martianspy
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Cape Cod
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Posted on Aug 31 2018 08:12 AM
Does your band cover Apache? I was brought up hearing the Jorgen Ingman version which was the popular version in the US. My wife actually still has on 45, but it seems most are more familiar with the Shadows or Ventures versions. I didn't realize the Shadows pre-dated Jorgen by a year until now. Anyone have any links on their band playing this cover? I'm especially interested in the bass-lines, as they are all different.
Burt Weedon (recorded 1960)
https://youtu.be/YSh9ET2xKOE
The Shadows - 1960
https://youtu.be/EzgbcyfJgfQ
Jorgen Ingman - 1961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-qXBJ64xVc
Ventures -1962
https://youtu.be/p6XIHVW2WC4
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Squid
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Portland, Oregon with Insanitizers
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Posted on Aug 31 2018 11:31 AM
When Apache was a hit what people commented on as fun--and listened for--were the whistling arrows and the slapback delays in the gallop. The Shadows' recording doesn't have these.
These differences are improvements by Jorgen (rather than omissions by The Shadows) because Jorgen's version was later. These improvements feel important.
There are other differences. The first time through the main verse Jorgen plays a counterpoint riff that the Shadows do not. This riff does not mesh with chords and bass guitar the Shadows play during this section. There is no guitar strumming or bass note in this riff section on Jorgen's recording, only percussive sounds, so meshing is not a concern. This is a basic difference in the chording corresponding to the melody guitar between the two versions.
The second time through the main verse Jorgen omits the counterpoint riff.
I've been thinking of recording my band's present version of Apache.
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Guy_Incognito
Joined: Nov 18, 2009
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Rochester, NY
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Posted on Aug 31 2018 12:11 PM
RoarShark covers Apache. It's closer to the the Ventures version (from "The Ventures play Telstar"). Hope you find some useful/interesting bass lines
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Surfersaurus
Joined: Feb 10, 2010
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Australia
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Posted on Sep 01 2018 04:35 AM
This is the first song I played in front of an audience. One thing I've observed over the years is, that mostly, no one knows how to end it (without a fade out)
Not sure if this link will work in all territories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5JLhWtISb8
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martianspy
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Cape Cod
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Posted on Sep 01 2018 09:33 PM
Both excellent versions! I can hear the Jorgen Ingman influence in the Roarshark version and the Shadows in the Surfasaurus version. It's funny how contrasting they are...one being more laid back and reverby and the other faster with more attack, but both stand on their own nicely. Thanks for sharing.
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J_Durango
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Ulverston
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Posted on Sep 03 2018 07:38 AM
Hi
Here's my band, The Spiratones, doing Apache. We're British, so we've gone for a Shadowsy version.
I'm on bass - I hope you find something useful 
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synchro
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Posted on Oct 14 2018 10:07 AM
Great topic and I enjoyed thoroughly the versions posted by RoarShark and the Spiratones, not to mention the four vintage recordings posted at the beginning of the thread. I don’t know that I had heard Burt Weedon’s version before.
My own experience with this song was mainly the Ventures version, which graced the family’s record collection and got plenty of play on the old portable Motorola. When I play it, I end up with a mix of the Ventures, Ingmann’s and the Shadows version, plus whatever comes to mind while I’m playing. Truly, all three versions have a lot to offer.
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RoyalRatWill
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Redondo Beach, CA
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Posted on Oct 17 2018 01:20 AM
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Squid
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Portland, Oregon with Insanitizers
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Posted on Nov 02 2018 02:34 PM
Ingmann's approach is the model for my recording linked to here, with arrows, bass guitar strikes on the first 3 beats of each measure, and gallops with prominent tic-tics and delay slapbacks. I changed the counterpoint riff to mesh with the chords and added a compatible ending.
The recording uses strong deep bass tom-toms and bass guitar. To hear them speakers or headphones that reproduce bass well are needed.
(Recording and post replaced 11/9/18, see new post below)
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WaimeaBay
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Posted on Nov 02 2018 11:05 PM
I always enjoyed the Bitch Boys version the most.
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Squid
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Portland, Oregon with Insanitizers
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Posted on Nov 09 2018 05:42 PM
Apache recording now revised to include double stops and more muted notes, along with the glissandos. This was in response to a message I appreciated from Synchro. I'd appreciate any comments, either posted here or emailed.
http://insanitizers.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Ingmann-Style-2018-7.mp3
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synchro
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Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.
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Posted on Nov 10 2018 08:09 AM
Squid wrote:
Apache recording now revised to include double stops and more muted notes, along with the glissandos. This was in response to a message I appreciated from Synchro. I'd appreciate any comments, either posted here or emailed.
http://insanitizers.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Ingmann-Style-2018-7.mp3
As I mentioned in my PM and wish to post here, the drive of this version is excellent. It’s got such a strong sense of movement. I could see this being used as background music in a movie scene where something important was being mobilized.
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Squid
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Portland, Oregon with Insanitizers
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Posted on Nov 11 2018 06:01 PM
Thanks, Synchro, for your thoughtful insight. The primitive drum pattern fit the song concept. The bass guitar meshes so I while listening can't separate bass guitar from drum kit.
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JeffLeites
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North Hollywood, California
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Posted on Nov 28 2018 01:06 PM
Here's my ad hoc band "Second Surf" CD (Apache is #8): http://www.jeffreyleites.com/SecondSurf.html
I guess my cover is just a mixture of what I liked, remembered, and could play 
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synchro
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Posted on Nov 28 2018 05:47 PM
JeffLeites wrote:
Here's my ad hoc band "Second Surf" CD (Apache is #8): http://www.jeffreyleites.com/SecondSurf.html
I guess my cover is just a mixture of what I liked, remembered, and could play
That was very enjoyable. You sort of covered all the bases, which I like.
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When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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Squid
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Portland, Oregon with Insanitizers
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Posted on Nov 30 2018 05:27 PM
JeffLeites wrote:
Here's my ad hoc band "Second Surf" CD (Apache is #8): http://www.jeffreyleites.com/SecondSurf.html
Sounds like high reverb and little to no delay, so it differs from the two landmark versions from Europe. The tones are pleasant and the approach is relaxing, and I enjoyed it.
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grayn
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East Lancashire
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Posted on Jan 03 2019 05:06 AM
Really enjoyed all the versions of this classic.
Have to say, that to my ears, The Shadows version is by far the best.
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Bernard
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Santa Monica
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Posted on Jan 04 2019 09:17 PM
I will forever love this song. Although Par Avion plays it from time to time, I cannot say that our bass line is terribly unique. What is fun, however, is doubling or tripling the length of the "gallop-like" part and using it as a outdo over which I improvise. This simple touch changes the song quite a bit or at least I feel that way ;)
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Squid
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Posted on Jan 05 2019 11:37 AM
Bernard wrote:
...doubling or tripling the length of the "gallop-like" part and using it as a outdo over which I improvise. ..
- B
That's a superb idea for setting up improvisation that is specifically within this genre. I must experiment with this plan.
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Surfing_Sam_61
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Posted on Jan 15 2019 01:57 PM
Yeah I like this song too ...Seems like all Shadows songs are in A minor ...I tried to play along to their Hits album and if I remember right every song but two was in A minor and only a few new songs were some other key etc . . .Every song was played on different parts of the Am scale etc but they must have dedicate their career to A minor scale. I always thought their music had a sound to it, not realizing it was all the same Key.
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