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--- Brian Neal <> wrote:
> Did the Shadows influence the 1st wave of
> surf?
In the US, virtually not at all.
> But what about bands like the Atlantics from
> Australia? They had a direct Shadows influence
> and were considered a surf band as they were
> exposed to both. And I definitely hear the
> Shadows influence in *modern* European surf
> bands where the Shadows influence was inescapable.
Outside the US, many sounds that were guitar dominated
intro were called surf. In a strict sense, their
obvious homage to the Shadows makes them debatable I
suppose, but I sure think of them as surf, at least in
part. The Joy Boys were even covered by the Surfaris
("Murphy The Surfie").
> As for why didn't the Shadows tour the US during
> the British Invasion...well the Shadows weren't
> considered a British Invasion band!
Exactly. The British Invasion was comprised of
basically three sounds, pop bands (Beatles, Gerry and
the Pacemakers, Honeycombs, etc.), the R&B bands
(Rolling Stones, Yardbirds, Pretty Things, Animals,
Them, the Who, etc.), and rock 'n' roll bands (the
Dave Clark Five, the Kinks, and more). OTher British
pop and rock styles did not translate to US audiences.
> Bands like the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Kinks,
> The Who, etc were very different from The Shadows
> at the time and probably looked down their noses
> at those older guys...
I think they were just very different. And as
influences go, the R&B bands rocked the American
garage/punk world, spawning many legendary bands in
reaction to their tuff sound.
> One thing that always kind of bugged me about
> the Ventures is their trend hopping nature.
A trait that earned them two things, the title of the
Chameleons of rock 'n' roll, and longevity through a
period of very rapid musical change. Their brethren
were luckyo to stay together for 3 years.
1961 surf in the US
R&B boom in the UK
1962 British Invasion begins quietly, but false
starts except for the Tornados "Telstar" and
a couple of others
1964 British Invasion full tilt
1965 American garage bands fight back
Folk rock appears, freak beat begins,
1966 American garage bands get psychedelic
1967 San Francisco folk rock tunrs to flower power,
Sunset srtip errupts in daisies and acid,
Loud and ugly is born from the ashes of the
Oxford Circle in the personna of Blue Cheer,
in the UK, flower pop and the Perfumed Garden
goes big time.
1968 Blue Cheer, coupled with Sparrow becoming
Steppenwolf and Jimi Hendrix really coming into
focus mortells heavy metal, and Silver Apples
lays groundwork that errupted in Cabaret Voltaire
a decade later.
The Ventures remained viable through it all in their
own way.
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