trad nazis seem to often focus heavily on instruments and often overlook the actual music, which is why i brought it up.

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In that case I am a trad nazi although I'm not a huge fan of many of the first wave bands.

That's like saying I'm a midget even though I'm 5'9.

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That was excessively violent and completely unnecessary. I loved it.

I think Jake meant that there are people who use the trad nazi remark whenever someone says they dont like their band:

person A: "I don't like your band"
person B "Oh shut up, you're such a trad nazi!"

but who knows, Jake has a very complex mind and masters the enigmatic post like no one else

I understand DGG's concern, I dont think it's that bad and the word has lost it's connotation in the 'trad nazi' remark, but still. there could well be some first wavers who lost a dad, granddad or uncle on the Normandy beaches in '44, so yeah, there could be situations where it would be awkward to say the least to call people 'trad. nazi.'

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I could be wrong, but I think trad-Nazi came out because of the "soup-Nazi" episode of Seinfeld. It refers to someone that is so focused on on aspect of life, in this case a guy who only is interested in his soup, that everything and everyone else is secondary. In the case of Trad-Nazi, they are so focused on the look and sound not being 100% period correct, that they miss out on the experience of a newer surf sound or look.
Bands like Satan's Pilgrims, etc aren't trad, but they are the logical step from trad. SP's sounds and songs pay a certain reverence to the 1st wave bands.

I understood Jakes reference - it's like asking a girl out, getting turned down, and then declairing " she must be a lesbian!"

"You can't tell where you're going if you don't know where you've been"

I'm gonna go sorta old school and say:
-The Woodies
-Jon and the Nightriders

Maybe not really trad by some of today's more discriminating trad nazi, but in there times they were more trad than anything else out there.

I also really dig the Volcanics. When they mix in the frat vocals it's very reminiscent of the Sentinals or the Pyramids.

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I thought 'Trad-nazi' was a mythological creature like a 'Mermaid', do they actually really exist?

To various degrees, but I think the term is mainly just bandied about in a joking fashion, as in "You better not use that Crate power block/Flying V/Hawaiin shirt because the trad-Nazi's will come knocking on your door in the middle of the night".

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In the case of Trad-Nazi, they are so focused on the look and sound not being 100% period correct, that they miss out on the experience of a newer surf sound or look.

I think that's a good way of putting it. The trad nazis, living in their mythological underwater caves or wherever, are indeed missing out.

Well also realize that trad-Nazi is a perjorative term that is often thrown upon people who genuinely don't like modern or other non-60's influences in their surf music. The so-called "trad-Nazis" could just as easily make up a nasty word for those that do. It is not a helpful word at all, really.

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funny stuff. I forgot about the soup nazi episode. too funny.

anyway, I see surf nazi used in two ways: jokingly as said before, and to describe the people who say "it aint surf if it isn't 110% period correct 61-63" ... it has more to do with the word then the music, though the value judgement is enormous in all it's implicitness. I remeber a post a while ago, not sure who it was, that said something like "let's keep the genre pure". kinda silly, given how words are used and evolve in general, and also a conception of art I don't quite get. "yo, Vince, quit smearing that paint across those sunflowers, let's keep the art of painting pure"

anyway, I dont think we have many people like that here, I saw a few on cowabunga years ago, I seem to remember.

one thing, since it's been brought up a few times last week or so, I dont think everyone who likes to wear suits or loves talking about vintage gear necessarily also is a trad nazi or even prefers trad music in general, or trad appearance or whatever. it's usually a matter of if you want to look/ sound trad, what do you do.... I think I would be the prime example of that, in fact I love 1st wave trad bands, but my favorite current bands are mostly bands that to some or more degree are doing something new. go figure. Ive also stated a few times that Ive heard surfbands get a great tone with an SG. go figure some more.

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