The dad thing isn't even directed at dads. Why would anybody blanket insult dads? I'm not a dad, but I would like to be one day. And Dad's are cool. Check out Chip's Instagram, that dude knows how to dad.

The dad thing is akin to dad jeans, mom jeans, dad shoes. I'm 33 now, which is dad age. I wear comfortable shoes to walk in now. They look ridiculous. I wear a ridiculous hat to keep the sun out of my eyes. Those are 'dad' things.

To me the dad thing means both not giving a fuck about appearances and taking a giant leap/interest into new hobbies. I just got the new John Mayer album, I'm thinking of getting this $1000 G&L Jazzmaster and taking lessons on youtube. Or, like me, I enjoy taking photos I think I'm going to buy this $2K camera and thousands more in lenses before I even know how to take a photo.

IvanP wrote:

JakeDobner wrote:

This is 100% a dad guitar.

The 'dad' putdown is one of the most obnoxious things millennials have come up. You're much better than that, Jake.

It is arguable that the whole surf guitar scene is 'dad'.
On another, much more general forum (from which I got banned for not repressing my socio-religio-political orientation sufficiently - twice is enough, thanks) they use the term 'dad-rock' quite pejoratively. My guess is by millennials against the older members. It's essentially an 'ageist' term and ought to be avoided. It harps on the unsuitability of post-post-adolescent men to be seen playing guitar, the male equivalent of calling a woman 'matronly'.

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Looks like a good guitar for Surf or other. G&L typically manufactures good quality instruments. Cool color. The simplified circuit would likely be a selling point for many.

"Dad guitar"... that's about the silliest thing I've read here in quite some time??

I see no downside to a potential purchase.

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Didn't like it ... the jack is located in the worst place for an offset body.

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I didn't take personal offense at the 'dad-guitar' comment. I am not a dad. But as I already explained, I find the whole 'dad-jeans', etc. stuff really obnoxious. I understand if it comes from clueless, rebellious teenagers, but when it's coming from adults, even young adults, I think it's completely ridiculous - especially in regards to music, or in particular rock music, as in 'dad-rock'. Probably because as far as I can tell, millennials (not a term of putdown, simply a name for a generation) have not contributed a whole lot to music or art so far, and certainly nothing of significance to rock music (keeping in mind that the oldest millennials are now 32 years old). I have no doubt there's a generation gap at work there, and I just 'don't get it', but that's how it seems to me. Passion and dedication in music seems to be exhibited much more by the GenX and the Baby Boomers, even to this day. I've always felt that I stand on the shoulders of giants in music, and have had a great deal of reverence for the musicians that have come before. All my favorite musicians are basically my parents' age. So it never would even have occurred to me to put down my parents' generation in such a way, since it seems to me that the music created by the Baby Boomers is much superior to my own generation's music. When I think about what music is likely to still be listened to in a hundred or two hundred years, hands down it's the Baby Boomers' music, not my own generations'. Those of us here on this forum are playing music invented by the Baby Boomers and even the previous generation (i.e., DD) - on instruments designed and sometimes actually built by those generations, too. I greatly admire those generations, they've done a lot more for music than my own generation, which is why it's a matter of deep pride and satisfaction to me to be able to play with my dad or John Blair or co-write with Jim Skiathitis of the Atlantics. In light of all that, the 'Dad-rock' comment strikes me as a remarkably DUMB one to make. "Dads" and even "Grandads" as a generalization rock a LOT more and a LOT harder than any of today's young people from everything I've seen, and on guitars designed and built by THEM. What guitars have been designed by millennials? Gimme a freakin' break, just totally ridiculous.

Chip wanted an explanation from me - there you go. I have zero interest in continuing with this discussion any further, so I am out.

Regarding this G&L guitar, here's my take on it. It seems to me that the offsets are finally having their moment in the sun. I see Fender putting them in their advertisements a lot more than ever before, and younger bands using them more than ever before. Probably because they're not associated with 'dad-rock'. So I think Jake is completely wrong about the intended customers for this guitar. As several others have pointed out, actual lawyers (maybe some professors, too) have plenty of money to get the real deal, and usually want not just the real deal, but the REAL DEAL. This G&L guitar is going to be fairly affordable, and it looks quite a lot like the offsets played by many young guitarists. Most young guitarists don't seem to me to be terribly bothered by not having guitars that are vintage-correct, they just want a decent instrument. G&L have a great Leo-designed 2-pt trem system, and rather than tooling up to just copy the offset trem design, they took the body shape and stuck their popular trem system on it, expecting that most young people playing it won't give a hoot that it's not 'correct'. My final guess is that this is just an experiment, throw it against the wall and see if it sticks. Produce a few hundred, and see if they sell. That's my take on it.

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IvanP wrote:

I didn't take personal offense at the 'dad-guitar' comment. I am not a dad. But as I already explained, I find the whole 'dad-jeans', etc. stuff really obnoxious. I understand if it comes from clueless, rebellious teenagers, but when it's coming from adults, even young adults, I think it's completely ridiculous - especially in regards to music, or in particular rock music, as in 'dad-rock'. Probably because as far as I can tell, millennials (not a term of putdown, simply a name for a generation) have not contributed a whole lot to music or art so far, and certainly nothing of significance to rock music (keeping in mind that the oldest millennials are now 32 years old). I have no doubt there's a generation gap at work there, and I just 'don't get it', but that's how it seems to me. Passion and dedication in music seems to be exhibited much more by the GenX and the Baby Boomers, even to this day. I've always felt that I stand on the shoulders of giants in music, and have had a great deal of reverence for the musicians that have come before. All my favorite musicians are basically my parents' age. So it never would even have occurred to me to put down my parents' generation in such a way, since it seems to me that the music created by the Baby Boomers is much superior to my own generation's music. When I think about what music is likely to still be listened to in a hundred or two hundred years, hands down it's the Baby Boomers' music, not my own generations'. Those of us here on this forum are playing music invented by the Baby Boomers and even the previous generation (i.e., DD) - on instruments designed and sometimes actually built by those generations, too. I greatly admire those generations, they've done a lot more for music than my own generation, which is why it's a matter of deep pride and satisfaction to me to be able to play with my dad or John Blair or co-write with Jim Skiathitis of the Atlantics. In light of all that, the 'Dad-rock' comment strikes me as a remarkably DUMB one to make. "Dads" and even "Grandads" as a generalization rock a LOT more and a LOT harder than any of today's young people from everything I've seen, and on guitars designed and built by THEM. What guitars have been designed by millennials? Gimme a freakin' break, just totally ridiculous.

Chip wanted an explanation from me - there you go. I have zero interest in continuing with this discussion any further, so I am out.

Regarding this G&L guitar, here's my take on it. It seems to me that the offsets are finally having their moment in the sun. I see Fender putting them in their advertisements a lot more than ever before, and younger bands using them more than ever before. Probably because they're not associated with 'dad-rock'. So I think Jake is completely wrong about the intended customers for this guitar. As several others have pointed out, actual lawyers (maybe some professors, too) have plenty of money to get the real deal, and usually want not just the real deal, but the REAL DEAL. This G&L guitar is going to be fairly affordable, and it looks quite a lot like the offsets played by many young guitarists. Most young guitarists don't seem to me to be terribly bothered by not having guitars that are vintage-correct, they just want a decent instrument. G&L have a great Leo-designed 2-pt trem system, and rather than tooling up to just copy the offset trem design, they took the body shape and stuck their popular trem system on it, expecting that most young people playing it won't give a hoot that it's not 'correct'. My final guess is that this is just an experiment, throw it against the wall and see if it sticks. Produce a few hundred, and see if they sell. That's my take on it.

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Ivan - you nailed every tack on the head here.
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Lol. younger band are using offsets more than ever before to not contribute to music or art.

I thank you for some light entertainment this evening.

Chippertheripper wrote:

Lol. younger band are using offsets more than ever before to not contribute to music or art.

Chip, come on, you can do better than that. Clearly there are a lot of young bands out there. And clearly I was making a value judgment about the quality of the music they're producing, just as I was making a value judgment about the relative merits of the music made by the Baby Boomers vs. the GenX. You're welcome to disagree.

Surf_Skater wrote:

My kids are millennials, I never realized they've been mocking me by calling me dad.

Really, that's your take away from what I wrote? I give up.

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DannySnyder wrote:

Ivan, I think Surf_Skater was making a joke.

I guess I didn't get it.

I suppose you got a problem with "dad bods" too

Yes, yes, I do - both with having one, or having that pointed out!

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