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I didn't know the Pinto and Yugo were the best selling and most copied cars. Your logic is showing Johnny.

Storm,
See what you learn hanging around me?
JM

Last edited: Nov 04, 2020 12:54:09

Might loosen a few of you up -

A Stratocaster and a Mosrite player on a cruise ship are shipwrecked on a desert island with a jungle inhabited by a tribe of cannibals. The cannibals prepare two huge pots of water over an open fire and prepare to boil the Strat-er and the Mos-er before eating them for dinner.

The cannibal chief offers each player a last wish before being tossed into the pot and turns to The Strat player first.
The Strat-er says, "Can you bring me my guitar tools so I can set up my Strat and play 'Pipeline' just one last time?"

The Mos-er quickly interrupts and says, "Oh brother! Hey could you guys just eat me first?"

J Mo'

256 adjustments later, Lifetime of bliss!
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One nice thing that must be said about the Stratocaster is that it offers a very low string height as compared to other popular guitars.

I find that having the bridge raised minimally off the deck of the guitar makes surf music picking much easier to do than the raised bridge of a Les Paul or Jazzmaster, for instance. Or even, I dare say, a Mosrite.

Admittedly, I learned on a (fake) Strat so this is an opinion biased by that but I know I'm not alone. My friend an I were talking about it recently while trying to decide whether my Les Paul Studio gets to stay or is going away.

I had a 79 Pinto. I found it to be dependable and easy to maintain, just like a Strat.

stratdancer wrote:

256 adjustments later, Lifetime of bliss!
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Do they all sound and play different from each other?

Surf_Skater wrote:

I had a 79 Pinto. I found it to be dependable and easy to maintain, just like a Strat.

My first car was a '74 Pinto station wagon...a fake woody. I kept a cement block in the back. During the northeast blizzard of '78, I passed dozens of cars that were stuck in the middle of the highway. My Pinto kept on chugging along and I made it all the way home.

I recall the Pinto's main issue was that on rear impact it could burst into flames. Can anyone who has dropped their Stratocaster confirm a similar defect?

My brother is still haunted by the memory of selling in his Chevelle SS for a Pinto in the late '70s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U5dvC5qr6Y

Last edited: Nov 04, 2020 20:45:22

taijiguy wrote:

Do they all sound and play different from each other?

The 4 on the right are all set up for surf with blender's and variations in pickups.

The four on the left are set up with 10's and various pickups for non-surf. Hotter pickups to play through the high gain amps. Humbucks are coil tapped.

The Kahuna Kings

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https://thekahunakings.bandcamp.com/releases

I've owned a strat for 22 years. It's never had a professional setup in its life. I adjusted the intonation twice, the truss rod once. Never needed a neck shim. I've wanted to hate strats, but it has never let me down (or broken a string. ever.) now considering building a second one.

Every jazzmaster, jaguar, bass vi, mustang i've had has taken hours upon hours of adjustment and work to play well. My kurokumo mosrite NEVER returned to pitch using vibrato despite polished zero fret and nut slots and countless hours tweaking. I love all these guitars dearly, but the strat is just always "easy".

My 60s Mosrite was just dandy. it and my strat were my gig guitars in every band.

Last edited: Nov 08, 2020 12:31:54

Hey you guys...Fender does make a special Thin Skin Strat that some of you might want to try Big Grin

Last edited: Nov 08, 2020 16:26:49

I know this post is not going to find much purchase because there is a dominant vein of traditionalism with the surf crowd (I like vintage too), but as I love this guitar model and the topic is fixes on the time-honored Stratocaster...

IMO, nothing has done such a comprehensive job as the Ibanez JS (Joe Satriani) Series. While many harbor animosity toward Ibanez and think every guitar they make are gaudy (many/most are), in most aspects the JS Series is closer to a traditional Strat than those 80’s guitars, especially the Steve Vai models which many transpose with Satriani. Some of the limited edition models are a bit out there but the production JS’s are all solid color with a nice palette from which to choose.

NECK:
The neck is a digital reproduction of a vintage Strat with a flat headstock like a Fender, not the angled butt rock style. It is not the much-hated thin flat Wizard necks with jumbo frets many associate with Ibanez. Improvements include a multi-radius fretboard, vintage 6105 stainless steel frets and genuine abalone dots that are slightly smaller than Fender dots. Something I like is JS’s almost always come with very dark light/no grain rosewood fretboards.

BODY:
The Strat body is pretty good as is. While Fender seems to have started with a Tele body and then added a top horn and a forearm and waist cutaways the Satriani body is completely rounded without a single straight edge anywhere (except for the traditional square neck pocket, again, not the AANJ Ibanez is known for). Instead of the cutaways, the top of the body is aero foiled on the front and back. Ironically, while it looks like a Strat shape from the from this aero foiling makes the body weight notably offset and extremely comfortable to play for hours on end.

FABULOUSLY ELIGANT CONTROL LAYOUT
Perhaps my biggest aesthetic pet peeve with the Strat is the front of the body is so freakin busy. At the polar opposite the JS has a clean presentation. In addition, both pots are push/pull. The tone pot splits the coils and the volume pot puts a high pass filter in circuit. You can get spankin’ single coil tones out of this guitar.

Tremolo:
While I would not advocate a Floyd Rose as a first choice for surf, the Ibanez Edge is widely regarded as the best licensed FR tremolo. The design of the push in arm eliminates the give that the Strat screw in design suffers from. It is silky smooth with surfy warble easily attainable and the guitar will stay in tune forever. If you do not have a light touch you can add springs to increase tension.

OVERALL QUALITY
The Ibanez Prestige-level instruments are exceptionally well-made and consistent. From the fret treatment to component quality everything is deluxe. The guitar has fantastic tone, even unplugged. Going back and forth with this and a Strat the Strat will feel noticeably clunky. The only thing objectively better about a traditional Strat is the ease of intonating the saddles.

SURFY BONUSES:
- The title of Satriani’s signature album is ‘Surfing With the Alien’
- While I do not know how to verify this, I would bet ‘Surfing With the
Alien’ is the best selling instrumental album with a surf board on the
cover

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Makai

Last edited: Nov 09, 2020 18:48:23

I owned two satriani Ibanez guitars when my strat couldn't quite do what my big space rock band needed. I LOVED my satriani models, and actually started my first Surf Rock band with a satriani, a marshall plexi, and my fender reverb unit. I also liked my wizard neck RG, but the satch guitars covered a lot of ground.

Last edited: Nov 09, 2020 21:13:53

cosmonaut wrote:

I owned two satriani Ibanez guitars when my strat couldn't quite do what my big space rock band needed. I LOVED my satriani models, and actually started my first Surf Rock band with a satriani, a marshall plexi, and my fender reverb unit. I also liked my wizard neck RG, but the satch guitars covered a lot of ground.

Love to hear it! I talk up JS’s when opportunity presents and have been pleasantly surprised with responses. They really are something special.

Makai

Interesting thread and created some diversion during lockdown. I have bought and sold many guitars since the early 80s, and the only one I still have for the entire time I played guitar is my Strat, though it has had numerous modifications over the years. Having said that, I now own a Les Paul, an Epiphone Sheraton (335 clone), a Gretsch and PRS baritones, a Jaguar, a Jazzmaster, and even a Jackson, heavy metal type guitar that I have not touched in years.

I think a good guitarist could make their music of any style on pretty much any guitar, but I think it comes down to what inspires them.

I can play BB King blues licks on any of them, but the Sheraton inspires me when playing that genre. The Strat inspires me when playing SRV licks. Lately the Jaguar and Jazzmaster inspire me for surf, depending on what tone I am going for. It could be the looks, the slight change of tone, or just be completely psychological.

Screw design or ergonomics, I play better, more often and for a longer time when I'm inspired. Don't worry about whatever I or anybody else plays- play what inspires you.

Last edited: Nov 12, 2020 10:25:14

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