What do you think is the hardest Surf Instrumental to play or perform?

Stormtiger

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Posted on Jan 21 2019 12:49 PM

Slacktone - Brian's Beached Piano, still the hardest after many years even with help from Dave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6bvPxWJUK0

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Surfing_Sam_61

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Posted on Jan 21 2019 03:50 PM

Yeah Dave Wronski is amazing, I have watched few of his videos like this before (I never noticed to now the Rythmn switch is gone on that Jag) there is a blank there now, must be modified or he runs them wide open etc..I never saw this video before thanks for the link.

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Surfing_Sam_61

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Posted on Jan 21 2019 04:02 PM

He slowed this one down so you can see how its played

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Stormtiger

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Posted on Jan 21 2019 04:13 PM

I believe he said it is wired like a Telecaster with a .22 tone cap.

Surfer_Joe_1961 wrote:

Yeah Dave Wronski is amazing, I have watched few of his videos like this before (I never noticed to now the Rythmn switch is gone on that Jag) there is a blank there now, must be modified or he runs them wide open etc..I never saw this video before thanks for the link.

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Surfing_Sam_61

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Posted on Jan 21 2019 04:55 PM

Oh wow I will have to check that out

One song I like that seemed hard when I first started is Storm Surf - I love playing this one. The lesson of the guy on the bottom has made many videos like this one that helped me a lot with getting on track with Surf Techniques etc....Good pace to start with.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_LuRFHzU-ofioVSnd9KqJA

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DeathTide

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New Orleans
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Posted on Jan 21 2019 04:58 PM

Squad Car. The high multi-string part is so difficult for my fingers!

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Surfing_Sam_61

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Posted on Jan 21 2019 05:06 PM

Yeah I swear I play Storm Surf different then this training video - I play along with the CD and its Open E //// the E ///// on the A string at the 7th fret then down to D ///// at 5th fret on the A string as well (At least the record sounds like those were same notes tonality wise. I'm sure all the notes were not played on the E string like this. (Same notes different tonality etc) No biggie ...but I like the original recorded version better and more fun to play that way (its like Wipeout - all the different ways to play that one.) Then you keep the same progression on the A string

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Surfing_Sam_61

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Posted on Jan 21 2019 05:14 PM

DeathTide wrote:

Squad Car. The high multi-string part is so difficult for my fingers!

It looks like just fourths or double-stops starting on the E and B string at the 5th fret then 7th & 8th I think...that's how I play it anyway ...but I've seen three different ways to play this song in the same key ...take your pick and play it the way you want I guess.

I might have to review this one - I'm not sure If I learned The Belair's version or Eddie's later recording ?

It's easier to play A on the 5th fret for the main intro riff on the low E string and not like Bertrand played it open on the A string. I want to make video of that one some day from the players perspective to show that technique etc. The Rockabilly solo is hard too.

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Surfing_Sam_61

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Posted on Jan 21 2019 07:02 PM

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Merlin

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Posted on Jan 22 2019 10:19 AM

DeathTide wrote:

Squad Car. The high multi-string part is so difficult for my fingers!

Interesting. I don’t have trouble with that part - it’s the low trem picking passages that give me grief on that one.

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DeathTide

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Posted on Jan 22 2019 01:14 PM

Merlin wrote:

DeathTide wrote:

Squad Car. The high multi-string part is so difficult for my fingers!

Interesting. I don’t have trouble with that part - it’s the low trem picking passages that give me grief on that one.

It’s my arms and fingers. I had a horrible bout of tendinitis in 1997 (from computer use) and since then I can’t play with a bent arm, or my elbow starts hurting. So I play like Nirvana, which makes it difficult to hit certain “chordy” stuff.

But I have no problem with that tremolo part! In fact I love it, including creating alternate picking patterns. Some versions have a little “gallop” in the lead, it’s not a straight 16/4 tremolo picking.

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simoncoil

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Posted on Jan 22 2019 02:05 PM

DeathTide wrote:

Squad Car. The high multi-string part is so difficult for my fingers!

Same here. I found that tremolo picking on a single string is most effetive, when the movement of the wrist/pick is as little as possible. So I "trained" myself in this direction. However this gets in the way, when playing double stops.

But even in the rare moments where I get closer playing-wise problems start on the side of tone: double stops trem picked can get sobluch brighter than single strings...

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Stormtiger Joined: Dec 12, 2006 Posts: 2687 Ventura, CA	Posted on Jan 21 2019 12:49 PM Slacktone - Brian's Beached Piano, still the hardest after many years even with help from Dave. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6bvPxWJUK0 Top
Surfing_Sam_61 Joined: Jan 15, 2019 Posts: 1515	Posted on Jan 21 2019 03:50 PM Yeah Dave Wronski is amazing, I have watched few of his videos like this before (I never noticed to now the Rythmn switch is gone on that Jag) there is a blank there now, must be modified or he runs them wide open etc..I never saw this video before thanks for the link. Last edited: Jan 21, 2019 15:51:22 Top
Surfing_Sam_61 Joined: Jan 15, 2019 Posts: 1515	Posted on Jan 21 2019 04:02 PM He slowed this one down so you can see how its played Last edited: Jan 21, 2019 16:08:31 Top
Stormtiger Joined: Dec 12, 2006 Posts: 2687 Ventura, CA	Posted on Jan 21 2019 04:13 PM I believe he said it is wired like a Telecaster with a .22 tone cap. Surfer_Joe_1961 wrote: Yeah Dave Wronski is amazing, I have watched few of his videos like this before (I never noticed to now the Rythmn switch is gone on that Jag) there is a blank there now, must be modified or he runs them wide open etc..I never saw this video before thanks for the link. Top
Surfing_Sam_61 Joined: Jan 15, 2019 Posts: 1515	Posted on Jan 21 2019 04:55 PM Oh wow I will have to check that out One song I like that seemed hard when I first started is Storm Surf - I love playing this one. The lesson of the guy on the bottom has made many videos like this one that helped me a lot with getting on track with Surf Techniques etc....Good pace to start with. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_LuRFHzU-ofioVSnd9KqJA Top
DeathTide Joined: Apr 13, 2018 Posts: 1378 New Orleans	Posted on Jan 21 2019 04:58 PM Squad Car. The high multi-string part is so difficult for my fingers! — Daniel Deathtide Top
Surfing_Sam_61 Joined: Jan 15, 2019 Posts: 1515	Posted on Jan 21 2019 05:06 PM Yeah I swear I play Storm Surf different then this training video - I play along with the CD and its Open E //// the E ///// on the A string at the 7th fret then down to D ///// at 5th fret on the A string as well (At least the record sounds like those were same notes tonality wise. I'm sure all the notes were not played on the E string like this. (Same notes different tonality etc) No biggie ...but I like the original recorded version better and more fun to play that way (its like Wipeout - all the different ways to play that one.) Then you keep the same progression on the A string Last edited: Jan 21, 2019 17:41:42 Top
Surfing_Sam_61 Joined: Jan 15, 2019 Posts: 1515	Posted on Jan 21 2019 05:14 PM DeathTide wrote: Squad Car. The high multi-string part is so difficult for my fingers! It looks like just fourths or double-stops starting on the E and B string at the 5th fret then 7th & 8th I think...that's how I play it anyway ...but I've seen three different ways to play this song in the same key ...take your pick and play it the way you want I guess. I might have to review this one - I'm not sure If I learned The Belair's version or Eddie's later recording ? It's easier to play A on the 5th fret for the main intro riff on the low E string and not like Bertrand played it open on the A string. I want to make video of that one some day from the players perspective to show that technique etc. The Rockabilly solo is hard too. Last edited: Jan 21, 2019 19:24:25 Top
Surfing_Sam_61 Joined: Jan 15, 2019 Posts: 1515	Posted on Jan 21 2019 07:02 PM Last edited: Jan 21, 2019 20:41:26 Top
Merlin Joined: Feb 03, 2011 Posts: 111 Brampton, ON	Posted on Jan 22 2019 10:19 AM DeathTide wrote: Squad Car. The high multi-string part is so difficult for my fingers! Interesting. I don’t have trouble with that part - it’s the low trem picking passages that give me grief on that one. Top
DeathTide Joined: Apr 13, 2018 Posts: 1378 New Orleans	Posted on Jan 22 2019 01:14 PM Merlin wrote: DeathTide wrote: Squad Car. The high multi-string part is so difficult for my fingers! Interesting. I don’t have trouble with that part - it’s the low trem picking passages that give me grief on that one. It’s my arms and fingers. I had a horrible bout of tendinitis in 1997 (from computer use) and since then I can’t play with a bent arm, or my elbow starts hurting. So I play like Nirvana, which makes it difficult to hit certain “chordy” stuff. But I have no problem with that tremolo part! In fact I love it, including creating alternate picking patterns. Some versions have a little “gallop” in the lead, it’s not a straight 16/4 tremolo picking. — Daniel Deathtide Top
simoncoil Joined: Sep 28, 2012 Posts: 923 Berlin, Germany	Posted on Jan 22 2019 02:05 PM DeathTide wrote: Squad Car. The high multi-string part is so difficult for my fingers! Same here. I found that tremolo picking on a single string is most effetive, when the movement of the wrist/pick is as little as possible. So I "trained" myself in this direction. However this gets in the way, when playing double stops. But even in the rare moments where I get closer playing-wise problems start on the side of tone: double stops trem picked can get sobluch brighter than single strings... — Los Apollos - cinematic surf music trio (Berlin) "Postcards from the Scrapyard" Vol. 1, 2 & 3 NOW available on various platforms! "Chaos at the Lobster Lounge" available as LP and download on Surf Cookie Records! Top

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