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Marty,
Unless I'm misunderstanding you here you are saying there is no
difference in tension between the Pyramids and the D'Addarios. That
is just wrong, for example I used the D'addario 12 Chromes for over a
year on my Stratocaster and when switiching over to the Thomastik-
Infeld 12 flats the neck need to be adjusted to make up for the
difference in tension between the two brands. I believe the actual
wound strings in the Thomastik and Pyramid sets are of lighter gauge
than the D'Addarios so obviously the tension would be different(which
I think you were saying). This is not my point...however, there is a
difference in the tension in pounds between the steel strings from
D'Addario and Thomastik within the same diameter string (the high e
from both sets have different tensions in ibs), this will have some
effect on your neck.
When it comes to the difference between Pyramid, Thomastik, and
D'addario wound strings it is highly noticable. The D'addarios are
wrapped much tighter than the Pyramids and Thomastiks. This is
noticable to the feel when sliding your fingers over the wound
strings, and the actual tension in them when they are tuned to pitch.
Because the D'Addarios are wrapped tighter they feel flatter and
faster when rubbing your fingers along them. Try this with a fresh
set of nickel flats and your finger tips will appear dirty.
I don't care if you take my recommendations with a grain of salt.
However, if you believe all these "gages" of strings are so similar.
I'd be more inclined to take your recommendations on finger-ease with
a grain of salt than a tech from the Rick forum.
Regards,
Bill
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> Hey Bill,
>
> I'm not writing off Pyramids completely. I'm sure they are a fine
string. And, as I stated at the end of my post, I still intend to try
them.
>
> The point is, I am compelled to take such glowing praise of the
strings with a grain of salt if that praise is accompanied by a fable
such as the Finger-ease story from the "well respected" Rick luthier.
>
> In addition, statements such as "(D'Addarios) are too thick and
they have too much tension..." lead me to take the recommendation of
Pyramids with another grain of salt. D'Addarios are only as thick as
the gage that you select. The tension, within humanly detectable
limits, is the same as the tension of a Pyramid string of the same
gage tuned to the same frequency.
>
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: supertwangreverb
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 9:29 AM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: In the bowels of the ($399) beast
(STRINGS)
>
>
> Marty,
>
>
> I got my information finger-ease from a respected Rickenbacker
> luthier on the voxtalks.com a few years back. There is another
> product called fastfret as well which I've heard is not good for
the
> frets. What it does if over sprayed on the fretboard it
saturates
> and gets under the frets making it harder to pull them off.
>
> As for the "tall tales" on the Pyramids it's your loss until you
try
> them. As I stated in the tone thread I like to try things out
with
> my rig, instead of writting them off as "bull." Do you use
> roundwound or flatwound strings? You said you had no trouble
with
> the longevity of Ernie Balls, I thought I had tried every
flatwound
> brand out there. If you don't like flatwound strings then I take
> back my Pyramid recommendation.
>
> Regards,
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > Respectfully , Bill,
> >
> > That's a load-a-bull! I've been using Finger-ease since the
early
> 70's and I've never heard a guitar tech complain about gunk
building
> up under frets making them hard to remove. If you have a tech
telling
> you that, get a new tech.
> >
> > Tall tales like this make me believe that your glowing praise
of
> Pyramid strings is a bit overstated. Never-the-less, if I find a
set
> at a resonable price, I will try them and give my honest review.
> >
> > I have had no problem with the longevity of D'Addarios, or even
> Ernie Balls or Fender strings for that matter.
> >
> > -Marty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: supertwangreverb
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:30 AM
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: In the bowels of the ($399) beast
> (STRINGS)
> >
> >
> >
> > <<$23.50 for a set of guitar strings?!! Yes, I know they are
pure
> > nickel. Yes I
> > know you say they last longer. But I get very good life out
of my
> > D'Addario's.
> > I use clean hands and Finger-ease regularly which reduces
> friction
> > thus keeping
> > the strings purdy clean.>>
> >
> > The Pyramids should last 2-3 times longer than the
D'addarios.
> This
> > will make up the price difference! Plus your guitar is going
to
> > sound better! I used to use D'addarios, I'll admit my spare
set
> is
> > D'addarios, but those strings BLOW! They are too thick and
they
> have
> > too much tension, and again they will wear down your frets
faster.
> >
> > Finger-ease is something you do not want to use, I have been
told
> by
> > many techs that they HATE doing fret work on guitars that
have
> been
> > sprayed with that stuff. It gunks up under frets and makes
it
> tough
> > to pull them off...I used it all the time on my Rickenbacker
and
> I
> > had a tech tell me he would not touch that guitar.
> >
> > If you get Pyramids wipe them down when you finish playing
and
> rub
> > lighter fluid onto them once a week.
> >
> > Bill
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Okay, I'll buy thatBill,
There would definitly be a difference in wrapped strings if they had different
sized cores. I'd want to see data on differences in tension in the plain strings
given the same gage and pitch.
-Marty
Marty,
...there is a
difference in the tension in pounds between the steel strings from
D'Addario and Thomastik within the same diameter string (the high e
from both sets have different tensions in ibs), this will have some
effect on your neck.
When it comes to the difference between Pyramid, Thomastik, and
D'addario wound strings it is highly noticable. The D'addarios are
wrapped much tighter than the Pyramids and Thomastiks. This is
noticable to the feel when sliding your fingers over the wound
strings, and the actual tension in them when they are tuned to pitch.
Because the D'Addarios are wrapped tighter they feel flatter and
faster when rubbing your fingers along them. Try this with a fresh
set of nickel flats and your finger tips will appear dirty.
I don't care if you take my recommendations with a grain of salt.
However, if you believe all these "gages" of strings are so similar.
I'd be more inclined to take your recommendations on finger-ease with
a grain of salt than a tech from the Rick forum.
Regards,
Bill
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> Hey Bill,
>
> I'm not writing off Pyramids completely. I'm sure they are a fine
string. And, as I stated at the end of my post, I still intend to try
them.
>
> The point is, I am compelled to take such glowing praise of the
strings with a grain of salt if that praise is accompanied by a fable
such as the Finger-ease story from the "well respected" Rick luthier.
>
> In addition, statements such as "(D'Addarios) are too thick and
they have too much tension..." lead me to take the recommendation of
Pyramids with another grain of salt. D'Addarios are only as thick as
the gage that you select. The tension, within humanly detectable
limits, is the same as the tension of a Pyramid string of the same
gage tuned to the same frequency.
>
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: supertwangreverb
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 9:29 AM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: In the bowels of the ($399) beast
(STRINGS)
>
>
> Marty,
>
>
> I got my information finger-ease from a respected Rickenbacker
> luthier on the voxtalks.com a few years back. There is another
> product called fastfret as well which I've heard is not good for
the
> frets. What it does if over sprayed on the fretboard it
saturates
> and gets under the frets making it harder to pull them off.
>
> As for the "tall tales" on the Pyramids it's your loss until you
try
> them. As I stated in the tone thread I like to try things out
with
> my rig, instead of writting them off as "bull." Do you use
> roundwound or flatwound strings? You said you had no trouble
with
> the longevity of Ernie Balls, I thought I had tried every
flatwound
> brand out there. If you don't like flatwound strings then I take
> back my Pyramid recommendation.
>
> Regards,
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > Respectfully , Bill,
> >
> > That's a load-a-bull! I've been using Finger-ease since the
early
> 70's and I've never heard a guitar tech complain about gunk
building
> up under frets making them hard to remove. If you have a tech
telling
> you that, get a new tech.
> >
> > Tall tales like this make me believe that your glowing praise
of
> Pyramid strings is a bit overstated. Never-the-less, if I find a
set
> at a resonable price, I will try them and give my honest review.
> >
> > I have had no problem with the longevity of D'Addarios, or even
> Ernie Balls or Fender strings for that matter.
> >
> > -Marty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: supertwangreverb
> > To:
> > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:30 AM
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: In the bowels of the ($399) beast
> (STRINGS)
> >
> >
> >
> > <<$23.50 for a set of guitar strings?!! Yes, I know they are
pure
> > nickel. Yes I
> > know you say they last longer. But I get very good life out
of my
> > D'Addario's.
> > I use clean hands and Finger-ease regularly which reduces
> friction
> > thus keeping
> > the strings purdy clean.>>
> >
> > The Pyramids should last 2-3 times longer than the
D'addarios.
> This
> > will make up the price difference! Plus your guitar is going
to
> > sound better! I used to use D'addarios, I'll admit my spare
set
> is
> > D'addarios, but those strings BLOW! They are too thick and
they
> have
> > too much tension, and again they will wear down your frets
faster.
> >
> > Finger-ease is something you do not want to use, I have been
told
> by
> > many techs that they HATE doing fret work on guitars that
have
> been
> > sprayed with that stuff. It gunks up under frets and makes
it
> tough
> > to pull them off...I used it all the time on my Rickenbacker
and
> I
> > had a tech tell me he would not touch that guitar.
> >
> > If you get Pyramids wipe them down when you finish playing
and
> rub
> > lighter fluid onto them once a week.
> >
> > Bill
> >
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Marty,
This is taken from juststrings.com.
Daddario 1st E Plain Steel Locked Twist Ball End .012 Diameter
23.3 Tension in lbs.
Thomastik Infeld 1st E Plain Steel .012 Diameter 22.8 Tension in lbs
Regards,
Bill
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> Okay, I'll buy thatBill,
>
> There would definitly be a difference in wrapped strings if they
had different sized cores. I'd want to see data on differences in
tension in the plain strings given the same gage and pitch.
> -Marty
>
> Marty,
> ...there is a
> difference in the tension in pounds between the steel strings
from
> D'Addario and Thomastik within the same diameter string (the high
e
> from both sets have different tensions in ibs), this will have
some
> effect on your neck.
>
> When it comes to the difference between Pyramid, Thomastik, and
> D'addario wound strings it is highly noticable. The D'addarios
are
> wrapped much tighter than the Pyramids and Thomastiks. This is
> noticable to the feel when sliding your fingers over the wound
> strings, and the actual tension in them when they are tuned to
pitch.
> Because the D'Addarios are wrapped tighter they feel flatter and
> faster when rubbing your fingers along them. Try this with a
fresh
> set of nickel flats and your finger tips will appear dirty.
>
> I don't care if you take my recommendations with a grain of
salt.
> However, if you believe all these "gages" of strings are so
similar.
> I'd be more inclined to take your recommendations on finger-ease
with
> a grain of salt than a tech from the Rick forum.
>
>
> Regards,
> Bill
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > Hey Bill,
> >
> > I'm not writing off Pyramids completely. I'm sure they are a
fine
> string. And, as I stated at the end of my post, I still intend to
try
> them.
> >
> > The point is, I am compelled to take such glowing praise of the
> strings with a grain of salt if that praise is accompanied by a
fable
> such as the Finger-ease story from the "well respected" Rick
luthier.
> >
> > In addition, statements such as "(D'Addarios) are too thick
and
> they have too much tension..." lead me to take the recommendation
of
> Pyramids with another grain of salt. D'Addarios are only as thick
as
> the gage that you select. The tension, within humanly detectable
> limits, is the same as the tension of a Pyramid string of the
same
> gage tuned to the same frequency.
> >
> > -Marty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: supertwangreverb
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 9:29 AM
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: In the bowels of the ($399) beast
> (STRINGS)
> >
> >
> > Marty,
> >
> >
> > I got my information finger-ease from a respected
Rickenbacker
> > luthier on the voxtalks.com a few years back. There is
another
> > product called fastfret as well which I've heard is not good
for
> the
> > frets. What it does if over sprayed on the fretboard it
> saturates
> > and gets under the frets making it harder to pull them off.
> >
> > As for the "tall tales" on the Pyramids it's your loss until
you
> try
> > them. As I stated in the tone thread I like to try things
out
> with
> > my rig, instead of writting them off as "bull." Do you use
> > roundwound or flatwound strings? You said you had no trouble
> with
> > the longevity of Ernie Balls, I thought I had tried every
> flatwound
> > brand out there. If you don't like flatwound strings then I
take
> > back my Pyramid recommendation.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> > <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > > Respectfully , Bill,
> > >
> > > That's a load-a-bull! I've been using Finger-ease since the
> early
> > 70's and I've never heard a guitar tech complain about gunk
> building
> > up under frets making them hard to remove. If you have a tech
> telling
> > you that, get a new tech.
> > >
> > > Tall tales like this make me believe that your glowing
praise
> of
> > Pyramid strings is a bit overstated. Never-the-less, if I
find a
> set
> > at a resonable price, I will try them and give my honest
review.
> > >
> > > I have had no problem with the longevity of D'Addarios, or
even
> > Ernie Balls or Fender strings for that matter.
> > >
> > > -Marty
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: supertwangreverb
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:30 AM
> > > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: In the bowels of the ($399)
beast
> > (STRINGS)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <<$23.50 for a set of guitar strings?!! Yes, I know they
are
> pure
> > > nickel. Yes I
> > > know you say they last longer. But I get very good life
out
> of my
> > > D'Addario's.
> > > I use clean hands and Finger-ease regularly which reduces
> > friction
> > > thus keeping
> > > the strings purdy clean.>>
> > >
> > > The Pyramids should last 2-3 times longer than the
> D'addarios.
> > This
> > > will make up the price difference! Plus your guitar is
going
> to
> > > sound better! I used to use D'addarios, I'll admit my
spare
> set
> > is
> > > D'addarios, but those strings BLOW! They are too thick
and
> they
> > have
> > > too much tension, and again they will wear down your
frets
> faster.
> > >
> > > Finger-ease is something you do not want to use, I have
been
> told
> > by
> > > many techs that they HATE doing fret work on guitars that
> have
> > been
> > > sprayed with that stuff. It gunks up under frets and
makes
> it
> > tough
> > > to pull them off...I used it all the time on my
Rickenbacker
> and
> > I
> > > had a tech tell me he would not touch that guitar.
> > >
> > > If you get Pyramids wipe them down when you finish
playing
> and
> > rub
> > > lighter fluid onto them once a week.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
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Here's a guy in CA that sells them for $22:
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That is somewhat interesting, Bill.
The relative tension difference that juststrings reports, about 2% for these
high E-strings, is small enough that this is probably testing error. Is the
difference greater for the thicker plain strings? I think the more significant
reduction in tension is going to be felt in the lower strings with thinner
cores.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: supertwangreverb
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 2:39 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: In the bowels of the ($399) beast(STRINGS)
Marty,
This is taken from juststrings.com.
Daddario 1st E Plain Steel Locked Twist Ball End .012 Diameter
23.3 Tension in lbs.
Thomastik Infeld 1st E Plain Steel .012 Diameter 22.8 Tension in lbs
Regards,
Bill
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> Okay, I'll buy thatBill,
>
> There would definitly be a difference in wrapped strings if they
had different sized cores. I'd want to see data on differences in
tension in the plain strings given the same gage and pitch.
> -Marty
>
> Marty,
> ...there is a
> difference in the tension in pounds between the steel strings
from
> D'Addario and Thomastik within the same diameter string (the high
e
> from both sets have different tensions in ibs), this will have
some
> effect on your neck.
>
> When it comes to the difference between Pyramid, Thomastik, and
> D'addario wound strings it is highly noticable. The D'addarios
are
> wrapped much tighter than the Pyramids and Thomastiks. This is
> noticable to the feel when sliding your fingers over the wound
> strings, and the actual tension in them when they are tuned to
pitch.
> Because the D'Addarios are wrapped tighter they feel flatter and
> faster when rubbing your fingers along them. Try this with a
fresh
> set of nickel flats and your finger tips will appear dirty.
>
> I don't care if you take my recommendations with a grain of
salt.
> However, if you believe all these "gages" of strings are so
similar.
> I'd be more inclined to take your recommendations on finger-ease
with
> a grain of salt than a tech from the Rick forum.
>
>
> Regards,
> Bill
>
> --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > Hey Bill,
> >
> > I'm not writing off Pyramids completely. I'm sure they are a
fine
> string. And, as I stated at the end of my post, I still intend to
try
> them.
> >
> > The point is, I am compelled to take such glowing praise of the
> strings with a grain of salt if that praise is accompanied by a
fable
> such as the Finger-ease story from the "well respected" Rick
luthier.
> >
> > In addition, statements such as "(D'Addarios) are too thick
and
> they have too much tension..." lead me to take the recommendation
of
> Pyramids with another grain of salt. D'Addarios are only as thick
as
> the gage that you select. The tension, within humanly detectable
> limits, is the same as the tension of a Pyramid string of the
same
> gage tuned to the same frequency.
> >
> > -Marty
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: supertwangreverb
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 9:29 AM
> > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: In the bowels of the ($399) beast
> (STRINGS)
> >
> >
> > Marty,
> >
> >
> > I got my information finger-ease from a respected
Rickenbacker
> > luthier on the voxtalks.com a few years back. There is
another
> > product called fastfret as well which I've heard is not good
for
> the
> > frets. What it does if over sprayed on the fretboard it
> saturates
> > and gets under the frets making it harder to pull them off.
> >
> > As for the "tall tales" on the Pyramids it's your loss until
you
> try
> > them. As I stated in the tone thread I like to try things
out
> with
> > my rig, instead of writting them off as "bull." Do you use
> > roundwound or flatwound strings? You said you had no trouble
> with
> > the longevity of Ernie Balls, I thought I had tried every
> flatwound
> > brand out there. If you don't like flatwound strings then I
take
> > back my Pyramid recommendation.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , "Marty Tippens"
> > <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> > > Respectfully , Bill,
> > >
> > > That's a load-a-bull! I've been using Finger-ease since the
> early
> > 70's and I've never heard a guitar tech complain about gunk
> building
> > up under frets making them hard to remove. If you have a tech
> telling
> > you that, get a new tech.
> > >
> > > Tall tales like this make me believe that your glowing
praise
> of
> > Pyramid strings is a bit overstated. Never-the-less, if I
find a
> set
> > at a resonable price, I will try them and give my honest
review.
> > >
> > > I have had no problem with the longevity of D'Addarios, or
even
> > Ernie Balls or Fender strings for that matter.
> > >
> > > -Marty
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: supertwangreverb
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:30 AM
> > > Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: In the bowels of the ($399)
beast
> > (STRINGS)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <<$23.50 for a set of guitar strings?!! Yes, I know they
are
> pure
> > > nickel. Yes I
> > > know you say they last longer. But I get very good life
out
> of my
> > > D'Addario's.
> > > I use clean hands and Finger-ease regularly which reduces
> > friction
> > > thus keeping
> > > the strings purdy clean.>>
> > >
> > > The Pyramids should last 2-3 times longer than the
> D'addarios.
> > This
> > > will make up the price difference! Plus your guitar is
going
> to
> > > sound better! I used to use D'addarios, I'll admit my
spare
> set
> > is
> > > D'addarios, but those strings BLOW! They are too thick
and
> they
> > have
> > > too much tension, and again they will wear down your
frets
> faster.
> > >
> > > Finger-ease is something you do not want to use, I have
been
> told
> > by
> > > many techs that they HATE doing fret work on guitars that
> have
> > been
> > > sprayed with that stuff. It gunks up under frets and
makes
> it
> > tough
> > > to pull them off...I used it all the time on my
Rickenbacker
> and
> > I
> > > had a tech tell me he would not touch that guitar.
> > >
> > > If you get Pyramids wipe them down when you finish
playing
> and
> > rub
> > > lighter fluid onto them once a week.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > www.freewebs.com/reluctantaquanauts
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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Hi,
This is a very interesting discussion regarding the strings.
The Pyramids are a somewhat difference set then the d'Addario's.
Pyramid 0.11 goes to 0.48, while the d'Addario goes from 0.11 to 0.50.
So the whole d'Addario set has more tension, giving it's thicker lower
strings.
I also think that since the d'Addario are "Chrome steel" the tension of
this matirial is somewhat higher then plain Nickel as used on both
Thomastik and Pyramid. I also tried "Gibson flats (nickel as well) which
also sounded very good, and had a lower "overall" tension then the
d'Addario's.
I also made a small comparison between 0.15/0.16 G-strings between round
wound sets, D'addario's plain G has more tension then any other set I
tried. (I'm talking here on their plain XL-0.10 roundwoud set) I always
have a problem getting the right intonation with this d'Addario set, so
I tried diferent brands, same set, same string thickness. These dont
have the higher tension on that particular set.
These are just my observations, not a science test.
-Jerry S.
Your observing that a plain G has higher tension than a wound G makes perfect
sense, Jerry. A wound G, say gage .022, will have possibly a .009 or .010 string
as it's core. It's the core that provides the tension. An unwound G of the same
gage, .022, is going to be much stiffer.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 11:06 PM
Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Re: In the bowels of the ($399) beast(STRINGS)
Hi,
This is a very interesting discussion regarding the strings.
The Pyramids are a somewhat difference set then the d'Addario's.
Pyramid 0.11 goes to 0.48, while the d'Addario goes from 0.11 to 0.50.
So the whole d'Addario set has more tension, giving it's thicker lower
strings.
I also think that since the d'Addario are "Chrome steel" the tension of
this matirial is somewhat higher then plain Nickel as used on both
Thomastik and Pyramid. I also tried "Gibson flats (nickel as well) which
also sounded very good, and had a lower "overall" tension then the
d'Addario's.
I also made a small comparison between 0.15/0.16 G-strings between round
wound sets, D'addario's plain G has more tension then any other set I
tried. (I'm talking here on their plain XL-0.10 roundwoud set) I always
have a problem getting the right intonation with this d'Addario set, so
I tried diferent brands, same set, same string thickness. These dont
have the higher tension on that particular set.
These are just my observations, not a science test.
-Jerry S.
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Just to add a little bit of science to this discussion.
The general idea to most people is that the string gauge determines the
tension.
This is not 100% correct.
What determines the tension is the mass (weight) of a string.
The heavier a string the more tension.
In general you can say that bigger strings are heavier.
But you can have two strings of the same gauge, and if one constructor uses
lighter materials or a wrap that is less tight then you can have different
tension.
Roland Bettenville
-------Original Message-------
From:
Date: Sunday, April 04, 2004 09:07:07
To:
Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Re: In the bowels of the ($399) beast(STRINGS)
Hi,
This is a very interesting discussion regarding the strings.
The Pyramids are a somewhat difference set then the d'Addario's.
Pyramid 0.11 goes to 0.48, while the d'Addario goes from 0.11 to 0.50.
So the whole d'Addario set has more tension, giving it's thicker lower
strings.
I also think that since the d'Addario are "Chrome steel" the tension of
this matirial is somewhat higher then plain Nickel as used on both
Thomastik and Pyramid. I also tried "Gibson flats (nickel as well) which
also sounded very good, and had a lower "overall" tension then the
d'Addario's.
I also made a small comparison between 0.15/0.16 G-strings between round
wound sets, D'addario's plain G has more tension then any other set I
tried. (I'm talking here on their plain XL-0.10 roundwoud set) I always
have a problem getting the right intonation with this d'Addario set, so
I tried diferent brands, same set, same string thickness. These dont
have the higher tension on that particular set.
These are just my observations, not a science test.
-Jerry S.
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--- Roland Bettenville <>
wrote:
> Just to add a little bit of science to this
> discussion.
> The general idea to most people is that the string
> gauge determines the
> tension.
> This is not 100% correct.
I want to add, that for wound strings, it seems like
the core wire gauge is determining the tension more so
than the overall gauge, so an 050 low e-string from
GHS Boomers is feeling tighter than a 052 low e-string
by Thomastik or Pyramid.
Sustain is more related to mass, than to tension I
feel, and the overtones are all there in any string,
its just a matter how long they stay audible with the
basic tone.
KK
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Roland,
I think most people are aware that a nylon string, for instance, can be a
much thicker gage but produce a lot less tension when brought to pitch.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kahuna Kawentzmann" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 4:34 AM
Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Re: In the bowels of the ($399) beast(STRINGS)
>
> --- Roland Bettenville <>
> wrote:
> > Just to add a little bit of science to this
> > discussion.
> > The general idea to most people is that the string
> > gauge determines the
> > tension.
> > This is not 100% correct.
>
>
> I want to add, that for wound strings, it seems like
> the core wire gauge is determining the tension more so
> than the overall gauge, so an 050 low e-string from
> GHS Boomers is feeling tighter than a 052 low e-string
> by Thomastik or Pyramid.
>
> Sustain is more related to mass, than to tension I
> feel, and the overtones are all there in any string,
> it's just a matter how long they stay audible with the
> basic tone.
>
> KK
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I found this in several places on the web:
T = 4 * F^2 * L^2 * Ï * (0.5*d)^2 * Ï?
It is Mersenneâs Law where string Tension is given as the function of Frequncy
(squared), Length (squared), and density.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Roland Bettenville
To:
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 2:31 AM
Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Re: In the bowels of the ($399) beast(STRINGS)
Just to add a little bit of science to this discussion.
The general idea to most people is that the string gauge determines the
tension.
This is not 100% correct.
What determines the tension is the mass (weight) of a string.
The heavier a string the more tension.
In general you can say that bigger strings are heavier.
But you can have two strings of the same gauge, and if one constructor uses
lighter materials or a wrap that is less tight then you can have different
tension.
Roland Bettenville
-------Original Message-------
From:
Date: Sunday, April 04, 2004 09:07:07
To:
Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Re: In the bowels of the ($399) beast(STRINGS)
Hi,
This is a very interesting discussion regarding the strings.
The Pyramids are a somewhat difference set then the d'Addario's.
Pyramid 0.11 goes to 0.48, while the d'Addario goes from 0.11 to 0.50.
So the whole d'Addario set has more tension, giving it's thicker lower
strings.
I also think that since the d'Addario are "Chrome steel" the tension of
this matirial is somewhat higher then plain Nickel as used on both
Thomastik and Pyramid. I also tried "Gibson flats (nickel as well) which
also sounded very good, and had a lower "overall" tension then the
d'Addario's.
I also made a small comparison between 0.15/0.16 G-strings between round
wound sets, D'addario's plain G has more tension then any other set I
tried. (I'm talking here on their plain XL-0.10 roundwoud set) I always
have a problem getting the right intonation with this d'Addario set, so
I tried diferent brands, same set, same string thickness. These dont
have the higher tension on that particular set.
These are just my observations, not a science test.
-Jerry S.
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When it comes to sustain things get more complicated.
In a world without friction the string would vibrate forever. However in the
real world the string loses energy, and the way it does is determined by the
string itself, the wood , bridge,nut, vibrato...etc.
But I think most of all your fretting hand, because lets face it, your
fingers are just soft tissue that absorbs all vibrations.
Now if a certain string "feels" better to you, you will be able to let the
string vibrate longer, hence more sustain. Or how a "better" player can make
the same guitar sustain longer. Or how when you are in a bad day you can
sound like crap.
Shows how something subjective and unmeasurable like "feeling" can determine
something objective like sustain.
Roland Bettenville
-------Original Message-------
From:
Date: Sunday, April 04, 2004 13:34:26
To:
Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Re: In the bowels of the ($399) beast(STRINGS)
--- Roland Bettenville <>
wrote:
> Just to add a little bit of science to this
> discussion.
> The general idea to most people is that the string
> gauge determines the
> tension.
> This is not 100% correct.
I want to add, that for wound strings, it seems like
the core wire gauge is determining the tension more so
than the overall gauge, so an 050 low e-string from
GHS Boomers is feeling tighter than a 052 low e-string
by Thomastik or Pyramid.
Sustain is more related to mass, than to tension I
feel, and the overtones are all there in any string,
its just a matter how long they stay audible with the
basic tone.
KK
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I couldn't agree with this more! Your touching on my idea with the
tighter wrapped flatwounds vs. the lighter wrapped. All strings are
not the same!
--- In , "Roland Bettenville"
<roland.bettenville@p...> wrote:
> Just to add a little bit of science to this discussion.
> The general idea to most people is that the string gauge determines
the
> tension.
> This is not 100% correct.
> What determines the tension is the mass (weight) of a string.
> The heavier a string the more tension.
> In general you can say that bigger strings are heavier.
> But you can have two strings of the same gauge, and if one
constructor uses
> lighter materials or a wrap that is less tight then you can have
different
> tension.
>
> Roland Bettenville
>
> roland.bettenville@p...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From:
> Date: Sunday, April 04, 2004 09:07:07
> To:
> Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Re: In the bowels of the ($399) beast
(STRINGS)
>
> Hi,
>
> This is a very interesting discussion regarding the strings.
> The Pyramids are a somewhat difference set then the d'Addario's.
> Pyramid 0.11 goes to 0.48, while the d'Addario goes from 0.11 to
0.50.
> So the whole d'Addario set has more tension, giving it's thicker
lower
> strings.
> I also think that since the d'Addario are "Chrome steel" the
tension of
> this matirial is somewhat higher then plain Nickel as used on both
> Thomastik and Pyramid. I also tried "Gibson flats (nickel as well)
which
> also sounded very good, and had a lower "overall" tension then the
> d'Addario's.
>
> I also made a small comparison between 0.15/0.16 G-strings between
round
> wound sets, D'addario's plain G has more tension then any other set
I
> tried. (I'm talking here on their plain XL-0.10 roundwoud set) I
always
> have a problem getting the right intonation with this d'Addario
set, so
> I tried diferent brands, same set, same string thickness. These dont
> have the higher tension on that particular set.
>
> These are just my observations, not a science test.
>
> -Jerry S.
>
>
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I think you either should play Flatwounds or Rounds...
Bill
--- In , "supertwangreverb"
<supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
>
> I couldn't agree with this more! Your touching on my idea with the
> tighter wrapped flatwounds vs. the lighter wrapped. All strings
are
> not the same!
>
>
> --- In , "Roland Bettenville"
> <roland.bettenville@p...> wrote:
> > Just to add a little bit of science to this discussion.
> > The general idea to most people is that the string gauge
determines
> the
> > tension.
> > This is not 100% correct.
> > What determines the tension is the mass (weight) of a string.
> > The heavier a string the more tension.
> > In general you can say that bigger strings are heavier.
> > But you can have two strings of the same gauge, and if one
> constructor uses
> > lighter materials or a wrap that is less tight then you can have
> different
> > tension.
> >
> > Roland Bettenville
> >
> > roland.bettenville@p...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From:
> > Date: Sunday, April 04, 2004 09:07:07
> > To:
> > Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Re: In the bowels of the ($399) beast
> (STRINGS)
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > This is a very interesting discussion regarding the strings.
> > The Pyramids are a somewhat difference set then the d'Addario's.
> > Pyramid 0.11 goes to 0.48, while the d'Addario goes from 0.11 to
> 0.50.
> > So the whole d'Addario set has more tension, giving it's thicker
> lower
> > strings.
> > I also think that since the d'Addario are "Chrome steel" the
> tension of
> > this matirial is somewhat higher then plain Nickel as used on both
> > Thomastik and Pyramid. I also tried "Gibson flats (nickel as
well)
> which
> > also sounded very good, and had a lower "overall" tension then the
> > d'Addario's.
> >
> > I also made a small comparison between 0.15/0.16 G-strings
between
> round
> > wound sets, D'addario's plain G has more tension then any other
set
> I
> > tried. (I'm talking here on their plain XL-0.10 roundwoud set) I
> always
> > have a problem getting the right intonation with this d'Addario
> set, so
> > I tried diferent brands, same set, same string thickness. These
dont
> > have the higher tension on that particular set.
> >
> > These are just my observations, not a science test.
> >
> > -Jerry S.
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