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Good analogy, Warren. Training wheels were never a good idea. Put the kid on the
bike and let him fall on the lawn a few times. Its the same idea with learning
Link Wray by ear. Beginners will get it wrong at first, but if they keep at it
and they'll get it sooner than they think. Also, they'll not be depending on
'training wheel' tabs the rest of their life.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: captainspringfield
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:46 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: does anyone have any Link wray tabs?
I think I'm somewhere in between a few of the viewpoints expressed
here. To use a really crappy analogy, I look at it like riding a
bike. You don't just hop on a ten-speed and head for a steep hill--
there has to be some sort of guide at first, like training wheels.
Tabs are great for those of us who can't read music. A friend of mine
just bought a guitar and wanted me to show him some basic stuff.
Since we live a few hours away from each other, the easiest thing to
do was tab some chord progressions, etc. out for him. He can learn at
his own pace, and I really don't see too much of a difference between
him learning a C chord or a scale off of a tab than if I showed him,
finger by finger, how to play it.
Plus, the more you learn, the less reliant you become. I used to
prefer full, in-depth tabs, but now I tend towards the sparse ones--
"A-D-E-D, solo in Am" leaves a lot more up to the person learning
from the tab than a note-for-note transcription. I'm still not very
good, but that's more than what I need to be able to fake my way
through "Louie, Louie."
I'll be the first to admit there's drawbacks, though. You can find a
tab for the guitar solo from the New York Dolls' "Chatterbox" online
somewhere, but it's not going to show you how to play it with the
attitude that Johnny Thunders originally did. Sort of like how, to
bastardize a quote from Spinal Tap, seeing a Dick Dale riff on paper
tends to understate the hugeness of it.
OLGA has a few two-dozen page Neil Young tabs. I see no point in
flawlessly learning something like "Cortez the Killer" or "Down By
the River" (which I don't have the memory for in the first place) and
in the process completely abandoning the spontaneity present in the
original performance, but apparently some people do.
Some people also like to finger-tap and play classical music loudly
on electric guitar. Me, I prefer The Sonics. Tabbing's just as
subjective, though. It works for some, it doesn't for others.
Now if only someone could tab the Eddie & the Showmen version
of "Scratch."
-Warren
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--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
>
> As to your question on my 'tabitude', I see virtually no value in
>sitting down and tab'ing out Pipeline or purdy much any Link Wray
>tune. Begining guitarists would benefit much more by trying to
>figure those babies out by ear. When they master those, they build
>the confidence to go on to more challenging tunes.
I think you missed my point Marty. A beginner can learn a lot by
figuring out a song by ear, and then tabbing it out. Thats what I
meant. There is something about learning something and then writing
it down that reinforces things.
BTW, Richard just found a bug in my Jack the Ripper tab. This is how
peer reviewed open source software succeed: you get lots of eyes on
the source. :)
BN
-
It seems to me that the method of getting there is less important
than just getting there. If tab workes for you than use it as one of
your methods.I could see that tab could be used to learn a difficult
riff even by someone who learns by ear. I tried it a long time ago
and it seemed slow. miller
-- In , "Marty Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
wrote:
> Good analogy, Warren. Training wheels were never a good idea. Put
the kid on the bike and let him fall on the lawn a few times. Its the
same idea with learning Link Wray by ear. Beginners will get it wrong
at first, but if they keep at it and they'll get it sooner than they
think. Also, they'll not be depending on 'training wheel' tabs the
rest of their life.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: captainspringfield
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:46 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: does anyone have any Link wray tabs?
>
>
> I think I'm somewhere in between a few of the viewpoints
expressed
> here. To use a really crappy analogy, I look at it like riding a
> bike. You don't just hop on a ten-speed and head for a steep hill-
-
> there has to be some sort of guide at first, like training wheels.
>
> Tabs are great for those of us who can't read music. A friend of
mine
> just bought a guitar and wanted me to show him some basic stuff.
> Since we live a few hours away from each other, the easiest thing
to
> do was tab some chord progressions, etc. out for him. He can
learn at
> his own pace, and I really don't see too much of a difference
between
> him learning a C chord or a scale off of a tab than if I showed
him,
> finger by finger, how to play it.
>
> Plus, the more you learn, the less reliant you become. I used to
> prefer full, in-depth tabs, but now I tend towards the sparse
ones--
> "A-D-E-D, solo in Am" leaves a lot more up to the person learning
> from the tab than a note-for-note transcription. I'm still not
very
> good, but that's more than what I need to be able to fake my way
> through "Louie, Louie."
>
> I'll be the first to admit there's drawbacks, though. You can
find a
> tab for the guitar solo from the New York Dolls' "Chatterbox"
online
> somewhere, but it's not going to show you how to play it with the
> attitude that Johnny Thunders originally did. Sort of like how,
to
> bastardize a quote from Spinal Tap, seeing a Dick Dale riff on
paper
> tends to understate the hugeness of it.
>
> OLGA has a few two-dozen page Neil Young tabs. I see no point in
> flawlessly learning something like "Cortez the Killer" or "Down
By
> the River" (which I don't have the memory for in the first place)
and
> in the process completely abandoning the spontaneity present in
the
> original performance, but apparently some people do.
>
> Some people also like to finger-tap and play classical music
loudly
> on electric guitar. Me, I prefer The Sonics. Tabbing's just as
> subjective, though. It works for some, it doesn't for others.
>
> Now if only someone could tab the Eddie & the Showmen version
> of "Scratch."
>
> -Warren
>
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--- In , gmcgrory@a... wrote:
I had long since out grown
> Kiss but now I could play Stevie Ray's bitchen solos. The problem
with tabs
> is now everybody with time and inclination can play Stevie Ray's
bitchen solos.
> I lost interest in the Blues over the past few years because it
seems like
> every player is trying to play Stevie Ray's bitchen solos. Some
even do it quite
> well but they've learned their lessons so well they can't do the
most
> important thing a guitar player should do: Play their OWN bitchen
solos. It's strange
> that music is one of the only arts where letter perfect imitation
is extolled
> as a virtue by some people.
> Tab is a great tool though if used in moderation. It's great for
figuring out
> the tricky bits like the part of "Baja" I still haven't figured
out. Anybody
> have a good tab of that? The funny thing about picking songs out is
that I was
> trying to figure out how to play "Diamondhead" and realized I was
play
> "Baja."
GT, I totally agreee with you, but I found one thing totally
unbelievable: you can play Stevie Ray's solos but you can't figure
out all of Baja?? I'm just blown away by that. This is certainly
not meant to be a flame, and please don't be offended. But SRV solos
are at a considerably higher level of technical difficulty than ANY
Astronauts tune, and Baja is one of the simpler ones.
I wonder if there are many people like that out there? I remember
reading in the late eighties about kids that could play Van Halen
solos, but couldn't play rhythm in tempo if their life depended on
it. It seems really weird....
Ivan
If the goal is simply to learn a particular song, then I would agree with you,
Miller. If the goal is to become a more complete musician with the ability to
improvise and to be able to play songs on the fly, then developing the ear
becomes important. Learning with tab is not completely detrimental to developing
the ear but I just think that learning a song without the tab is a quicker way
to develop the ear, especially with the type of songs in question, the
Pipelines, and Link Wray tunes.
Many of us probably know folks like my Mom and Mother-in-law who can play piano
very well as long as the music is in front of them. My Dad can sit down in any
room with a piano and play any request (well maybe he doesn't know too many
Metallica numbers). "I wish I could play piano like that!" is the compliment he
receives most often, even from those who can play with the sheet music.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: loscobrassurf
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:05 AM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: does anyone have any Link wray tabs?
-
It seems to me that the method of getting there is less important
than just getting there. If tab workes for you than use it as one of
your methods.I could see that tab could be used to learn a difficult
riff even by someone who learns by ear. I tried it a long time ago
and it seemed slow. miller
-- In , "Marty Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
wrote:
> Good analogy, Warren. Training wheels were never a good idea. Put
the kid on the bike and let him fall on the lawn a few times. Its the
same idea with learning Link Wray by ear. Beginners will get it wrong
at first, but if they keep at it and they'll get it sooner than they
think. Also, they'll not be depending on 'training wheel' tabs the
rest of their life.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: captainspringfield
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:46 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: does anyone have any Link wray tabs?
>
>
> I think I'm somewhere in between a few of the viewpoints
expressed
> here. To use a really crappy analogy, I look at it like riding a
> bike. You don't just hop on a ten-speed and head for a steep hill-
-
> there has to be some sort of guide at first, like training wheels.
>
> Tabs are great for those of us who can't read music. A friend of
mine
> just bought a guitar and wanted me to show him some basic stuff.
> Since we live a few hours away from each other, the easiest thing
to
> do was tab some chord progressions, etc. out for him. He can
learn at
> his own pace, and I really don't see too much of a difference
between
> him learning a C chord or a scale off of a tab than if I showed
him,
> finger by finger, how to play it.
>
> Plus, the more you learn, the less reliant you become. I used to
> prefer full, in-depth tabs, but now I tend towards the sparse
ones--
> "A-D-E-D, solo in Am" leaves a lot more up to the person learning
> from the tab than a note-for-note transcription. I'm still not
very
> good, but that's more than what I need to be able to fake my way
> through "Louie, Louie."
>
> I'll be the first to admit there's drawbacks, though. You can
find a
> tab for the guitar solo from the New York Dolls' "Chatterbox"
online
> somewhere, but it's not going to show you how to play it with the
> attitude that Johnny Thunders originally did. Sort of like how,
to
> bastardize a quote from Spinal Tap, seeing a Dick Dale riff on
paper
> tends to understate the hugeness of it.
>
> OLGA has a few two-dozen page Neil Young tabs. I see no point in
> flawlessly learning something like "Cortez the Killer" or "Down
By
> the River" (which I don't have the memory for in the first place)
and
> in the process completely abandoning the spontaneity present in
the
> original performance, but apparently some people do.
>
> Some people also like to finger-tap and play classical music
loudly
> on electric guitar. Me, I prefer The Sonics. Tabbing's just as
> subjective, though. It works for some, it doesn't for others.
>
> Now if only someone could tab the Eddie & the Showmen version
> of "Scratch."
>
> -Warren
>
>
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Oh, ok. Yes, learning by ear and then tabbing it out is not a bad idea.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Neal
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:40 AM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: does anyone have any Link wray tabs?
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
>
> As to your question on my 'tabitude', I see virtually no value in
>sitting down and tab'ing out Pipeline or purdy much any Link Wray
>tune. Begining guitarists would benefit much more by trying to
>figure those babies out by ear. When they master those, they build
>the confidence to go on to more challenging tunes.
I think you missed my point Marty. A beginner can learn a lot by
figuring out a song by ear, and then tabbing it out. Thats what I
meant. There is something about learning something and then writing
it down that reinforces things.
BTW, Richard just found a bug in my Jack the Ripper tab. This is how
peer reviewed open source software succeed: you get lots of eyes on
the source. :)
BN
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This is coming from a person who can't play guitar
worth a damn, so please take it with a grain of salt.
To me, the whole point of the surf guitar 101 exercise
is to make this world of music more accessible to the
masses. If you want to do this, you should probably
use every tool available. This message board is one
of those tools. I think the idea of peer reviewed
tabs is excellent for people like me. I love surf
music and getting the chance to hear directly from
people like Ivan, Dave Wronski, Fenrec and a whole
host of other guys who produce the art, is amazing.
(Honestly, it is better than amazing, you guys are
great.) I think ignoring tabs would be a great
disservice to those who want to learn that way.
There are two things to consider. First, is it worse
to have someone who can only enjoy and learn a song
from the tabs, than having them not play at all?
Learning by ear and developing your own style are
fairly inaccessible when you first pick up an
instrument. It doesn't have to be about the purity of
the art, it could just be about enjoying playing, even
if it is crappy, it is your own crap and you can enjoy
it. The second thing to consider is this: (it is an
analogy, but a good one) Amish people build really
good houses. They don't have power tools, but they
all get together and they can put together a fine
house all made from hand tools and natural materials.
It takes about a year and a lot of guys to just build
one house. Even though these are really nice, the
bulk of the population lives in homes with synthetic
materials built by power tools.
Anyway, just some thoughts.
--- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
> If the goal is simply to learn a particular song,
> then I would agree with you, Miller. If the goal is
> to become a more complete musician with the ability
> to improvise and to be able to play songs on the
> fly, then developing the ear becomes important.
> Learning with tab is not completely detrimental to
> developing the ear but I just think that learning a
> song without the tab is a quicker way to develop the
> ear, especially with the type of songs in question,
> the Pipelines, and Link Wray tunes.
>
> Many of us probably know folks like my Mom and
> Mother-in-law who can play piano very well as long
> as the music is in front of them. My Dad can sit
> down in any room with a piano and play any request
> (well maybe he doesn't know too many Metallica
> numbers). "I wish I could play piano like that!" is
> the compliment he receives most often, even from
> those who can play with the sheet music.
>
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: loscobrassurf
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:05 AM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: does anyone have any
> Link wray tabs?
>
>
> -
> It seems to me that the method of getting there is
> less important
> than just getting there. If tab workes for you
> than use it as one of
> your methods.I could see that tab could be used
> to learn a difficult
> riff even by someone who learns by ear. I tried it
> a long time ago
> and it seemed slow. miller
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- In , "Marty
> Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
> wrote:
> > Good analogy, Warren. Training wheels were never
> a good idea. Put
> the kid on the bike and let him fall on the lawn a
> few times. Its the
> same idea with learning Link Wray by ear.
> Beginners will get it wrong
> at first, but if they keep at it and they'll get
> it sooner than they
> think. Also, they'll not be depending on 'training
> wheel' tabs the
> rest of their life.
> > -Marty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: captainspringfield
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:46 PM
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: does anyone have
> any Link wray tabs?
> >
> >
> > I think I'm somewhere in between a few of the
> viewpoints
> expressed
> > here. To use a really crappy analogy, I look
> at it like riding a
> > bike. You don't just hop on a ten-speed and
> head for a steep hill-
> -
> > there has to be some sort of guide at first,
> like training wheels.
> >
> > Tabs are great for those of us who can't read
> music. A friend of
> mine
> > just bought a guitar and wanted me to show him
> some basic stuff.
> > Since we live a few hours away from each
> other, the easiest thing
> to
> > do was tab some chord progressions, etc. out
> for him. He can
> learn at
> > his own pace, and I really don't see too much
> of a difference
> between
> > him learning a C chord or a scale off of a tab
> than if I showed
> him,
> > finger by finger, how to play it.
> >
> > Plus, the more you learn, the less reliant you
> become. I used to
> > prefer full, in-depth tabs, but now I tend
> towards the sparse
> ones--
> > "A-D-E-D, solo in Am" leaves a lot more up to
> the person learning
> > from the tab than a note-for-note
> transcription. I'm still not
> very
> > good, but that's more than what I need to be
> able to fake my way
> > through "Louie, Louie."
> >
> > I'll be the first to admit there's drawbacks,
> though. You can
> find a
> > tab for the guitar solo from the New York
> Dolls' "Chatterbox"
> online
> > somewhere, but it's not going to show you how
> to play it with the
> > attitude that Johnny Thunders originally did.
> Sort of like how,
> to
> > bastardize a quote from Spinal Tap, seeing a
> Dick Dale riff on
> paper
> > tends to understate the hugeness of it.
> >
> > OLGA has a few two-dozen page Neil Young tabs.
> I see no point in
> > flawlessly learning something like "Cortez the
> Killer" or "Down
> By
> > the River" (which I don't have the memory for
> in the first place)
> and
> > in the process completely abandoning the
> spontaneity present in
> the
> > original performance, but apparently some
> people do.
> >
> > Some people also like to finger-tap and play
> classical music
> loudly
> > on electric guitar. Me, I prefer The Sonics.
> Tabbing's just as
> > subjective, though. It works for some, it
> doesn't for others.
> >
> > Now if only someone could tab the Eddie & the
> Showmen version
> > of "Scratch."
> >
> > -Warren
> >
> >
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Patrick,
I learned EVERY Ventures hit WITHOUT tab back in 1964. They weren't
that difficult to pick up. Good ears did the trick. In so far as Link
Wray's "Rumble" would be concerned, if you have any kind of ears, you
should be able to learn it off the record. My reliance on my hearing
rather than Tabs (which didn't exist anyway back then) is the main
reason I'm so together as a player.
Tabs can help with certain things (like if you're trying to discect
Yngwie at lightspeed), but there's no substitute for translating what
you hear to the fingerboard. Taking guitar lessons and developing your
ear will be more helpful than relying on tabs.
It may be a struggle at first, but you'll get there.
Regards,
Les Fradkin
On Wednesday, September 29, 2004, at 11:27 AM, Patrick Shiflett wrote:
>
> This is coming from a person who can't play guitar
> worth a damn, so please take it with a grain of salt.
> To me, the whole point of the surf guitar 101 exercise
> is to make this world of music more accessible to the
> masses. If you want to do this, you should probably
> use every tool available. This message board is one
> of those tools. I think the idea of peer reviewed
> tabs is excellent for people like me. I love surf
> music and getting the chance to hear directly from
> people like Ivan, Dave Wronski, Fenrec and a whole
> host of other guys who produce the art, is amazing.
> (Honestly, it is better than amazing, you guys are
> great.) I think ignoring tabs would be a great
> disservice to those who want to learn that way.
> There are two things to consider. First, is it worse
> to have someone who can only enjoy and learn a song
> from the tabs, than having them not play at all?
> Learning by ear and developing your own style are
> fairly inaccessible when you first pick up an
> instrument. It doesn't have to be about the purity of
> the art, it could just be about enjoying playing, even
> if it is crappy, it is your own crap and you can enjoy
> it. The second thing to consider is this: (it is an
> analogy, but a good one) Amish people build really
> good houses. They don't have power tools, but they
> all get together and they can put together a fine
> house all made from hand tools and natural materials.
> It takes about a year and a lot of guys to just build
> one house. Even though these are really nice, the
> bulk of the population lives in homes with synthetic
> materials built by power tools.
> Anyway, just some thoughts.
> --- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
>
>> If the goal is simply to learn a particular song,
>> then I would agree with you, Miller. If the goal is
>> to become a more complete musician with the ability
>> to improvise and to be able to play songs on the
>> fly, then developing the ear becomes important.
>> Learning with tab is not completely detrimental to
>> developing the ear but I just think that learning a
>> song without the tab is a quicker way to develop the
>> ear, especially with the type of songs in question,
>> the Pipelines, and Link Wray tunes.
>>
>> Many of us probably know folks like my Mom and
>> Mother-in-law who can play piano very well as long
>> as the music is in front of them. My Dad can sit
>> down in any room with a piano and play any request
>> (well maybe he doesn't know too many Metallica
>> numbers). "I wish I could play piano like that!" is
>> the compliment he receives most often, even from
>> those who can play with the sheet music.
>>
>> -Marty
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: loscobrassurf
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:05 AM
>> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: does anyone have any
>> Link wray tabs?
>>
>>
>> -
>> It seems to me that the method of getting there is
>> less important
>> than just getting there. If tab workes for you
>> than use it as one of
>> your methods.I could see that tab could be used
>> to learn a difficult
>> riff even by someone who learns by ear. I tried it
>> a long time ago
>> and it seemed slow. miller
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- In , "Marty
>> Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
>> wrote:
>>> Good analogy, Warren. Training wheels were never
>> a good idea. Put
>> the kid on the bike and let him fall on the lawn a
>> few times. Its the
>> same idea with learning Link Wray by ear.
>> Beginners will get it wrong
>> at first, but if they keep at it and they'll get
>> it sooner than they
>> think. Also, they'll not be depending on 'training
>> wheel' tabs the
>> rest of their life.
>>> -Marty
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: captainspringfield
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:46 PM
>>> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: does anyone have
>> any Link wray tabs?
>>>
>>>
>>> I think I'm somewhere in between a few of the
>> viewpoints
>> expressed
>>> here. To use a really crappy analogy, I look
>> at it like riding a
>>> bike. You don't just hop on a ten-speed and
>> head for a steep hill-
>> -
>>> there has to be some sort of guide at first,
>> like training wheels.
>>>
>>> Tabs are great for those of us who can't read
>> music. A friend of
>> mine
>>> just bought a guitar and wanted me to show him
>> some basic stuff.
>>> Since we live a few hours away from each
>> other, the easiest thing
>> to
>>> do was tab some chord progressions, etc. out
>> for him. He can
>> learn at
>>> his own pace, and I really don't see too much
>> of a difference
>> between
>>> him learning a C chord or a scale off of a tab
>> than if I showed
>> him,
>>> finger by finger, how to play it.
>>>
>>> Plus, the more you learn, the less reliant you
>> become. I used to
>>> prefer full, in-depth tabs, but now I tend
>> towards the sparse
>> ones--
>>> "A-D-E-D, solo in Am" leaves a lot more up to
>> the person learning
>>> from the tab than a note-for-note
>> transcription. I'm still not
>> very
>>> good, but that's more than what I need to be
>> able to fake my way
>>> through "Louie, Louie."
>>>
>>> I'll be the first to admit there's drawbacks,
>> though. You can
>> find a
>>> tab for the guitar solo from the New York
>> Dolls' "Chatterbox"
>> online
>>> somewhere, but it's not going to show you how
>> to play it with the
>>> attitude that Johnny Thunders originally did.
>> Sort of like how,
>> to
>>> bastardize a quote from Spinal Tap, seeing a
>> Dick Dale riff on
>> paper
>>> tends to understate the hugeness of it.
>>>
>>> OLGA has a few two-dozen page Neil Young tabs.
>> I see no point in
>>> flawlessly learning something like "Cortez the
>> Killer" or "Down
>> By
>>> the River" (which I don't have the memory for
>> in the first place)
>> and
>>> in the process completely abandoning the
>> spontaneity present in
>> the
>>> original performance, but apparently some
>> people do.
>>>
>>> Some people also like to finger-tap and play
>> classical music
>> loudly
>>> on electric guitar. Me, I prefer The Sonics.
>> Tabbing's just as
>>> subjective, though. It works for some, it
>> doesn't for others.
>>>
>>> Now if only someone could tab the Eddie & the
>> Showmen version
>>> of "Scratch."
>>>
>>> -Warren
>>>
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I'm always looking for tabs, but realize I don't so much "Play
Guitar" as much as "dick around on a guitar" when I have the time,
most of the time with no amp or a smoky amp.
I can usually pick out a straight melody pretty quickly, but chords--
even 2-string combinations--throw me, so tabs are a big time saver.
From the time he was 9 or so my oldest son could hear a song and
immediately play it on piano or guitar--melody or chords. Of course
now he's in a screaming metalcore band and I can barely get through
one of their songs, esp. after "the vocals" start.
So, who's got any SCOTS tabs?
MDG
Yes Patrick,
If one thinks of learning the guitar on the same level as one thinks
of moving into a house or slipping into a pair of shoes, then pre-
made tabs are better. If one places a higher value on the self esteem
gained by the art of playing the guitar, then developing the ear
without tabs is better. I have more personal interest in the guitar
than I do in carpentry or shoe-making.
-Marty
--- In , Patrick Shiflett
<p_shiflett@y...> wrote:
> This is coming from a person who can't play guitar
> worth a damn, so please take it with a grain of salt.
> To me, the whole point of the surf guitar 101 exercise
> is to make this world of music more accessible to the
> masses. If you want to do this, you should probably
> use every tool available. This message board is one
> of those tools. I think the idea of peer reviewed
> tabs is excellent for people like me. I love surf
> music and getting the chance to hear directly from
> people like Ivan, Dave Wronski, Fenrec and a whole
> host of other guys who produce the art, is amazing.
> (Honestly, it is better than amazing, you guys are
> great.) I think ignoring tabs would be a great
> disservice to those who want to learn that way.
> There are two things to consider. First, is it worse
> to have someone who can only enjoy and learn a song
> from the tabs, than having them not play at all?
> Learning by ear and developing your own style are
> fairly inaccessible when you first pick up an
> instrument. It doesn't have to be about the purity of
> the art, it could just be about enjoying playing, even
> if it is crappy, it is your own crap and you can enjoy
> it. The second thing to consider is this: (it is an
> analogy, but a good one) Amish people build really
> good houses. They don't have power tools, but they
> all get together and they can put together a fine
> house all made from hand tools and natural materials.
> It takes about a year and a lot of guys to just build
> one house. Even though these are really nice, the
> bulk of the population lives in homes with synthetic
> materials built by power tools.
> Anyway, just some thoughts.
> --- Marty Tippens <mctippens@e...> wrote:
>
> > If the goal is simply to learn a particular song,
> > then I would agree with you, Miller. If the goal is
> > to become a more complete musician with the ability
> > to improvise and to be able to play songs on the
> > fly, then developing the ear becomes important.
> > Learning with tab is not completely detrimental to
> > developing the ear but I just think that learning a
> > song without the tab is a quicker way to develop the
> > ear, especially with the type of songs in question,
> > the Pipelines, and Link Wray tunes.
> >
> > Many of us probably know folks like my Mom and
> > Mother-in-law who can play piano very well as long
> > as the music is in front of them. My Dad can sit
> > down in any room with a piano and play any request
> > (well maybe he doesn't know too many Metallica
> > numbers). "I wish I could play piano like that!" is
> > the compliment he receives most often, even from
> > those who can play with the sheet music.
> >
> > -Marty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: loscobrassurf
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:05 AM
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: does anyone have any
> > Link wray tabs?
> >
> >
> > -
> > It seems to me that the method of getting there is
> > less important
> > than just getting there. If tab workes for you
> > than use it as one of
> > your methods.I could see that tab could be used
> > to learn a difficult
> > riff even by someone who learns by ear. I tried it
> > a long time ago
> > and it seemed slow. miller
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- In , "Marty
> > Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
> > wrote:
> > > Good analogy, Warren. Training wheels were never
> > a good idea. Put
> > the kid on the bike and let him fall on the lawn a
> > few times. Its the
> > same idea with learning Link Wray by ear.
> > Beginners will get it wrong
> > at first, but if they keep at it and they'll get
> > it sooner than they
> > think. Also, they'll not be depending on 'training
> > wheel' tabs the
> > rest of their life.
> > > -Marty
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: captainspringfield
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:46 PM
> > > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: does anyone have
> > any Link wray tabs?
> > >
> > >
> > > I think I'm somewhere in between a few of the
> > viewpoints
> > expressed
> > > here. To use a really crappy analogy, I look
> > at it like riding a
> > > bike. You don't just hop on a ten-speed and
> > head for a steep hill-
> > -
> > > there has to be some sort of guide at first,
> > like training wheels.
> > >
> > > Tabs are great for those of us who can't read
> > music. A friend of
> > mine
> > > just bought a guitar and wanted me to show him
> > some basic stuff.
> > > Since we live a few hours away from each
> > other, the easiest thing
> > to
> > > do was tab some chord progressions, etc. out
> > for him. He can
> > learn at
> > > his own pace, and I really don't see too much
> > of a difference
> > between
> > > him learning a C chord or a scale off of a tab
> > than if I showed
> > him,
> > > finger by finger, how to play it.
> > >
> > > Plus, the more you learn, the less reliant you
> > become. I used to
> > > prefer full, in-depth tabs, but now I tend
> > towards the sparse
> > ones--
> > > "A-D-E-D, solo in Am" leaves a lot more up to
> > the person learning
> > > from the tab than a note-for-note
> > transcription. I'm still not
> > very
> > > good, but that's more than what I need to be
> > able to fake my way
> > > through "Louie, Louie."
> > >
> > > I'll be the first to admit there's drawbacks,
> > though. You can
> > find a
> > > tab for the guitar solo from the New York
> > Dolls' "Chatterbox"
> > online
> > > somewhere, but it's not going to show you how
> > to play it with the
> > > attitude that Johnny Thunders originally did.
> > Sort of like how,
> > to
> > > bastardize a quote from Spinal Tap, seeing a
> > Dick Dale riff on
> > paper
> > > tends to understate the hugeness of it.
> > >
> > > OLGA has a few two-dozen page Neil Young tabs.
> > I see no point in
> > > flawlessly learning something like "Cortez the
> > Killer" or "Down
> > By
> > > the River" (which I don't have the memory for
> > in the first place)
> > and
> > > in the process completely abandoning the
> > spontaneity present in
> > the
> > > original performance, but apparently some
> > people do.
> > >
> > > Some people also like to finger-tap and play
> > classical music
> > loudly
> > > on electric guitar. Me, I prefer The Sonics.
> > Tabbing's just as
> > > subjective, though. It works for some, it
> > doesn't for others.
> > >
> > > Now if only someone could tab the Eddie & the
> > Showmen version
> > > of "Scratch."
> > >
> > > -Warren
> > >
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You'll have to excuse my musical inadequacy, it is
tough being one of the unwashed.
Anyway, does anyone know of a tab for Ace of Spades?
It sounds like a fairly simple tune to get started
on. Another one I was interested in is Max G off of
MOAM's Project Infinity (or was it Project Zero?)
album. I didn't find it on BN's MOAM site.
Speaking of MOAM has Brian Causey (aka Star Crunch)
done anything since MOAM? I really like the sound
from his time with the group.
I'd also like to thank BN for making his MOAM site.
In a way, you're the reason I bought myself a guitar
in the first place, along with the music. After
checking out your site with the tabs on it, I thought,
hey, I could learn to play this stuff. (Even with
tabs, it is harder than moving into a house or putting
on a pair of shoes. That or I'm totally inadequate,
hehe.) I still think a peer reviewed tab section
would be an excellent thing for many people. I can't
really contribute to it for lack of skill, but I can
safely say that I'd use the tools provided.
--- mctippens <> wrote:
> Yes Patrick,
> If one thinks of learning the guitar on the same
> level as one thinks
> of moving into a house or slipping into a pair of
> shoes, then pre-
> made tabs are better. If one places a higher value
> on the self esteem
> gained by the art of playing the guitar, then
> developing the ear
> without tabs is better. I have more personal
> interest in the guitar
> than I do in carpentry or shoe-making.
>
> -Marty
>
> --- In , Patrick
> Shiflett
> <p_shiflett@y...> wrote:
> > This is coming from a person who can't play guitar
> > worth a damn, so please take it with a grain of
> salt.
> > To me, the whole point of the surf guitar 101
> exercise
> > is to make this world of music more accessible to
> the
> > masses. If you want to do this, you should
> probably
> > use every tool available. This message board is
> one
> > of those tools. I think the idea of peer reviewed
> > tabs is excellent for people like me. I love surf
> > music and getting the chance to hear directly from
> > people like Ivan, Dave Wronski, Fenrec and a whole
> > host of other guys who produce the art, is
> amazing.
> > (Honestly, it is better than amazing, you guys are
> > great.) I think ignoring tabs would be a great
> > disservice to those who want to learn that way.
> > There are two things to consider. First, is it
> worse
> > to have someone who can only enjoy and learn a
> song
> > from the tabs, than having them not play at all?
> > Learning by ear and developing your own style are
> > fairly inaccessible when you first pick up an
> > instrument. It doesn't have to be about the
> purity of
> > the art, it could just be about enjoying playing,
> even
> > if it is crappy, it is your own crap and you can
> enjoy
> > it. The second thing to consider is this: (it is
> an
> > analogy, but a good one) Amish people build
> really
> > good houses. They don't have power tools, but
> they
> > all get together and they can put together a fine
> > house all made from hand tools and natural
> materials.
> > It takes about a year and a lot of guys to just
> build
> > one house. Even though these are really nice, the
> > bulk of the population lives in homes with
> synthetic
> > materials built by power tools.
> > Anyway, just some thoughts.
> > --- Marty Tippens <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> >
> > > If the goal is simply to learn a particular
> song,
> > > then I would agree with you, Miller. If the goal
> is
> > > to become a more complete musician with the
> ability
> > > to improvise and to be able to play songs on the
> > > fly, then developing the ear becomes important.
> > > Learning with tab is not completely detrimental
> to
> > > developing the ear but I just think that
> learning a
> > > song without the tab is a quicker way to develop
> the
> > > ear, especially with the type of songs in
> question,
> > > the Pipelines, and Link Wray tunes.
> > >
> > > Many of us probably know folks like my Mom and
> > > Mother-in-law who can play piano very well as
> long
> > > as the music is in front of them. My Dad can sit
> > > down in any room with a piano and play any
> request
> > > (well maybe he doesn't know too many Metallica
> > > numbers). "I wish I could play piano like that!"
> is
> > > the compliment he receives most often, even from
> > > those who can play with the sheet music.
> > >
> > > -Marty
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: loscobrassurf
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:05 AM
> > > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: does anyone have
> any
> > > Link wray tabs?
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> > > It seems to me that the method of getting
> there is
> > > less important
> > > than just getting there. If tab workes for you
> > > than use it as one of
> > > your methods.I could see that tab could be
> used
> > > to learn a difficult
> > > riff even by someone who learns by ear. I
> tried it
> > > a long time ago
> > > and it seemed slow. miller
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- In , "Marty
> > > Tippens" <mctippens@e...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Good analogy, Warren. Training wheels were
> never
> > > a good idea. Put
> > > the kid on the bike and let him fall on the
> lawn a
> > > few times. Its the
> > > same idea with learning Link Wray by ear.
> > > Beginners will get it wrong
> > > at first, but if they keep at it and they'll
> get
> > > it sooner than they
> > > think. Also, they'll not be depending on
> 'training
> > > wheel' tabs the
> > > rest of their life.
> > > > -Marty
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: captainspringfield
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:46 PM
> > > > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: does anyone
> have
> > > any Link wray tabs?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think I'm somewhere in between a few of
> the
> > > viewpoints
> > > expressed
> > > > here. To use a really crappy analogy, I
> look
> > > at it like riding a
> > > > bike. You don't just hop on a ten-speed
> and
> > > head for a steep hill-
> > > -
> > > > there has to be some sort of guide at
> first,
> > > like training wheels.
> > > >
> > > > Tabs are great for those of us who can't
> read
> > > music. A friend of
> > > mine
> > > > just bought a guitar and wanted me to show
> him
> > > some basic stuff.
> > > > Since we live a few hours away from each
> > > other, the easiest thing
> > > to
> > > > do was tab some chord progressions, etc.
> out
> > > for him. He can
> > > learn at
> > > > his own pace, and I really don't see too
> much
> > > of a difference
> > > between
> > > > him learning a C chord or a scale off of a
> tab
> > > than if I showed
> > > him,
> > > > finger by finger, how to play it.
> > > >
> > > > Plus, the more you learn, the less reliant
> you
> > > become. I used to
> > > > prefer full, in-depth tabs, but now I tend
> > > towards the sparse
> > > ones--
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I haven't been keeping up very well on this thread, but I like this
analogy. When I was a kid, I learned to play by copying things I heard.
Later, certain things I learned to play inspired ideas--whether it was a
couple of chords that sounded great together, or something I stumbled
upon because I made a mistake, I later developed my own material. This
all depends on which way you're looking at it because you all have good
points.
-Kristena
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Patrick Shiflett
<> writes:
>
> This is coming from a person who can't play guitar
> worth a damn, so please take it with a grain of salt.
> To me, the whole point of the surf guitar 101 exercise
> is to make this world of music more accessible to the
> masses. If you want to do this, you should probably
> use every tool available. This message board is one
> of those tools. I think the idea of peer reviewed
> tabs is excellent for people like me. I love surf
> music and getting the chance to hear directly from
> people like Ivan, Dave Wronski, Fenrec and a whole
> host of other guys who produce the art, is amazing.
> (Honestly, it is better than amazing, you guys are
> great.) I think ignoring tabs would be a great
> disservice to those who want to learn that way.
> There are two things to consider. First, is it worse
> to have someone who can only enjoy and learn a song
> from the tabs, than having them not play at all?
> Learning by ear and developing your own style are
> fairly inaccessible when you first pick up an
> instrument. It doesn't have to be about the purity of
> the art, it could just be about enjoying playing, even
> if it is crappy, it is your own crap and you can enjoy
> it. The second thing to consider is this: (it is an
> analogy, but a good one) Amish people build really
> good houses. They don't have power tools, but they
> all get together and they can put together a fine
> house all made from hand tools and natural materials.
> It takes about a year and a lot of guys to just build
> one house. Even though these are really nice, the
> bulk of the population lives in homes with synthetic
> materials built by power tools.
> Anyway, just some thoughts.
--- In , Patrick Shiflett
<p_shiflett@y...> wrote:
> This is coming from a person who can't play guitar
> worth a damn, so please take it with a grain of salt.
> To me, the whole point of the surf guitar 101 exercise
> is to make this world of music more accessible to the
> masses. If you want to do this, you should probably
> use every tool available. This message board is one
> of those tools. I think the idea of peer reviewed
> tabs is excellent for people like me. I love surf
> music and getting the chance to hear directly from
> people like Ivan, Dave Wronski, Fenrec and a whole
> host of other guys who produce the art, is amazing.
> (Honestly, it is better than amazing, you guys are
> great.)
I just thought I would chime in here about Tabs, and to also say that
being mentioned in the company of Mssrs. Wronski and Pongracic is good
company indeed.
The last song I tabbed out was the solo in "Bells of St. Kahuna" and I
did it to try and help me understand how Dave puts his parts together,
and it was so complex that I had to learn it a phrase at a time. I
would have written it out in notation, except that I don't read music.
Tab is, in many ways, superior to notation for guitar as it shows
finger positions. On the guitar you can, of course, play one note at
many different frets, each position giving the note a different feel
and sound. It is also good to know hand positions for scales-
sometimes a lick that is impossible in one position is quite easy in
another.
That said, if you have the patience, try to learn songs by ear. Check
out the Tascam CD-GT1, it will slow yer CDs down to a crawl so you
hear all those blistering 64th notes.
But really, the most important thing to do as a new player is to play,
a lot. By ear, by tab, watch instructional DVDs, pick up songs from
friends, just play.
Fenrec
(Ferenc)
Thanks for the advice Ferenc, and sorry I spelled your
name wrong. I got all the letters, just not the
correct order.
You're right, the crucial thing is to just get in
there and play, using all means available. Time
however, is a precious thing. Thanks again for your
advice.
Patrick
--- Pollo Del Mar <> wrote:
> --- In , Patrick
> Shiflett
> <p_shiflett@y...> wrote:
> > This is coming from a person who can't play guitar
> > worth a damn, so please take it with a grain of
> salt.
> > To me, the whole point of the surf guitar 101
> exercise
> > is to make this world of music more accessible to
> the
> > masses. If you want to do this, you should
> probably
> > use every tool available. This message board is
> one
> > of those tools. I think the idea of peer reviewed
> > tabs is excellent for people like me. I love surf
> > music and getting the chance to hear directly from
> > people like Ivan, Dave Wronski, Fenrec and a whole
> > host of other guys who produce the art, is
> amazing.
> > (Honestly, it is better than amazing, you guys are
> > great.)
>
> I just thought I would chime in here about Tabs, and
> to also say that
> being mentioned in the company of Mssrs. Wronski and
> Pongracic is good
> company indeed.
>
> The last song I tabbed out was the solo in "Bells of
> St. Kahuna" and I
> did it to try and help me understand how Dave puts
> his parts together,
> and it was so complex that I had to learn it a
> phrase at a time. I
> would have written it out in notation, except that I
> don't read music.
> Tab is, in many ways, superior to notation for
> guitar as it shows
> finger positions. On the guitar you can, of course,
> play one note at
> many different frets, each position giving the note
> a different feel
> and sound. It is also good to know hand positions
> for scales-
> sometimes a lick that is impossible in one position
> is quite easy in
> another.
>
> That said, if you have the patience, try to learn
> songs by ear. Check
> out the Tascam CD-GT1, it will slow yer CDs down to
> a crawl so you
> hear all those blistering 64th notes.
>
> But really, the most important thing to do as a new
> player is to play,
> a lot. By ear, by tab, watch instructional DVDs,
> pick up songs from
> friends, just play.
>
> Fenrec
> (Ferenc)
>
>
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Ivan,
Didn't mean to create the impression that I COULD play Stevie Ray's
bitchen solos. I meant that I could if I bought the books and videos
and practiced but I'm cheap and lazy. I made it about half way
through a tab of Mary Had a Little Lamb, got sidetracked lost the
magazine, and never learned the whole song. Plus the tuning down a
half step is a bit of a pain in the butt. Again the lazy thing.
I did just listen to Baja and all I can say is DOH! I wasn't
listening closely enough. It is way easier than I was trying to make
it. Don't have it down yet but I know where the notes are.
I'm listening to Texas Flood and thinking maybe I should get some SRV
tab. Saw him on a Direct TV Freeview concert a couple weeks ago, Live
at Montreaux Jazz Festival 1985, it reminded me just how amazing he
was. And he did play Pipeline with Dick Dale in a Frankie and Annette
movie so he must be a surf guitarist too.
GT
--- In , "Pollo Del Mar" <ferencnd@n...>
wrote:
> --- In , Patrick Shiflett
> <p_shiflett@y...> wrote:
> > This is coming from a person who can't play guitar
> > worth a damn, so please take it with a grain of salt.
> > To me, the whole point of the surf guitar 101 exercise
> > is to make this world of music more accessible to the
> > masses. If you want to do this, you should probably
> > use every tool available. This message board is one
> > of those tools. I think the idea of peer reviewed
> > tabs is excellent for people like me. I love surf
> > music and getting the chance to hear directly from
> > people like Ivan, Dave Wronski, Fenrec and a whole
> > host of other guys who produce the art, is amazing.
> > (Honestly, it is better than amazing, you guys are
> > great.)
>
> I just thought I would chime in here about Tabs, and to also say
that
> being mentioned in the company of Mssrs. Wronski and Pongracic is
good
> company indeed.
I want to chime in here as well, and say that I feel the same as
Ferenc, a distinguished member of the surf music community as well as
a truly excellent musician. Thank you Patrick for the nice
compliment.
> The last song I tabbed out was the solo in "Bells of St. Kahuna"
and I
> did it to try and help me understand how Dave puts his parts
together,
> and it was so complex that I had to learn it a phrase at a time.
Though certainly of very limited memory when it comes to non-music
things (just ask my wife!), I seem to have developed a good memory
for music. It was definitely developed rather than innate, BTW. I
worked at it (try to go through all the songs you know every few
months, and keep at it for years). When learning new songs I've been
able to learn them without having to rely on tabs, which is nice.
But...
> Tab is, in many ways, superior to notation for guitar as it shows
> finger positions. On the guitar you can, of course, play one note at
> many different frets, each position giving the note a different feel
> and sound. It is also good to know hand positions for scales-
> sometimes a lick that is impossible in one position is quite easy in
> another.
ABsolutely right.
> That said, if you have the patience, try to learn songs by ear.
Even more absolutely right.
> But really, the most important thing to do as a new player is to
play,
> a lot. By ear, by tab, watch instructional DVDs, pick up songs from
> friends, just play.
Can't get more absolutely right than this!! You got it, Ferenc.
Myself, I learned to play the guitar with tab. I used to subscribe
to the old magazine Guitar For Practicing Musician, which was the
first guitar mag with full songs transcribed in tab. Between '84
and '89 I learned dozens of songs through this method, and I picked
up many techniques by staring at the tabs.
However, I was learning a lot of different styles back then, and some
of it was pretty complex. Learning surf songs is a great way to
develop one's ear, cause many are so simple. One of the first songs
I figured out completely by ear, back in '87, was "Moon Dawg" by the
Beach Boys, and boy was I proud of that! (That's still my favorite
version of that song, and I still remember how to play it! My first
surf song [sigh]...) Since then I've learned many a surf song by
ear, and it has allowed me to learn some more complicated stuff by
ear, too. The thing that really developed my ear was learning some
50 or 60 or however many Shadows songs I know. Many of those sound
simple but are often pretty complex. THAT was a good bit of
school.... I'd definitely highly recommend it. Figuring out Man Of
Mystery completely by ear (including the solo) gives one tremendous
confidence...
anyway, if you guys want to do the communal tab, it may be a good
thing for the very beginning guitarsists. But anybody with more than
a year or two of playing experience, I'd recommend just buckling down
and listening really hard. You'll be amazed what you start noticing
when you do that...
Ivan
