AV Jaguar, or $2,500+ on an original '60's Jag.
>
>
> Anyone who spends 1200 on an AV Jaguar is an idiot! Jacob what did
> you spend on yours? And, vintage Jaguars can be found for under
> $2500.
>
> Bill
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Cool it Jacob!
No one was "calling out" anyone. Saying that the term "better" is one of
personal taste, is just a factual and totally inoffensive statement, unless
somehow semantics have changed 180 degrees from what I was taught!
Peace,
Bruce D
Jacob Dobner <> wrote:
You are calling out Bill for using the term better when you just used
it 30 mintues ago to say the P-90s are better than Jaguar pickups.
--- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...> wrote:
> Isn't the description "better" a matter of subjective taste? Your
taste and mine may be different, which is OK, but our 3rd guitarist,
who's been playing an original '62 Jaguar for 15 years, heard me
playing one of my "cheapo" modified guitars, and shoved the cash in my
hand to get him one exactly the same. So, there's a considerable
amount of room here for differing views IMHO.
>
> And, I dunno what sources you're privy to, but I haven't seen an AV
Jag go for much less than $900 at any time on e-bay, which would be
the main alternative to spending $1,200 for a new one. $900 is still
triple what I was talking about for my new "Surf Monster". And unless
you're willing to settle for an original Jaguar with compromised
originality, (i.e. less-than-professional refin, or a badly relic'ed
original finish, you'll find $2,500 is about right for one that is
totally original and in at least "Excellent" condition.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bruce D
>
> supertwangreverb <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> --- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...>
> wrote:
> > Greg and Jacob,
> >
> > Actually, I'd suspect the Jay Turser sounds better than a Jaguar
> because the P-90's will have a somewhat fatter, yet brighter sound
> than I've ever been able to get out of a stock Jaguar. However, not
> having played it, I'll withhold comment, because I believe without
> direct experience, one does not have the right to voice either an
> endorsement or a rejection.
>
> Better than a Jaguar? P90s are great pickups, but I have to
> disagree with them sounding better than a Jaguar.
>
>
> >
> > However, I will say that according to other guitarists, these Jay
> Turser guitars represent some of the best value available in today's
> market. They are extremely well-made, those P-90's are very decent
> sounding repros, and at $253 shipped, you can easily afford to
> budget more for a better vintage Fender amp and Reverb Unit, than if
> you blew $1,200 on a AV Jaguar, or $2,500+ on an original '60's Jag.
>
>
> Anyone who spends 1200 on an AV Jaguar is an idiot! Jacob what did
> you spend on yours? And, vintage Jaguars can be found for under
> $2500.
>
> Bill
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I am cool? Read my post completely dry and that is how I thought of it.
--- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...> wrote:
> Cool it Jacob!
>
> No one was "calling out" anyone. Saying that the term "better" is
one of personal taste, is just a factual and totally inoffensive
statement, unless somehow semantics have changed 180 degrees from what
I was taught!
>
> Peace,
>
> Bruce D
>
> Jacob Dobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> You are calling out Bill for using the term better when you just used
> it 30 mintues ago to say the P-90s are better than Jaguar pickups.
>
> --- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...>
wrote:
> > Isn't the description "better" a matter of subjective taste? Your
> taste and mine may be different, which is OK, but our 3rd guitarist,
> who's been playing an original '62 Jaguar for 15 years, heard me
> playing one of my "cheapo" modified guitars, and shoved the cash in my
> hand to get him one exactly the same. So, there's a considerable
> amount of room here for differing views IMHO.
> >
> > And, I dunno what sources you're privy to, but I haven't seen an AV
> Jag go for much less than $900 at any time on e-bay, which would be
> the main alternative to spending $1,200 for a new one. $900 is still
> triple what I was talking about for my new "Surf Monster". And unless
> you're willing to settle for an original Jaguar with compromised
> originality, (i.e. less-than-professional refin, or a badly relic'ed
> original finish, you'll find $2,500 is about right for one that is
> totally original and in at least "Excellent" condition.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bruce D
> >
> > supertwangreverb <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> > --- In , bruce duncan <wetreverb@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Greg and Jacob,
> > >
> > > Actually, I'd suspect the Jay Turser sounds better than a Jaguar
> > because the P-90's will have a somewhat fatter, yet brighter sound
> > than I've ever been able to get out of a stock Jaguar. However, not
> > having played it, I'll withhold comment, because I believe without
> > direct experience, one does not have the right to voice either an
> > endorsement or a rejection.
> >
> > Better than a Jaguar? P90s are great pickups, but I have to
> > disagree with them sounding better than a Jaguar.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > However, I will say that according to other guitarists, these Jay
> > Turser guitars represent some of the best value available in today's
> > market. They are extremely well-made, those P-90's are very decent
> > sounding repros, and at $253 shipped, you can easily afford to
> > budget more for a better vintage Fender amp and Reverb Unit, than if
> > you blew $1,200 on a AV Jaguar, or $2,500+ on an original '60's Jag.
> >
> >
> > Anyone who spends 1200 on an AV Jaguar is an idiot! Jacob what did
> > you spend on yours? And, vintage Jaguars can be found for under
> > $2500.
> >
> > Bill
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> And, I dunno what sources you're privy to, but I haven't seen an
AV Jag go for much less than $900 at any time on e-bay, which would
be the main alternative to spending $1,200 for a new one. $900 is
still triple what I was talking about for my new "Surf Monster".
And unless you're willing to settle for an original Jaguar with
compromised originality, (i.e. less-than-professional refin, or a
badly relic'ed original finish, you'll find $2,500 is about right
for one that is totally original and in at least "Excellent"
condition.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bruce D
Not privy to anything Bruce... just Ebay. Jacob's was 700.00 on
Ebay. Mine was 827.00 on Ebay as well. There's two examples right
there
Does the Jay Turser come with a strap, G&G Case, lead, and
washcloth? All that plus the quality of an AV Fender for under 900
bucks is pretty hard to beat.
I'm not trying to start a flame war. I just wanted to settle a few
points here.
BTW I wouldn't buy a totally mint vintage Jaguar! Why? When you can
find well working ones for right over a grand?
Bill
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