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Phil,
I agree with you, I KNOW the public thinks Ventures first when they
hear surf band(usually the Beach Boys before that). When I try to
explain my band to the ignorant I say "surf" they say, "like the
Beach Boys" I say, "no, like Dick Dale" they say, "huh" and I say
instrumental, "like the Ventures." Then they get it.
I think the Ventures directly influenced a majority of the surf
bands choices in instruments more than the Shadows did. Those
offset Jazzmasters must have looked good to the younger kids in the
surf bands. Maybe that's why we see a majority of Jazzmaster and
Jaguars being used in these bands. Dick Dale influenced them more
to pick up Stratocasters thank Hank Marvin. I hear a lot of the
Ventures style rhythms in surf, and like you said surf music went on
with reverb, it happened to be Fender reverb, Fender amps were big
as well. Weren't the Shadows big on their Vox amps? You didn't see
that in America until the Beatles. The Ventures sound via Leo
Fender osmosised into the surf sound.
Hardly anyone inside America knows who the hell the Shadows are. I
was talking to a group of 5 girls 19-23 last night, not one knew of
the Shadows, two knew of the Ventures via marching band, and the
other three recalled them when I mentioned "Walk Don't Run."
Bill
--- In , Phil Dirt <phildirt@r...>
wrote:
> I think this is simply not the case. Many sounds were
> dubbed "surf" outside the US to get on the bandwagon,
> or in the same John Q. Public thinks Ventures when you
> say surf, the but the real McCoy bears little
> resemblance to Hank Marvin or anything else Shadows
> related.
>
> Reverb, not tape echo, diferent beats altogether,
> entirely different use of rhythm guitar, melody
> structures also very different. Maybe I've been asleep
> for all these years, but where's the similarity, other
> than guitar based instrumental? Aside from one
> Challengers album, it's just not there.
>
> Phil
>
> --- Shawn Martin <drumuitar@y...> wrote:
> > ...Hank and Bruce probably had a bigger effect
> > through osmosis than did the Ventures. If you
> > listen to a cross-section of surf from the early
> > 60s to now, there is an ungodly amount of it that
> > is blatantly influenced by Hank Marvin. Not only
> > his tone, but his melodic writing style.
>
> =====
