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DannySnyder Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11077 Berkeley, CA	Posted on Apr 12 2007 01:53 PM I like the Beatles and Hendrix, but I hope this thread doesn't devolve into an argument about whether you like them or not. If anyone wants to post that subject, do so on the shallow well. 'tanks — Danny Snyder "With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac' Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF Top
badash Joined: Aug 18, 2006 Posts: 1732	Posted on Apr 12 2007 02:28 PM This thread should probably end. Just because good info is buried. How about a new one entitled something like "direct substitutions for 6L6 and their tonal impact" For instance here's one I turned up this morning that claims to be between an EL34 and a 6L6 which seems to suggest it plugs right in... The EL37.https://www.tubeworld.com/el37.htm Top
D22 Joined: Apr 20, 2006 Posts: 2056	Posted on Apr 12 2007 02:32 PM diceophonic badash Clearly I need to talk to a tech... Check that, a really really really good tech... Badash really really bad choice of words we all need to be more laid back Daulshowman is a kickass Engineer/amp tech, back in the day I was always emailing him on advice and he comes through with the info you need an awesome help when I was starting out with my amp ventures and repair, there are plenty of excellent amp techs/guitar techs here @ SG101 and Dualshowman aka Matt is one of them and DGG of Gomezamps and there's probably even more that we haven't even discovered in this forum or that have come forward yet, we need to give these fine folks a chance and have them express thier expertize and then research then make your call before you offened others that are in the trade in making a living from servicing amplifiers or just say nothing keep the insults to your self and thank them for the feedback if its not to your liking or what you wanted to hear move on, the worst thing is to make enemies and you don't want that my friend in any place, were here to learn and to help others learn and to share the things we know about amps and guitars and most of all the music... not to be-little or bash or to even put down but to help each other out. Piece man Thanks for the props man. Matt's info is spot on about the EL34's. I think many of his points are made to elucidate the fact that generally "yes" you can use EL34's in an amp using 6L6GC's BUT some important caveats need to be considered. I get the feeling he is saying "Is it worth modding and possibly threatening the health/causing damage of a/to a healthy amp for the sake of the use of a specific tube?" I nor he nor can anyone answer that for badash but badash. — Top
D22 Joined: Apr 20, 2006 Posts: 2056	Posted on Apr 12 2007 02:36 PM badash This thread should probably end. Just because good info is buried. How about a new one entitled something like "direct substitutions for 6L6 and their tonal impact" For instance here's one I turned up this morning that claims to be between an EL34 and a 6L6 which seems to suggest it plugs right in... The EL37.https://www.tubeworld.com/el37.htm Heater current is listed @1.4A A 6L6GC uses 0.9A Two of the EL37's is 2.8A ~3A of heater current. On some 50W heads this may exceed what they supply. We're not even including the heater current draw from the miniatures in said amp. The amp's PT will go south quickly if it's not rated for this high current draw. As an example, a Bassman is able to handle 3A. If you also throw the minatures used in it you will exceed the rating and the PT will be at risk. Matt's info is solid. — Top
JoshHeartless Joined: Jun 17, 2006 Posts: 1010 Bay City, Michigan	Posted on Apr 12 2007 02:49 PM WR didnt Dave say he was using E34L? doesn't that change everything, if they are different tubes? i was going to say that, but forgot amongst my rantings. — The Tremblors on Facebook! The Tremblors on MySpace! Top
D22 Joined: Apr 20, 2006 Posts: 2056	Posted on Apr 12 2007 03:10 PM JoshHeartless WR didnt Dave say he was using E34L? doesn't that change everything, if they are different tubes? i was going to say that, but forgot amongst my rantings. Just giving Matt props. — Top
WR Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 3832 netherlands	Posted on Apr 12 2007 03:15 PM I wasnt putting your info down, Idont think Josh was either. actually, all excellent info, Id love a seprate thread with that kind of stuff. fwiw, btw, have you seen the prices on those EL37's? yikes! Ive never heard of e34l's, what's the scoop? — Rules to live by #314: "When in Italy, if the menu says something's grilled, don't assume it is." https://www.facebook.com/The-Malbehavers-286429584796173/ Top
SlacktoneDave Joined: Jul 01, 2006 Posts: 657	Posted on Apr 12 2007 06:30 PM I'm a fan more of the Roman Republic than the Roman Empire, but Cicero couldn't do much about it, nor can I. On a happier note, I made a site with some notes about the Slacktone Amp. There is also an explanation that may support a posted opinion on this thread about tolerances, etc. That portion was written by a friend of mine who knows my amp well, but did not do the mods. don't forget the the user and password. http://tinyurl.com/29oejg User: surf Password: guitar ~ dave Top
Brian Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19349 Des Moines, Iowa, USA	Posted on Apr 12 2007 06:37 PM Thanks Dave! Nice job. I assume you built this amp primarily for playing live and touring? I see it has lots of nifty features for overcoming the "gotchas" of the road... — Site dude - S3 Agent #202 Need help with the site? SG101 FAQ - Send me a private message - Email me "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea Top
SlacktoneDave Joined: Jul 01, 2006 Posts: 657	Posted on Apr 12 2007 06:43 PM You got, Brian. It's the way I figured out how to fly the amp for free {before 9-11} until they lowered the luggage allowance to 50lbs. Now, I have to pay a couple bucks for the extra weight. I separate the chassis from the cabinet for shipping.~ dave Top
Anonymous Joined: Nov 10, 2000 Posts: -180	Posted on Apr 12 2007 07:54 PM is this a flame war??? looks like alot of good technical information here--over my head, i just play and work on guitars. i'm gonna go take one of doctor prescribed chill pills after reading this one. wow. that was cool! peace yall Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Apr 12 2007 08:01 PM SlacktoneDave I'm a fan more of the Roman Republic than the Roman Empire, but Cicero couldn't do much about it, nor can I. ~ dave That same preference cost Cicero his head. I hope it doesn't cost you your head. Top
DualShowman Joined: Feb 28, 2006 Posts: 69 Chicago	Posted on Apr 13 2007 02:30 AM Stormtiger I think Sgt. Pepper's is shit. I think Hendrix is shit. I think Metallica is shit. You can tell a lot about a person by what music they like. I don't care for Sergeant Pepper's either, and I saw Hendrix and wasn't impressed, but I 'd never reduce those contributions to fecal matter. Nice choice of words. Here's more context for y'all: This was a knock on what happened with the thread, not a true diatribe. While what I said still stands as truth, I do like most Beatles music (I could probably give you lyrics/chords/basslines/instruments off the top of my head verbatim) and once was in love with Sgt. Pepper's. I've finally come to the conclusion that the Beatles became too self indulgent for my tastes, this album being the pinnacle. As for Dave's amp, it appears that major modifications were made. This is clearly not a stock Fender amp with EL34s stuck in. That power transformer is living on borrowed time... Last edited: Apr 13, 2007 02:50:31 Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Apr 13 2007 02:33 AM I don't like Sgt. Peppers as well. I love all their stuff before and after. Top
SlacktoneDave Joined: Jul 01, 2006 Posts: 657	Posted on Apr 13 2007 07:29 AM I've made a couple more mods. Scroll down to the bottom to see. http://tinyurl.com/29oejg User: surf Password: guitar Top
WR Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 3832 netherlands	Posted on Apr 13 2007 07:42 AM is that a turbo boost? — Rules to live by #314: "When in Italy, if the menu says something's grilled, don't assume it is." https://www.facebook.com/The-Malbehavers-286429584796173/ Top
Brian Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19349 Des Moines, Iowa, USA	Posted on Apr 13 2007 08:08 AM — Site dude - S3 Agent #202 Need help with the site? SG101 FAQ - Send me a private message - Email me "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea Top
Stormtiger Joined: Dec 12, 2006 Posts: 2688 Ventura, CA	Posted on Apr 13 2007 11:42 AM Damn Dave, I've never this side of you. An historian and humorist you may have to replace Kurt Vonnegut as my favorite human. Top
DualShowman Joined: Feb 28, 2006 Posts: 69 Chicago	Posted on Apr 13 2007 12:13 PM Well, at least it'll run real cool... Top
Stormtiger Joined: Dec 12, 2006 Posts: 2688 Ventura, CA	Posted on Apr 13 2007 01:27 PM All it needs now is a radiator. Top

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