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Yes Patrick,
If one thinks of learning the guitar on the same level as one thinks
of moving into a house or slipping into a pair of shoes, then pre-
made tabs are better. If one places a higher value on the self esteem
gained by the art of playing the guitar, then developing the ear
without tabs is better. I have more personal interest in the guitar
than I do in carpentry or shoe-making.
-Marty
--- In , Patrick Shiflett
<p_shiflett@y...> wrote:
> This is coming from a person who can't play guitar
> worth a damn, so please take it with a grain of salt.
> To me, the whole point of the surf guitar 101 exercise
> is to make this world of music more accessible to the
> masses. If you want to do this, you should probably
> use every tool available. This message board is one
> of those tools. I think the idea of peer reviewed
> tabs is excellent for people like me. I love surf
> music and getting the chance to hear directly from
> people like Ivan, Dave Wronski, Fenrec and a whole
> host of other guys who produce the art, is amazing.
> (Honestly, it is better than amazing, you guys are
> great.) I think ignoring tabs would be a great
> disservice to those who want to learn that way.
> There are two things to consider. First, is it worse
> to have someone who can only enjoy and learn a song
> from the tabs, than having them not play at all?
> Learning by ear and developing your own style are
> fairly inaccessible when you first pick up an
> instrument. It doesn't have to be about the purity of
> the art, it could just be about enjoying playing, even
> if it is crappy, it is your own crap and you can enjoy
> it. The second thing to consider is this: (it is an
> analogy, but a good one) Amish people build really
> good houses. They don't have power tools, but they
> all get together and they can put together a fine
> house all made from hand tools and natural materials.
> It takes about a year and a lot of guys to just build
> one house. Even though these are really nice, the
> bulk of the population lives in homes with synthetic
> materials built by power tools.
> Anyway, just some thoughts.
> --- Marty Tippens <mctippens@e...> wrote:
>
> > If the goal is simply to learn a particular song,
> > then I would agree with you, Miller. If the goal is
> > to become a more complete musician with the ability
> > to improvise and to be able to play songs on the
> > fly, then developing the ear becomes important.
> > Learning with tab is not completely detrimental to
> > developing the ear but I just think that learning a
> > song without the tab is a quicker way to develop the
> > ear, especially with the type of songs in question,
> > the Pipelines, and Link Wray tunes.
> >
> > Many of us probably know folks like my Mom and
> > Mother-in-law who can play piano very well as long
> > as the music is in front of them. My Dad can sit
> > down in any room with a piano and play any request
> > (well maybe he doesn't know too many Metallica
> > numbers). "I wish I could play piano like that!" is
> > the compliment he receives most often, even from
> > those who can play with the sheet music.
> >
> > -Marty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: loscobrassurf
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:05 AM
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: does anyone have any
> > Link wray tabs?
> >
> >
> > -
> > It seems to me that the method of getting there is
> > less important
> > than just getting there. If tab workes for you
> > than use it as one of
> > your methods.I could see that tab could be used
> > to learn a difficult
> > riff even by someone who learns by ear. I tried it
> > a long time ago
> > and it seemed slow. miller
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- In , "Marty
> > Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
> > wrote:
> > > Good analogy, Warren. Training wheels were never
> > a good idea. Put
> > the kid on the bike and let him fall on the lawn a
> > few times. Its the
> > same idea with learning Link Wray by ear.
> > Beginners will get it wrong
> > at first, but if they keep at it and they'll get
> > it sooner than they
> > think. Also, they'll not be depending on 'training
> > wheel' tabs the
> > rest of their life.
> > > -Marty
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: captainspringfield
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:46 PM
> > > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: does anyone have
> > any Link wray tabs?
> > >
> > >
> > > I think I'm somewhere in between a few of the
> > viewpoints
> > expressed
> > > here. To use a really crappy analogy, I look
> > at it like riding a
> > > bike. You don't just hop on a ten-speed and
> > head for a steep hill-
> > -
> > > there has to be some sort of guide at first,
> > like training wheels.
> > >
> > > Tabs are great for those of us who can't read
> > music. A friend of
> > mine
> > > just bought a guitar and wanted me to show him
> > some basic stuff.
> > > Since we live a few hours away from each
> > other, the easiest thing
> > to
> > > do was tab some chord progressions, etc. out
> > for him. He can
> > learn at
> > > his own pace, and I really don't see too much
> > of a difference
> > between
> > > him learning a C chord or a scale off of a tab
> > than if I showed
> > him,
> > > finger by finger, how to play it.
> > >
> > > Plus, the more you learn, the less reliant you
> > become. I used to
> > > prefer full, in-depth tabs, but now I tend
> > towards the sparse
> > ones--
> > > "A-D-E-D, solo in Am" leaves a lot more up to
> > the person learning
> > > from the tab than a note-for-note
> > transcription. I'm still not
> > very
> > > good, but that's more than what I need to be
> > able to fake my way
> > > through "Louie, Louie."
> > >
> > > I'll be the first to admit there's drawbacks,
> > though. You can
> > find a
> > > tab for the guitar solo from the New York
> > Dolls' "Chatterbox"
> > online
> > > somewhere, but it's not going to show you how
> > to play it with the
> > > attitude that Johnny Thunders originally did.
> > Sort of like how,
> > to
> > > bastardize a quote from Spinal Tap, seeing a
> > Dick Dale riff on
> > paper
> > > tends to understate the hugeness of it.
> > >
> > > OLGA has a few two-dozen page Neil Young tabs.
> > I see no point in
> > > flawlessly learning something like "Cortez the
> > Killer" or "Down
> > By
> > > the River" (which I don't have the memory for
> > in the first place)
> > and
> > > in the process completely abandoning the
> > spontaneity present in
> > the
> > > original performance, but apparently some
> > people do.
> > >
> > > Some people also like to finger-tap and play
> > classical music
> > loudly
> > > on electric guitar. Me, I prefer The Sonics.
> > Tabbing's just as
> > > subjective, though. It works for some, it
> > doesn't for others.
> > >
> > > Now if only someone could tab the Eddie & the
> > Showmen version
> > > of "Scratch."
> > >
> > > -Warren
> > >
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