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I don't think anyone considers Flingel Bunt to be the best Shadows song. On the
other hand, it is an example of a song the Shadows wrote and for which they are
best known. The "Savage" is a better tune but The Shadows didn't write "The
Savage".
-Marty
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From: Brian Neal
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Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Ventures
jacobdobner wrote:
>Journey to the Stars is the absolute best. One of the best intstros
>ever written. I have never heard the Ventures version, to my
>knowledge, which is disappointing. I have heard the Man or Astro-Man?,
>Nebulas, and Space Cossacks version of it.
>
>
>
I didn't want to get into this, but here goes anyway:
Jacob, you gotta go buy "Ventures In Space". Where do you think MoAM?
got started from? That and their TV themes album. You can tell they were
a big influence on the early MoAM?
The Shadows never wrote Apache, Sleep Walk, Telstar, or Hawaii 5-0
either....
Jan Wenner is a guy.
The Shadows have a lot of great songs, I wouldn't consider Flingel Bunt
their best. Man of Mystery rocks pretty hard for an early 60's song. And
uh, what about The Savage? FBI, Frightened City, Gonzales, Atlantis,
Apache...not all of these rock hard, and they didn't write all of these,
but they are great songs and very well played. I think they make Flingel
Bunt look kind of pedestrian.
It does kind of rub me the wrong way that The Ventures seem to be trying
to get into the RnR HOF, but I don't loose any sleep over it. They are
the FREAKING Ventures after all. They should be in there, no doubt about it.
BN
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It isn't the American R&R Hall of Fame. It is the Rock and Roll Hall
of Fame. Any band can be inducted. It just happens to be based in the
US. Yes, the Shadows have earned it. So many bands have but will never
be recognized. Writing great songs should get a person in but that is
rarely the case. The Rock and Roll HOF is a board made of people
playing politics. Whoever sales records and still moves a good amount
of records will make it in. Ultimately it doesn't matter. Good music
will live on despite being in a HOF for music. The HOF is just a
gigantic tourist trap.
A HOF for such a wide range of music is impossible to run and still
accomendate all of those who qualify and should be in.
If there were a Instrumental Surf Rock Hall of Fame then there would
be no questions on the bands who would be inducted.
--- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...> wrote:
> Onto the question of The Shadows vs The Ventures -
>
> Jacob - your preferences aside, how in the world would one possibly
expect to see an act that was never promoted, never played on US
Top-40 Radio, and never sold more than a handful of records in the
U.S. - be inducted into an American Rock Hall of Fame?
>
> Have The Shadows earned it? Jacob, help me out here, I can't
remember, when was The Shadows' last U.S. Tour? Or how many times and
engagaements did they ever play in the U.S.?
>
> Bruce D
>
>
> jacobdobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
>
> Enither the Chantays or The Surfaris have been inducted into the Rock
> and Roll Hall of Fame. Good call. Both of those bands along with the
> Ventures are under 500 most important songs of all-time. But none of
> them are inducted.
>
> I prefer the Shadows of the Ventures any day. I think the Shadows
> should get in first. The Shadows wrote many more songs themselves. The
> Ventures sure did a lot of covers. Granted they wrote some great ones
> like Surf Rider. And whenever I look at a ventures albums I see a lot
> of Shadows covers.
>
> --- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...>
wrote:
> >
> > There's also a question of due-recognition and of the Hall of Fame
> being fair and accurate in such recognition. Many people have
> forgotten the name of the band, (The Chantays) who first recorded the
> song "Pipeline", but they got their induction into the R&R Hall of
> Fame, years ago, and were cited as having written and recorded one of
> the most influential Instrumental tunes of all time. Likewise the
> Surfaris, with "Wipe-Out".
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I have to go along with what has been mentioned hear before, the Ventures live
'65 version of "Journey to the Stars" is the one to hear if you haven't heard
any of their versions.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: jacobdobner
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:02 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Ventures
Journey to the Stars is the absolute best. One of the best intstros
ever written. I have never heard the Ventures version, to my
knowledge, which is disappointing. I have heard the Man or Astro-Man?,
Nebulas, and Space Cossacks version of it.
And Rolling Stone is the anti-christ of the music biz magazines.
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The Ventures have also been featured in a similar manner at the RRHOF
Museum, and as well, this does not mean they were inducted into the RRHOF
-Marty
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From: "bruce d" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Ventures
Hi Jacob:
Just goes to show that it pays to check the source, rather than listen to
what other bands' supporters have to say! On one of the websites, the
following is quoted verbatim from the book, "The Chantays".
"In 1994 the release of THE CHANTAYS Next Set CD rekindled the public's
interest and again gained THE CHANTAYS recognition in the music industry.
The CHANTAYS and Pipeline are featured in two areas of The Rock & Roll Hall
Of Fame and Museum in Cleveland, Ohio. In 1996 The Chantays gained further
recognition for their accomplishments by being inducted into the Hollywood
Rock Walk"
Now, (I'll be damned if I can find the site), but another blurb on a
different site, had it that both The Chantays and The Surfaris were actual
inductees. I shoulda gone direct to the HOF website and confirmed this
info, but I didn't imagine the claim would be publicly made, and false at
the same time, Mea Maxima Culpa.
The other points I raised still stand, and I stand by them.
Respectfully,
Bruce D
jacobdobner <> wrote:
Enither the Chantays or The Surfaris have been inducted into the Rock
and Roll Hall of Fame. Good call. Both of those bands along with the
Ventures are under 500 most important songs of all-time. But none of
them are inducted.
I prefer the Shadows of the Ventures any day. I think the Shadows
should get in first. The Shadows wrote many more songs themselves. The
Ventures sure did a lot of covers. Granted they wrote some great ones
like Surf Rider. And whenever I look at a ventures albums I see a lot
of Shadows covers.
--- In , bruce d <wizzbangg2003@y...> wrote:
>
> There's also a question of due-recognition and of the Hall of Fame
being fair and accurate in such recognition. Many people have
forgotten the name of the band, (The Chantays) who first recorded the
song "Pipeline", but they got their induction into the R&R Hall of
Fame, years ago, and were cited as having written and recorded one of
the most influential Instrumental tunes of all time. Likewise the
Surfaris, with "Wipe-Out".
>
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"Live in Japan '65," "The Fabulous Ventures," "Guitar Freakout" and "Batman
Theme" are all must-owns.
"Ventures in Space" has some really interesting production, but some of the
songs aren't that great. As others have said, though. if you're only going to
get one, get "Live in Japan '65."
The surf-instro hall of fame is a novel idea, but I guarantee there'd be a ton
of debate over which bands would get in, just like any other hall of fame.
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You speak/read Latin? I always enjoy it when I see titles of songs in
Latin.
--- In , "Marty Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
wrote:
>
> Mea Maxima Culpa.
>
Blasphemy, Jacob! I love that Ventures cover of Strawberry Fields. If that's the
Super Psychedlics album you got at the thrift store, there's some good Ventures
originals on there.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: jacobdobner
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:49 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Ventures
I wasn't saying the Shadows wrote those.
I own The Ventures Play the Classics LP, Telstar LP(or is it named
Lonely Bull?), The Showtunes album LP(that rules), and a greatest hits
LP. Then I own a crappy one I bought at a thrift store that has a
terrible Strawberry Fields Forever cover.
--- In , "supertwangreverb"
<supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
>
> > That should read I prefer the Shadows over the Ventures. And to
> > clarify the third sentence it should be: The Shadows wrote many
> more
> > of their more recognizable songs themselves. Hawaii Five-O,
> Telstar,
> > Apache, Sleepwalk.
>
> Jacob,
>
> You need to get a copy of the Ventures playing "Journey to the Stars"
> No version is better than their own "Live in Japan '65."
>
> I don't understand. Are you saying the Shadows wrote, Hawaii Five-
> 0, Telstar, Apache, and Sleepwalk?
>
> Wow! I really couldn't compare the Shadows with the Ventures. I
> like the Shads but the Ventures BLOW em away IMO. Someone once said
> on the Fender Forum this of the Shads, "nice try for a bunch of
> english guys."
>
> With all due respect the Ventures versions of, Sleepwalk, Telestar,
> and Apache aren't as great as the originals, and I personally hate
> Hawaii 5-0. IMO the Ventures were at their best starting off with
> their last "Fender" album "Lets Go!" uptil about "Wild Things" in
> 1966. I really like the Ventures when they used the Mosrite
> guitars, the Mosrite Fuzzrites, and the organs.
> For good Ventures albums check out, "the Ventures in Space," "The
> Ventures: Knock Me Out," "the Ventures Walk Don't Run Vol. 2,"
> and "the Ventures Live in Japan 1965." I could argue reasons for
> them to be in the ROHF based just on the "Live in Japan '65." But I
> still like their earlier Fender albums that Bob played lead on too.
> I just don't like anything with Gerry McGee on it.
>
> What the hell were the Shadows doing in the mid '60s? "Rhythm and
> Greens" "yeah baby ohh ahhh!!!" ????? :)
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I don't think it is the worst Beatles cover ever. The Surf Coasters
version of She Said She Said is so much worse. It is a vocal version.
But the best Beatles instrumental cover ever has to be A Day in the
Life by Jeff Beck.
--- In , "Marty Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
wrote:
> Blasphemy, Jacob! I love that Ventures cover of Strawberry Fields.
If that's the Super Psychedlics album you got at the thrift store,
there's some good Ventures originals on there.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jacobdobner
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:49 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Ventures
>
>
>
> I wasn't saying the Shadows wrote those.
>
> I own The Ventures Play the Classics LP, Telstar LP(or is it named
> Lonely Bull?), The Showtunes album LP(that rules), and a greatest hits
> LP. Then I own a crappy one I bought at a thrift store that has a
> terrible Strawberry Fields Forever cover.
>
> --- In , "supertwangreverb"
> <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > That should read I prefer the Shadows over the Ventures. And to
> > > clarify the third sentence it should be: The Shadows wrote many
> > more
> > > of their more recognizable songs themselves. Hawaii Five-O,
> > Telstar,
> > > Apache, Sleepwalk.
> >
> > Jacob,
> >
> > You need to get a copy of the Ventures playing "Journey to the
Stars"
> > No version is better than their own "Live in Japan '65."
> >
> > I don't understand. Are you saying the Shadows wrote, Hawaii Five-
> > 0, Telstar, Apache, and Sleepwalk?
> >
> > Wow! I really couldn't compare the Shadows with the Ventures. I
> > like the Shads but the Ventures BLOW em away IMO. Someone once
said
> > on the Fender Forum this of the Shads, "nice try for a bunch of
> > english guys."
> >
> > With all due respect the Ventures versions of, Sleepwalk, Telestar,
> > and Apache aren't as great as the originals, and I personally hate
> > Hawaii 5-0. IMO the Ventures were at their best starting off with
> > their last "Fender" album "Lets Go!" uptil about "Wild Things" in
> > 1966. I really like the Ventures when they used the Mosrite
> > guitars, the Mosrite Fuzzrites, and the organs.
> > For good Ventures albums check out, "the Ventures in Space," "The
> > Ventures: Knock Me Out," "the Ventures Walk Don't Run Vol. 2,"
> > and "the Ventures Live in Japan 1965." I could argue reasons for
> > them to be in the ROHF based just on the "Live in Japan '65."
But I
> > still like their earlier Fender albums that Bob played lead on
too.
> > I just don't like anything with Gerry McGee on it.
> >
> > What the hell were the Shadows doing in the mid '60s? "Rhythm and
> > Greens" "yeah baby ohh ahhh!!!" ????? :)
>
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I'll have t'hear that Jeff Beck "Day in the Live". I'll bet it is awesome.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 5:13 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Ventures
I don't think it is the worst Beatles cover ever. The Surf Coasters
version of She Said She Said is so much worse. It is a vocal version.
But the best Beatles instrumental cover ever has to be A Day in the
Life by Jeff Beck.
--- In , "Marty Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
wrote:
> Blasphemy, Jacob! I love that Ventures cover of Strawberry Fields.
If that's the Super Psychedlics album you got at the thrift store,
there's some good Ventures originals on there.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jacobdobner
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:49 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Ventures
>
>
>
> I wasn't saying the Shadows wrote those.
>
> I own The Ventures Play the Classics LP, Telstar LP(or is it named
> Lonely Bull?), The Showtunes album LP(that rules), and a greatest hits
> LP. Then I own a crappy one I bought at a thrift store that has a
> terrible Strawberry Fields Forever cover.
>
> --- In , "supertwangreverb"
> <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > That should read I prefer the Shadows over the Ventures. And to
> > > clarify the third sentence it should be: The Shadows wrote many
> > more
> > > of their more recognizable songs themselves. Hawaii Five-O,
> > Telstar,
> > > Apache, Sleepwalk.
> >
> > Jacob,
> >
> > You need to get a copy of the Ventures playing "Journey to the
Stars"
> > No version is better than their own "Live in Japan '65."
> >
> > I don't understand. Are you saying the Shadows wrote, Hawaii Five-
> > 0, Telstar, Apache, and Sleepwalk?
> >
> > Wow! I really couldn't compare the Shadows with the Ventures. I
> > like the Shads but the Ventures BLOW em away IMO. Someone once
said
> > on the Fender Forum this of the Shads, "nice try for a bunch of
> > english guys."
> >
> > With all due respect the Ventures versions of, Sleepwalk, Telestar,
> > and Apache aren't as great as the originals, and I personally hate
> > Hawaii 5-0. IMO the Ventures were at their best starting off with
> > their last "Fender" album "Lets Go!" uptil about "Wild Things" in
> > 1966. I really like the Ventures when they used the Mosrite
> > guitars, the Mosrite Fuzzrites, and the organs.
> > For good Ventures albums check out, "the Ventures in Space," "The
> > Ventures: Knock Me Out," "the Ventures Walk Don't Run Vol. 2,"
> > and "the Ventures Live in Japan 1965." I could argue reasons for
> > them to be in the ROHF based just on the "Live in Japan '65."
But I
> > still like their earlier Fender albums that Bob played lead on
too.
> > I just don't like anything with Gerry McGee on it.
> >
> > What the hell were the Shadows doing in the mid '60s? "Rhythm and
> > Greens" "yeah baby ohh ahhh!!!" ????? :)
>
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--- In , Warren Binder
<captainspringfield@y...> wrote:
> "Live in Japan '65," "The Fabulous Ventures," "Guitar Freakout"
and "Batman Theme" are all must-owns.
>
> "Ventures in Space" has some really interesting production, but
some of the songs aren't that great. As others have said, though. if
you're only going to get one, get "Live in Japan '65."
>
> The surf-instro hall of fame is a novel idea, but I guarantee
there'd be a ton of debate over which bands would get in, just like
any other hall of fame.
>
> -Warren
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But it doesn't have reverb! I prefer the studio version for this
reason...
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> I have to go along with what has been mentioned hear before, the
Ventures live '65 version of "Journey to the Stars" is the one to
hear if you haven't heard any of their versions.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jacobdobner
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:02 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Ventures
>
>
>
> Journey to the Stars is the absolute best. One of the best
intstros
> ever written. I have never heard the Ventures version, to my
> knowledge, which is disappointing. I have heard the Man or Astro-
Man?,
> Nebulas, and Space Cossacks version of it.
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But, they weren't snorting smack off the tops of their amps prior to
recording it in the studio. I prefer the live version for this
reason. :)
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...>
wrote:
>
> But it doesn't have reverb! I prefer the studio version for this
> reason...
>
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > I have to go along with what has been mentioned hear before, the
> Ventures live '65 version of "Journey to the Stars" is the one to
> hear if you haven't heard any of their versions.
> > -Marty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jacobdobner
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:02 PM
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Ventures
> >
> >
> >
> > Journey to the Stars is the absolute best. One of the best
> intstros
> > ever written. I have never heard the Ventures version, to my
> > knowledge, which is disappointing. I have heard the Man or
Astro-
> Man?,
> > Nebulas, and Space Cossacks version of it.
> >
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Ah yes, now that I revisit both versions I hear the studio has some great
spitting reverb in the intro and throughout. The live version is very present,
no reverb at all but the energy and rawness is cool. I'll have to put both
versions even for their different qualities.
-Marty
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Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Ventures
But it doesn't have reverb! I prefer the studio version for this
reason...
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> I have to go along with what has been mentioned hear before, the
Ventures live '65 version of "Journey to the Stars" is the one to
hear if you haven't heard any of their versions.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jacobdobner
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 1:02 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Ventures
>
>
>
> Journey to the Stars is the absolute best. One of the best
intstros
> ever written. I have never heard the Ventures version, to my
> knowledge, which is disappointing. I have heard the Man or Astro-
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Jacob, not one of these is a Shadows original, nor was
theirs the "hit" version, excpet "Apache" in much of
Europe.
Phil Dirt
--- jacobdobner <> wrote:
> The Shadows wrote many more of their more
> recognizable songs themselves. Hawaii Five-O,
> Telstar, Apache, Sleepwalk.
=====
I know the Shadows didn't write those songs. I was pointing out that
the Ventures did not write those songs. Those are some fo the more
popular Ventures tunes.
--- In , Phil Dirt <phildirt@r...> wrote:
> Jacob, not one of these is a Shadows original, nor was
> theirs the "hit" version, excpet "Apache" in much of
> Europe.
>
> Phil Dirt
>
> --- jacobdobner <jacobdobner@y...> wrote:
> > The Shadows wrote many more of their more
> > recognizable songs themselves. Hawaii Five-O,
> > Telstar, Apache, Sleepwalk.
>
> =====
Im looking for tabs of the song "pedal Pusher" by the ventures. If
anybody can help me with this please e-mail me at
or preferably the first. Thank you
