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Last edited: Sep 24, 2009 00:02:49

Joelman
ZAK, this time I say you are talking out of your blow hole.
You and Jake both..
Wow! Shocked it seems I'm in a rude mood.

Talking out my blow hole about not liking the Gretsch I owned? It was a terrible guitar. My other bandmates own decent Gretches, but mine was pretty terrible I can assure you.

I just uploaded a picture of my Guild that I took a couple days ago.

It has a really deep sound, but there is still enough of the treble frequencies to work for surf. It will definitely work for blues and rockabilly. Doesn't have much twang(hate that word) but in my opinion the rockabilly tone has much more to do with how the player plays that guitar and amp. So essentially it is a good guitar for surf/blues/rockabilly. However, probably out of the price range of the creator of the thread.

Perhaps I can recommend a new Guild Starfire reissue(that doesn't have humbuckers). That would work for all styles. Although the strat is probably the best bet price-wise.

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Also, the bridge on that guitar sucks. It is likely a hi-flyer bridge, or some other really crappy Japanese guitar. I'm having trouble finding a bridge that will work for it and maintain decent action. Tune-o-matic should be the right height so I don't have to shave down a base.

zak
We all know beam blockers are the common enemy. Wink

I haven't liked most (all?) Gretsch guitars I've played recently...too acoustically dead, too thick of a finish (didn't like the feel), and way too thin on the neck profiles for my personal taste...so maybe I'd somewhat agree with you on your dislike of new Gretches.

As for the beam blockers...no dice (pun intended). I like them...and they're my friend not enemy.

JakeDobner
I just uploaded a picture of my Guild that I took a couple days ago.

Is that the new Vox AC-4 in your pic? How's that thing sound? (for Surf and Rockabilly of course so as to keep the thread on topic! Wink )

www.apollo4.com

Yeah, it is one of the new AC-4s. It is my roommate/bandmate Mike's amp. The 1/4 watt and 1 watt settings sound pretty thin. The 4 watt sounds decent. Better than all the other new class A amps being made(by the main manufacturers), but still nothing spectacular. 4 watts are pretty loud, doesn't break up enough for an apartment setting, which is a shame. It is really cool thought, definitely worth the money. He got it at cost which is bonus. Only the Super and tank in that photo are mine.

The Sabre Reverb II is Mike's as well. It was made by a company call EMI. They made Gibson amps and the design is similar to some Gibson amps. This use to be our compact organ amp. It sounds pretty decent.

The Fender Champ is Mike's as well, although I have an identical one.

That's definitely a nice Guild, Jake. Is that trem bar too low for you though? I had a mind to find a Gibson hollowbody in the distant future and just add a bigsby (instead of a Gretsch), but it looked like due to the bridge location, the arm might be hard to reach for trem-heavy tunes.

Anyone have an opinion on newer Epiphone hollowbodies, like the Casino?

Mike
http://www.youtube.com/morphballio

You mean low, as in too close to the bridge? Because the arm sits really high off the body of the guitar, which you probably can't see in the picture. But, no, it isn't too low for me. I can hold it in my pinky while I play. Obviously, if I want to strum a little further up the neck like I do when I play rhythm most of the time I can't hold it in my hand, but it is no problem to quickly get to it and then get back.

A bigsby B-6 would be better suited for this guitar. They have a longer frame so they would be in a better location. I didn't put that bigsby on the guitar.

The new Casinos are pretty good guitars. We use to use one for lead in the 'Verb. We added on a bigsby as well. The wood on the Casino is pretty good, but you'd want to change the electronics. Although it still isn't bad if you don't change them. I've never played one I never liked, and I am quite picky when it comes to set-neck thinlines. Epiphone Dot for example, terrible guitar. I think they changed how they are made though compared to an early one I played. Not big on the non-US or Japan made Epiphone Sheraton, although the vintage and US made ones are very fine instruments.

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Last edited: Sep 24, 2009 00:03:08

zak
That depends entirely on the neck angle, if it is too shallow or too steep, the break angle of the strings over the bridge to the Bigsby may be too severe or insufficient...too much break angle will cause tuning problems, not enough will cause your bridge to move around from lack of string tension. Don't just slap something on there without at least trying to eyeball the resulting changes in break angle over the bridge!.

Good call, I forgot to mention that a B-6 wouldn't work on the Guild. I haven't tried it but I am certain there wouldn't be enough angle. My roommate says otherwise, but I disagree.

Yes, I meant "low" as in distance from the bridge, not the height. My natural style seems to be playing between the neck and bridge, out of reach of where your arm currently is... which is really the main reason I was looking at gretsches to begin with. (Otherwise, I'd probably prefer something like a ES-137, but it would suffer the same issue.)

Mike
http://www.youtube.com/morphballio

Gibson ES models usually don't have as drastic as arch so it could be okay with a B-6 which would have the arm reach to where you wanted it.

ZAKPlease accept my profoundest apologies for not liking the same guitar as you. I'll try to make sure that my tastes align themselves completely to your own in the near future

Sounds good to me Wink

Nice Guild.

I believe I have found an Amp that ticks almost every box. A Laney LC15-110. It'll cost me $679 AU which isn't bad, The sound demo on the Laney UK website is pretty good too. For an all Valve amp it's certainly looking good on paper. It's got an Accutronics Reverb tank what ever the fanny that is.

Any opinions gents?

Gav

I've got one of those. Really nice amp but not for Surf as it's tone is firmly in the Marshall camp rather than the Fender. Not great for rockabilly either but very nice for blues. The clean sound disappears very quickly as the volume goes up. It sounds a lot better through an external speaker cab because on it's own it does suffer from small-box syndrome. No more so than any other small amp with a 10" speaker though.

http://www.myspace.com/thepashuns

Youth and enthusiasm are no match for age and treachery.

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While I don't deny that such amps may be 'more interesting' than modern amplifiers I'd say they were a bad idea if you are not technically proficient at fixing them. 40-50 year old valve amps are not going to be incredibly reliable and you'll be looking at some hefty bills if you can't keep them going yourself.

In my opinion you would be better off buying a Peavey Valveking 50. Sounds great, sounds Fendery, doesn't cost much and has a 12" speaker with a JBL style voicing as opposed to the rather upper-middly 10" in the Laney.

http://www.myspace.com/thepashuns

Youth and enthusiasm are no match for age and treachery.

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Last edited: Sep 24, 2009 00:09:46

zak
Unless you need a whole lot of power, look for a mid 60s Ampeg Gemini II (they are plentiful) or a Harmony 415 with the two 12" Jensens, that's a whole lot more amp within the same kind of budget.

I'm sure what you're saying is true for someone who lives in the U.S. or Canada, but Gavin lives in Australia, as do I, and in almost 30 years of looking in music shops here I don't ever recall seeing the aformentioned amps.

Australia is a much smaller market to export to, so those amps may not ever have been sold over here in the first place. If they ever were, they are certainly not plentiful now.

We have local vintage equivalents (there were are surprising number of Aussie tube amp makers in the 60s and 70s) however prices of those are already starting to get ridiculous as people are becoming more aware of them and how good they are.

So unless Gavin wants to take a chance on ebay to get a Harmony or Ampeg Gemini II from the U.S. he'd be looking at something he could buy new I would imagine.

http://www.reverbnation.com/spaceparty4

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