Jaguar Tremolo Arm Mod

NSF

Joined: May 23, 2009
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Winnipeg, Canada

Posted on May 30 2009 09:03 AM

Cool tip, (the bend) have to try that.

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killbabykill34

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Jacksonville, AL
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Posted on May 02 2012 09:30 AM

scenenada wrote:

...are we talking about just keeping the arm from swinging? Before you bend try teflon thread tape....works great and lasts a long time. Bending...ouch!

I started utilizing the teflon thread tape to keep the retainer ring on my switch from vibrating off, as well as the retainer bolt on my input jack. It works perfectly.

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tubeswell

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Posted on May 05 2012 03:55 PM

So has someone got a pic they can post of how much to bend the end of the arm?

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Brian

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Posted on May 05 2012 04:19 PM

tubeswell wrote:

So has someone got a pic they can post of how much to bend the end of the arm?

No pictures but see this post and Danny's right under it:
http://surfguitar101.com/forums/post/235443/

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Ruhar

Joined: Jun 21, 2007
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San Diego, CA
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Posted on May 06 2012 09:31 AM

You really need just the slightest bend. I just bent mine with a pair of vice grips. I didn't even think that it bent at all, but it was absolutely perfect. If you bend it too much, it may not fit in the collet correctly.

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Fady

Joined: Mar 07, 2010
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North Carolina
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Posted on May 06 2012 09:55 AM

...not to over analyze, but I'm curious to know if the objective is to get the ever so slight bend in the arm at point A, B, or C in the picture below? (the "roughly inch deep hole" in a 2x4 , would suggest the bend would be an inch up from the short end... sorta near "A" somewhere.)

And do you try to bend it to curve in the exaggerated shape to look like the short side of the arm curves toward the tip or away from it?

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Ruhar

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Posted on May 06 2012 10:07 AM

I bent mine at point C in your diagram. And honestly, no thought went into what direction I made the bend.

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Ariel

Joined: Aug 29, 2009
Posts: 1556
Israel
Israel

Posted on May 06 2012 12:05 PM

I bent mine in the center, so I guess it's around B. Like Ruhar said, it takes very little. Curved away from the tip, to allow to raise the arm a bit, but it's negligible. It's perfect now, stays in place with just enough friction.

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Noel

Joined: Mar 15, 2011
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Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
United States

Posted on Jun 05 2012 09:41 AM

Questions about the Katcher Bend in the tremolo arm.

I have two offsets. My JM came with the bend (up near B in illustration) and came with its second collet, which is now loose and only grips the arm when it's pointed down, not up.

My Jag has a nice tight collet, and until the replacement arm arrives I either use the JM's arm or go without. It holds the arm securely, but I hesitate to keep using the bent arm in it if that will loosen the collet so it won't hold the straight arm when it arrives.

So the question is, does bending the arm cause the collet to loosen or does this happen over time anyway?

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Ariel

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Posted on Jun 05 2012 11:40 AM

Noel wrote:

So the question is, does bending the arm cause the collet to loosen or does this happen over time anyway?

From my very limited experience:
After more than a year that I bent the arm the way described above, I have taken a look at the collet and it seems to be as tight as new.
This seems reasonable, since the peak of the bend (the actual pressure point) inside the collet is higher than the teeth, so they receive just very little more pressure than with an original arm, due to the slight angle change. To sum: no harm done.

Last edited: Jun 05, 2012 11:42:04

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Noel

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Posted on Jun 05 2012 12:19 PM

DreadInBabylon wrote:

Noel wrote:

So the question is, does bending the arm cause the collet to loosen or does this happen over time anyway?

From my very limited experience:
After more than a year that I bent the arm the way described above, I have taken a look at the collet and it seems to be as tight as new.
This seems reasonable, since the peak of the bend (the actual pressure point) inside the collet is higher than the teeth, so they receive just very little more pressure than with an original arm, due to the slight angle change. To sum: no harm done.

Thanks. I wouldn't want to have caused a problem and have to bend the new one too.

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NSF Joined: May 23, 2009 Posts: 9 Winnipeg, Canada	Posted on May 30 2009 09:03 AM Cool tip, (the bend) have to try that. — http://www.myspace.com/theyakuzacowboys Top
killbabykill34 Joined: Apr 03, 2010 Posts: 3201 Jacksonville, AL	Posted on May 02 2012 09:30 AM scenenada wrote: ...are we talking about just keeping the arm from swinging? Before you bend try teflon thread tape....works great and lasts a long time. Bending...ouch! I started utilizing the teflon thread tape to keep the retainer ring on my switch from vibrating off, as well as the retainer bolt on my input jack. It works perfectly. — THE KBK ... This is the last known signal. We offer Sanctuary. www.thekbk.com http://www.deepeddy.net/artists/thekbk/ www.reverbnation.com/thekbk www.facebook.com/thekbkal Top
tubeswell Joined: Sep 24, 2011 Posts: 1424 Wellington, NZ	Posted on May 05 2012 03:55 PM So has someone got a pic they can post of how much to bend the end of the arm? — He who dies with the most tubes... wins Surf Daddies Top
Brian Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19345 Des Moines, Iowa, USA	Posted on May 05 2012 04:19 PM tubeswell wrote: So has someone got a pic they can post of how much to bend the end of the arm? No pictures but see this post and Danny's right under it: http://surfguitar101.com/forums/post/235443/ — Site dude - S3 Agent #202 Need help with the site? SG101 FAQ - Send me a private message - Email me "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea Top
Ruhar Joined: Jun 21, 2007 Posts: 3909 San Diego, CA	Posted on May 06 2012 09:31 AM You really need just the slightest bend. I just bent mine with a pair of vice grips. I didn't even think that it bent at all, but it was absolutely perfect. If you bend it too much, it may not fit in the collet correctly. — Ryan The Secret Samurai Website The Secret Samurai on Facebook Top
Fady Joined: Mar 07, 2010 Posts: 2274 North Carolina	Posted on May 06 2012 09:55 AM ...not to over analyze, but I'm curious to know if the objective is to get the ever so slight bend in the arm at point A, B, or C in the picture below? (the "roughly inch deep hole" in a 2x4 , would suggest the bend would be an inch up from the short end... sorta near "A" somewhere.) And do you try to bend it to curve in the exaggerated shape to look like the short side of the arm curves toward the tip or away from it? image — Fady El Mirage @ ReverbNation Top
Ruhar Joined: Jun 21, 2007 Posts: 3909 San Diego, CA	Posted on May 06 2012 10:07 AM I bent mine at point C in your diagram. And honestly, no thought went into what direction I made the bend. — Ryan The Secret Samurai Website The Secret Samurai on Facebook Last edited: May 06, 2012 10:09:10 Top
Ariel Joined: Aug 29, 2009 Posts: 1556 Israel	Posted on May 06 2012 12:05 PM I bent mine in the center, so I guess it's around B. Like Ruhar said, it takes very little. Curved away from the tip, to allow to raise the arm a bit, but it's negligible. It's perfect now, stays in place with just enough friction. Top
Noel Joined: Mar 15, 2011 Posts: 8528 Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.	Posted on Jun 05 2012 09:41 AM Questions about the Katcher Bend in the tremolo arm. I have two offsets. My JM came with the bend (up near B in illustration) and came with its second collet, which is now loose and only grips the arm when it's pointed down, not up. My Jag has a nice tight collet, and until the replacement arm arrives I either use the JM's arm or go without. It holds the arm securely, but I hesitate to keep using the bent arm in it if that will loosen the collet so it won't hold the straight arm when it arrives. So the question is, does bending the arm cause the collet to loosen or does this happen over time anyway? — This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. Top
Ariel Joined: Aug 29, 2009 Posts: 1556 Israel	Posted on Jun 05 2012 11:40 AM Noel wrote: So the question is, does bending the arm cause the collet to loosen or does this happen over time anyway? From my very limited experience: After more than a year that I bent the arm the way described above, I have taken a look at the collet and it seems to be as tight as new. This seems reasonable, since the peak of the bend (the actual pressure point) inside the collet is higher than the teeth, so they receive just very little more pressure than with an original arm, due to the slight angle change. To sum: no harm done. Last edited: Jun 05, 2012 11:42:04 Top
Noel Joined: Mar 15, 2011 Posts: 8528 Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.	Posted on Jun 05 2012 12:19 PM DreadInBabylon wrote: Noel wrote: So the question is, does bending the arm cause the collet to loosen or does this happen over time anyway? From my very limited experience: After more than a year that I bent the arm the way described above, I have taken a look at the collet and it seems to be as tight as new. This seems reasonable, since the peak of the bend (the actual pressure point) inside the collet is higher than the teeth, so they receive just very little more pressure than with an original arm, due to the slight angle change. To sum: no harm done. Thanks. I wouldn't want to have caused a problem and have to bend the new one too. — This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. Top

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