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zak Joined: Sep 24, 2007 Posts: 2728	Posted on Dec 26 2008 01:18 PM This post has been removed by the author. Last edited: Sep 23, 2009 21:15:57 Top
eltwang Joined: Feb 26, 2008 Posts: 545 Copenhagen, Denmark	Posted on Dec 26 2008 01:22 PM Best tube tremolo in an amp I've heard so far is the circuit in the Fender Custom Vibrolux Reverb. It's has a fat 'organic' tremolo sound, that I really like. — El Bluesky El Ray El Ray on Bandcamp El Twang on YouTube Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Dec 26 2008 01:27 PM Zak, do the amps that use bias vary that you listed also use bias vary in their blackface incarnations? Top
zak Joined: Sep 24, 2007 Posts: 2728	Posted on Dec 26 2008 01:33 PM This post has been removed by the author. Last edited: Sep 23, 2009 21:18:14 Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Dec 26 2008 01:43 PM That's what I thought. All of a sudden in 1964 we lose harmonic and bias vary to optoisolator trem... And the Beatles had their first number one hit in America, and Gustavo Ordaz became president of Mexico. How do you look back upon 1964 with anything less than disdain Zak? Top
zak Joined: Sep 24, 2007 Posts: 2728	Posted on Dec 26 2008 03:13 PM This post has been removed by the author. Last edited: Sep 23, 2009 21:18:26 Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Dec 26 2008 03:19 PM Abdul Razzaq was born in 1964. Otherwise known as Guantanamo detainee 923. These are his crimes: a. The detainee is a member of the Taliban. `1. The detainee worked for the Taliban as a cook for five months prior to his capture. 2. The detainee also worked directly for a Taliban member. 3. The detainee received hand-on military training when he fought on the front lines against the Soviets during an earlier jihad. 4. Upon his capture the detainee possessed a list of 24 recruits for a Taliban military unit.` Do you really think 1964 was so great now? This man is an obvious criminal. I now have serious doubts about Son House's loyalty to America. Was he cooking for the Taliban? Top
badash Joined: Aug 18, 2006 Posts: 1732	Posted on Dec 26 2008 03:30 PM JakeDobner Abdul Razzaq was born in 1964. Otherwise known as Guantanamo detainee 923. Do you really think 1964 was so great now? This man is an obvious criminal. I now have serious doubts about Son House's loyalty to America. Was he cooking for the Taliban? Ho Chi Minh sent troops into Laos in '64. Rumor has it he was a great chef. French trained... Clearly one cannot trust any cooks! Top
WR Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 3832 netherlands	Posted on Dec 26 2008 03:33 PM can we keep this on-topic pretty please with sugar on top thank you very much? Dario, I dont have reverb or tremolo and I dont miss it, but Ive been seeing a lot of surf bands lately with excellent reverb sound from a stock SF twin. for me reverb would be very important in a combo (which I would buy for easy transport considerations) and not so in a top. this is all from a surf perspective, though, dont know fo other kinds of music. I would love to see a very small and simple blonde top, one channel, one input (no. 1 of course) 2x6L6. just volume treble bass. as small as possible. a normal channel only bandmaster or bassman, so to say, preferably about the size of a reverbtank. no reverb no trem no nothing. actually, some of the kitbuilders should do a kit for these. — Rules to live by #314: "When in Italy, if the menu says something's grilled, don't assume it is." https://www.facebook.com/The-Malbehavers-286429584796173/ Top
eddiekatcher Joined: Mar 14, 2006 Posts: 2779 Atlanta, GA	Posted on Dec 26 2008 04:45 PM The late brownface amps have 6 preamp tubes. The circuit actually uses only 5 1/2 tubes as 1/2 of one isn't utilized. These 12AX7, AT7 and AU7 tubes are actually two tubes built in the same glass envelope but share a common heater (filament). ed — Traditional........speak softly and play through a big blonde amp. Did I mention that I still like big blonde amps? Top
Bong-O Joined: Mar 04, 2006 Posts: 139 Massachusetts, birthplace of Dick Dale	Posted on Dec 26 2008 10:45 PM I would love both in a nice portable combo. Especially if you could put together a 60 to 85 wt with 15" ceramic speaker, built in 3 knob reverb unit, one trem channel, ala Princeton on steroids (using brownface trem) with blond tolex and wheat grill cloth. That would be nice! Top
Mel Joined: Feb 25, 2008 Posts: 321 Canada's Wet Coast	Posted on Dec 27 2008 02:11 AM I guess for my tastes, a strong clean sound would do it for me. I almost got a Bassman because of that, but opted for a Traynor YCV80Q because it had a wider tonal range (and more volume). I use a Voodoo Labs Tremolo, Line 6 Echo Park, Line 6 VerbZilla. I have a 63 RI Fender reverb tank but it sits in my closet. I just can't get used to the sound of it. — Mel Top
D22 Joined: Apr 20, 2006 Posts: 2056	Posted on Dec 27 2008 08:30 AM zak JakeDobner Zak, do the amps that use bias vary that you listed also use bias vary in their blackface incarnations? No, absolutely not. The bias vary tremolo was exclusive to the brownface amps. Fender deemed it to expensive and time-consuming to produce, getting rid of it brought the component count down significantly. Take a look at the Fender Amp Field Guide and notice how many preamp tubes those amps had! word. — Top
BDR Joined: Nov 28, 2007 Posts: 12 Ohio	Posted on Dec 27 2008 09:33 AM I have not messed much with ny trem other than the bar on the guitar, I think I will try the outboard type eventually,but for now I use the onboard reverb and a outboard unit combined. Top
Kman1 Joined: Aug 29, 2008 Posts: 694 Surf City	Posted on Dec 27 2008 02:40 PM I guess those pre-amp tubes raise the cost of amps, eh Dario? — Sonichris I also like to think that all early 60's fender equipment is happy to be playing surf music again. After all, its the music it was meant to play. Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Dec 27 2008 02:47 PM Mel I guess for my tastes, a strong clean sound would do it for me. I almost got a Bassman because of that, but opted for a Traynor YCV80Q because it had a wider tonal range (and more volume). Bassmans aren't really clean. I find they break up nicely at the tolerable volume levels. I have not messed much with ny trem other than the bar on the guitar, I think I will try the outboard type eventually,but for now I use the onboard reverb and a outboard unit combined. The bar on your guitar is vibrato. Vibrato changes pitch, tremolo changes volume. I guess those pre-amp tubes raise the cost of amps, eh Dario? It would be my guess that it isn't as much the tubes as it is wiring in several new circuits into the amp. That much more that could go wrong and that you have to get right. Top
Ruhar Joined: Jun 21, 2007 Posts: 3909 San Diego, CA	Posted on Dec 27 2008 02:54 PM I would use the tremelo on my amp if it worked. I need it fixed, but just haven't gotten around to getting it done. I've used the Boss Tremelo pedal for a bit, but it was awful IMHO. Barely affected the tone. I could care less if an amp comes with reverb because I prefer the sound of the tank. Even if I wasn't playing instro/surf, I prefer the reverb from the tank. — Ryan The Secret Samurai Website The Secret Samurai on Facebook Top
Mel Joined: Feb 25, 2008 Posts: 321 Canada's Wet Coast	Posted on Dec 27 2008 04:30 PM Mel I guess for my tastes, a strong clean sound would do it for me. I almost got a Bassman because of that, but opted for a Traynor YCV80Q because it had a wider tonal range (and more volume). JakeDobner Bassmans aren't really clean. I find they break up nicely at the tolerable volume levels. I found that the Bassman didn't break up nearly as bad as my short lived Fender FrontMan 100 and I don't tend to play loud enough to actually break up the amp any way. From all the amps I tried the week I spent looking, apart from the Traynor, the Bassman had the cleanest sound for low to mid-volumes. Had I not found the Traynor, I'd have came home with the Bassman in a heartbeat. I'd probably own some sort of Fender amp if they had DI's on them. Makes it easier for recording I find. I bought my son a Fender GDEC 30 for Christmas and was surprised at how good it sounded. It's even got a 'Surfs Up" patch that's not too bad. — Mel Top
Kman1 Joined: Aug 29, 2008 Posts: 694 Surf City	Posted on Dec 27 2008 08:49 PM Jake, today I tried the TR-2 by Boss, it wasn't any better than my Blackface tremolo. I have yet to find a Guyatone that I can try. — Sonichris I also like to think that all early 60's fender equipment is happy to be playing surf music again. After all, its the music it was meant to play. Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Dec 27 2008 08:56 PM You technically don't have a blackface amp. You have a blackface reissue. Sorry, but not really the same thing. And make sure it is the Guyatone FLIP series VTX. Big orange thing with a tube in it. Top

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