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That is somewhat interesting, Bill.
The relative tension difference that juststrings reports, about 2% for these
high E-strings, is small enough that this is probably testing error. Is the
difference greater for the thicker plain strings? I think the more significant
reduction in tension is going to be felt in the lower strings with thinner
cores.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: supertwangreverb
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 2:39 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: In the bowels of the ($399) beast(STRINGS)
Marty,
This is taken from juststrings.com.
Daddario 1st E Plain Steel Locked Twist Ball End .012 Diameter
23.3 Tension in lbs.
Thomastik Infeld 1st E Plain Steel .012 Diameter 22.8 Tension in lbs
Regards,
Bill
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> Okay, I'll buy thatBill,
>
> There would definitly be a difference in wrapped strings if they
had different sized cores. I'd want to see data on differences in
tension in the plain strings given the same gage and pitch.
> -Marty
>
> Marty,
> ...there is a
> difference in the tension in pounds between the steel strings
from
> D'Addario and Thomastik within the same diameter string (the high
e
> from both sets have different tensions in ibs), this will have
some
> effect on your neck.
>
> When it comes to the difference between Pyramid, Thomastik, and
> D'addario wound strings it is highly noticable. The D'addarios
are
> wrapped much tighter than the Pyramids and Thomastiks. This is
> noticable to the feel when sliding your fingers over the wound
> strings, and the actual tension in them when they are tuned to
pitch.
> Because the D'Addarios are wrapped tighter they feel flatter and
> faster when rubbing your fingers along them. Try this with a
fresh
> set of nickel flats and your finger tips will appear dirty.
>
> I don't care if you take my recommendations with a grain of
salt.
> However, if you believe all these "gages" of strings are so
similar.
> I'd be more inclined to take your recommendations on finger-ease
with
> a grain of salt than a tech from the Rick forum.
>
>
> Regards,
> Bill
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > Hey Bill,
> >
> > I'm not writing off Pyramids completely. I'm sure they are a
fine
> string. And, as I stated at the end of my post, I still intend to
try
> them.
> >
> > The point is, I am compelled to take such glowing praise of the
> strings with a grain of salt if that praise is accompanied by a
fable
> such as the Finger-ease story from the "well respected" Rick
luthier.
> >
> > In addition, statements such as "(D'Addarios) are too thick
and
> they have too much tension..." lead me to take the recommendation
of
> Pyramids with another grain of salt. D'Addarios are only as thick
as
> the gage that you select. The tension, within humanly detectable
> limits, is the same as the tension of a Pyramid string of the
same
> gage tuned to the same frequency.
> >
> > -Marty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: supertwangreverb
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 9:29 AM
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: In the bowels of the ($399) beast
> (STRINGS)
> >
> >
> > Marty,
> >
> >
> > I got my information finger-ease from a respected
Rickenbacker
> > luthier on the voxtalks.com a few years back. There is
another
> > product called fastfret as well which I've heard is not good
for
> the
> > frets. What it does if over sprayed on the fretboard it
> saturates
> > and gets under the frets making it harder to pull them off.
> >
> > As for the "tall tales" on the Pyramids it's your loss until
you
> try
> > them. As I stated in the tone thread I like to try things
out
> with
> > my rig, instead of writting them off as "bull." Do you use
> > roundwound or flatwound strings? You said you had no trouble
> with
> > the longevity of Ernie Balls, I thought I had tried every
> flatwound
> > brand out there. If you don't like flatwound strings then I
take
> > back my Pyramid recommendation.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> > <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > > Respectfully , Bill,
> > >
> > > That's a load-a-bull! I've been using Finger-ease since the
> early
> > 70's and I've never heard a guitar tech complain about gunk
> building
> > up under frets making them hard to remove. If you have a tech
> telling
> > you that, get a new tech.
> > >
> > > Tall tales like this make me believe that your glowing
praise
> of
> > Pyramid strings is a bit overstated. Never-the-less, if I
find a
> set
> > at a resonable price, I will try them and give my honest
review.
> > >
> > > I have had no problem with the longevity of D'Addarios, or
even
> > Ernie Balls or Fender strings for that matter.
> > >
> > > -Marty
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: supertwangreverb
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:30 AM
> > > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: In the bowels of the ($399)
beast
> > (STRINGS)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <<$23.50 for a set of guitar strings?!! Yes, I know they
are
> pure
> > > nickel. Yes I
> > > know you say they last longer. But I get very good life
out
> of my
> > > D'Addario's.
> > > I use clean hands and Finger-ease regularly which reduces
> > friction
> > > thus keeping
> > > the strings purdy clean.>>
> > >
> > > The Pyramids should last 2-3 times longer than the
> D'addarios.
> > This
> > > will make up the price difference! Plus your guitar is
going
> to
> > > sound better! I used to use D'addarios, I'll admit my
spare
> set
> > is
> > > D'addarios, but those strings BLOW! They are too thick
and
> they
> > have
> > > too much tension, and again they will wear down your
frets
> faster.
> > >
> > > Finger-ease is something you do not want to use, I have
been
> told
> > by
> > > many techs that they HATE doing fret work on guitars that
> have
> > been
> > > sprayed with that stuff. It gunks up under frets and
makes
> it
> > tough
> > > to pull them off...I used it all the time on my
Rickenbacker
> and
> > I
> > > had a tech tell me he would not touch that guitar.
> > >
> > > If you get Pyramids wipe them down when you finish
playing
> and
> > rub
> > > lighter fluid onto them once a week.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > www.freewebs.com/reluctantaquanauts
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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