Syndicateofsurf wrote:
So what is the proper term for this style of music that is prominently featured on SG 101? Straight answer please.
Ha! Agreed.
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Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle 
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Posted on Dec 16 2015 11:24 AM
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Posted on Dec 16 2015 11:40 AM
"Surf Rock" ftw Typical first post: "Hi, I'm (fill in the blank), and I play surf rock." |
Joined: Oct 08, 2014 Posts: 1073 Northern Ohio
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Posted on Dec 16 2015 11:42 AM
websurfer wrote:
Thank you. I will now fall in this category for better or worse. BTW: Crazy Aces Eastwood Outlaw just finished playing on Surf Rock Radio. —Da Vinci Flinglestein, The Syndicate of Surf on YouTube |
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Posted on Dec 16 2015 12:06 PM
Syndicateofsurf wrote:
ugh. |
Joined: Mar 13, 2009 Posts: 2367 Twin Cities, MN
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Posted on Dec 16 2015 12:12 PM
Syndicateofsurf wrote:
Surf. As in surf is dead. I'm going over to Polkaguitar101. That's much more happening. Plus, no reverb pedal discussion there.
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Joined: Oct 08, 2014 Posts: 1073 Northern Ohio
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Posted on Dec 16 2015 12:36 PM
websurfer wrote:
Yeah, see I asked for a straight answer and you failed to give me one. I hope to never care about this question again. —Da Vinci Flinglestein, The Syndicate of Surf on YouTube |
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 10331 southern Michigan
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Posted on Dec 16 2015 01:31 PM
It seems to me that the dislike of the term 'surf rock' comes from guys that are very trad in their outlook, possibly for two reasons (if I'm allowed to speculate): 1) that's not what this music was called back in the '60s, and the trad guys take their cues from the '60s - in the '60s it was just 'surf music', not 'surf-rock'; 2) 'rock music' is a term that emerged in the late '60s and the '70s as artists and critics started taking rock'n'roll music very seriously, intellectualizing and politicizing it, robbing rock'n'roll of much of its innocence and fun, which are both obviously a big part of original surf music - so, when referring to 'surf-rock', there's an implied element of that influence of '70s/'80s 'rock music' which in many ways is completely opposed to what original surf music was all about - teenagers playing dance music for the sheer joy (and girls) of it all, getting off on loud guitars and drums and fast tempos. I think that's why so many object to the term 'surf-rock'. It joins two concepts which are really opposed to each other. As a musical child of the '70s and the '80s just as much as the '60s, I personally don't really mind the term 'surf-rock', though it does strike me as a bit awkward. Simple 'surf music' sounds better to my ear, but I don't really care. When I explained the objection to the 'surf-rock' label to my Madeira bandmates many years ago, our drummer Dane said, "well, it's surf music and it rocks, so 'surf-rock' is OK by me!" I have to say that he's got a certain point.... —Ivan Last edited: Dec 16, 2015 13:32:14 |
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Joined: Oct 08, 2014 Posts: 1073 Northern Ohio
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Posted on Dec 16 2015 01:49 PM
Finally someone I know I can trust. Thank you Ivan. And this makes perfect sense. When rock n' roll became Rock much of the innocence was lost, the corporate machine was really starting to gear up and yes, over-intellectualized bullshit was making a massive spike. I now recall my main line of music information came from CREEM magazine which proudly proclaimed on every cover 'America's only rock n roll magazine!'. They took things seriously as in the writers deeply cared about the scene and especially the music but musicians were another story. These Rock-gods were all fair game and ego-puncturing was at the top of the list. Anywho, now I know. Thank you again Ivan, you always seem to find time for these matters. I appreciate it so much. Surf on, DVF —Da Vinci Flinglestein, The Syndicate of Surf on YouTube |
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Posted on Dec 16 2015 02:00 PM
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Posted on Dec 16 2015 07:48 PM
IvanP wrote:
Dane is eloquent beyond his years. I've used the term surf-rock a few times (but always prefaced with the word 'instrumental') if the target thinks I might be talking about "music to string a hammock between 2 palm trees by." Meh. DMDC; doesn't matter, don't care. —Wes DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices. |
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Posted on Dec 17 2015 06:12 AM
Surf is a Noun. Title of my 7th album. (to be released posthumously, probably an anthology of B-sides and guitar feedback) —Da Vinci Flinglestein, The Syndicate of Surf on YouTube |
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Posted on Dec 21 2015 01:10 AM
If bands associate with "surf rock", and they have a least some reverb and a connection to the sport or lifestyle then that's what it is. If people ask me what style of music I play I say "surf" or occasionally "spaghetti" or "instro" if the person knows what I'm talking about. But if it comes down to categorising and tagging bands for the purposes of selling music - then surf rock is very helpful, particularly with bands who are in some way progressive or incorporate vocals. And it's selling so I'll gladly own the genre and take responsibility for whoever it pisses off. Some bands on Surf Rock Radio are actually getting endorsement deals from niche sportswear brands. I cringe when I hear the term "instrumental surf music". It screams of defensiveness, and how many syllables? How many genres of music are that awkward? And as Doug says, time wasted on these arguments are just that. Why not attack a real cliche like 'reverb drenched' 'pounding drums' or 'infectious beat'. For those of us that are in the business of copywriting and talking to magazines and radio about bands a list of cliches to avoid would be a great resource. —Sharawaji Records - UK Registered Record Label Dedicated To Surf, Instro, Reverb and Twang |
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Posted on Dec 21 2015 06:21 AM
Mike75 wrote:
I can imagine many people using the phrase above in an attempt to avoid the usual "Oh, like the Beach Boys..." response. Whether it's viewed as defensive may depend upon how presented by the person saying it. I've used that phrase before and still had people come back and say, "uh...instrumental?"
Glad you brought that up Mike; it's a sore spot with me in many more subjects of so-called journalism than just music. I can almost give a pass to some hack who knows nothing about the topic but got stuck with it & will move on to something else 30 seconds later. The thing that irks is reading something done by someone who purports to know the subject & still descends to use the most abrasive of cliches (like when a politician says "common sense). Then again... If one is in the business of talking to people who're going to write about something then perhaps it would be beneficial to comprehend their level of understanding & have a window into who they're writing for. I'm not grounded in theory but if you say 'Byzantine scale' it might be accurate but it could be more beneficial (at the far end, for their audience) to speak of something 'gypsy-like' or with a 'middle-eastern flavor' to it. Just an example. It takes some thought on the front-end in these times of desire for instant gratification that yields to pigeon-holing. —Wes DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices. |
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