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Nothing to do with surf, just one of the all time greats of popular music, period. I loved everything he did, from the majestic pop ballads and chansons of the 1960s to the way out experimental albums from the 1980s onward. A massive loss, a sad day.

"The only thing we have to fear is gear itself."

Not entirely non-surf/instro related. He was in the Routers at one point.

Paul
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Killers from Space

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And that! ^^

Paul
Atomic Mosquitos
Bug music for bug people is here!
Killers from Space

Skeeter and Redfeather: Thanks for uploading these tracks. I didn’t know there was a surf/instro side to the stuff he recorded when he was very young. I like “Devil Surfer”: that’s definitely going on the “to learn” list.

"The only thing we have to fear is gear itself."

But wait, there's more. Walker also recorded with The Moongooners (Candix, Donna, and Essar label) and The Newporters (Scotchtown label). Here's a Moongooners' side:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxgpOm7PEx8

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According to Wikipedia also toured with The Surfaris.

I used to like the Walker Brothers as a youngster.

I had no idea he was involved in surf music.

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Amazing range....Sun Aint Going To Shine Anymore...to...Let's Go.
I liked the Walker Brothers but they seemed to be a copy of the Rightious Brothers.

Happy Sunsets!

tahitijack wrote:

Amazing range....Sun Aint Going To Shine Anymore...to...Let's Go.
I liked the Walker Brothers but they seemed to be a copy of the Rightious Brothers.

Phil Spector produced the early Righteous Brothers hits. "The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore" arrangement sounds similar to the Spector "Wall of Sound".

tahitijack wrote:

Amazing range....Sun Aint Going To Shine Anymore...to...Let's Go.
I liked the Walker Brothers but they seemed to be a copy of the Rightious Brothers.

Nothing against the Righteous Brothers music but in my young eyes they were on the square side. The Walker Brothers while hardly rebellious were a part of the liberation factor happening in Great Britain during the 1960s. Style and clothing said it all. They were way cooler IMHO.

John wrote:

But wait, there's more. Walker also recorded with The Moongooners (Candix, Donna, and Essar label) and The Newporters (Scotchtown label). Here's a Moongooners' side:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxgpOm7PEx8

Maybe somebody here knows about this one 45 I have. It’s called Cindy and the writer credits say Scotengel (or similar). I always thought that’s a typo and it’s in fact another early Scott Walker instrumental. Am I right?

The Exotic Guitar of Kahuna Kawentzmann

You can get the boy out of the Keynes era, but you can’t get the Keynes era out of the boy.

Well, you gave us the title and writer credit, but not the artist or label.

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John wrote:

Well, you gave us the title and writer credit, but not the artist or label.

Sorry, currently my 45s are in boxes, but the artist is Eddie Kay. I don’t remember the label. Bethlehem

Here’s a label scan.

This is the black/production run, mine is white, probably promo.

The Exotic Guitar of Kahuna Kawentzmann

You can get the boy out of the Keynes era, but you can’t get the Keynes era out of the boy.

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Always helps to have that information. Writer credits: "Scottengel" is, indeed, Scott Engel (typical label typo). "Stewart" was most likely Phil Stewart, who was 1/2 of The Rip Chords. Eddy Kay was a real person (not a pseudonym for Engel). He was a TOURING member of the Routers (he didn't play on the records). While not really the recording band, there's a photo of them on the back of the "Let's Go" LP. I believe Kay is the guitarist standing to the right of the sax player in that photo. Typical Saraceno and Mike Gordon slight-of-hand.

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Thanks John! There are several rhythm guitar parts, but I guess we will never know who played them.

The Exotic Guitar of Kahuna Kawentzmann

You can get the boy out of the Keynes era, but you can’t get the Keynes era out of the boy.

crumble wrote:

Nothing against the Righteous Brothers music but in my young eyes they were on the square side. The Walker Brothers while hardly rebellious were a part of the liberation factor happening in Great Britain during the 1960s. Style and clothing said it all. They were way cooler IMHO.

I agree 100% with this. Even though the Walker Brothers were clearly cast very much in the Phil Spector Wall of Sound/Righteous Brothers mould early on, what they did (largely due to Scott Walker and his producer, Johnny Franz) far outstripped anything achieved by the Righteous Brothers - both in terms of hit records and the quality and range of material they recorded.

Attached is a conversation between Jarvis Cocker and Scott Walker that was broadcast by BBC Radio in 2017, shortly before the Scott Walker Prom that was staged that year at the Royal Albert Hall in London. This featured various singers (including Cocker himself), backed by a full orchestra, performing songs from Scott's solo records from 1967-70. In the interview, Scott talks about his entire career, including his early days on the road as bass player with touring versions of The Surfaris and The Routers.

What comes across for me in this - and in fact in every Scott Walker interview I've ever heard or read - is just what a genuinely intelligent and unassuming man he was. Even though a lot of his later work was extremely challenging, he never came across as pretentious or self-consciously arty when he talked about it. In this interview, he has a very sympathetic and well-informed interviewer in Jarvis Cocker, but I've seen a couple of TV interviews from the 1980s where the interviewers clearly didn't have a clue who he was or know anything about his music. Still, he answered their inane questions with unbelievable graciousness and charm.

Scott Walker lost many years to alcohol abuse and depression ("sheer self-loathing" as he put it), but that didn't prevent him from remaining a top man and a top artist.

"The only thing we have to fear is gear itself."

Delrin96mm. What a splendid musician he was. I remember seeing a short TV documentary featuring his Avant Garde work some time in the 1980s (I think) I remember feeling quite shocked, intrigued and pleasantly surprised he was looking good and still on the planet! Thanks for video I enjoyed it.

crumble wrote:

Delrin96mm. What a splendid musician he was. I remember seeing a short TV documentary featuring his Avant Garde work some time in the 1980s (I think) I remember feeling quite shocked, intrigued and pleasantly surprised he was looking good and still on the planet! Thanks for video I enjoyed it.

Could the short documentary you're referring to maybe have been the first video attached, which is from 1995? I remember watching it on TV when it was first broadcast and thinking: "My God, he's come a long way from 'Make It Easy On Yourself' etc." But like you, I was intrigued rather than put off by the radical new direction Scott had taken.

I've also attached "30 Century Man", the full-length Scott Walker documentary from 2006, which is also up on YouTube at the moment.

"The only thing we have to fear is gear itself."

Delrin96mm wrote:

Could the short documentary you're referring to maybe have been the first video attached, which is from 1995?

I'm afraid my memory is foggy at best. It might have been a segment on an arts and culture programme, I remember one such tv show that truly embraced post punk lifestyle in a kind modern intellectual way. Normally these sort of programmes were a huge yawn but this one really had it's finger on the pulse (total brain fade as to it's title) The snapshot I have in my mind is in black and white, there is an animated pattern and wildly disjointed music. They were very much highlighting his new album.

Crumble: Your description above doesn't ring any bells, I'm afraid. Anyway, in the wake of his death, I'm listening to a lot of SW at the moment and allowing myself to be amazed once again by the mind-boggling audacity of it all. I was listening to "Scott II" last night while noodling about on my guitar and started trying to play along with the vocal melodies. I ended up with quite passable instrumental versions of "The Amorous Humphrey Plugg", "Plastic Palace People" and "The Bridge". Believe me, playing along with THAT voice is both incredibly relaxing and exciting at the same time. The songs have some lovely chord progressions as well. The only trouble is, it makes me wish I had a baritone guitar - damn it, more gear!

"The only thing we have to fear is gear itself."

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