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I saw this on Twitter:

If I had to choose a world without open internet, or one without hollywood movies and tv. I would choose 'without hollywood movies and tv'.

I have to agree with that.

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This looks like a pretty accurate summary of the current currently proposed legislation...

From
http://luminconsulting.com/sopa/

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Fady

El Mirage @ ReverbNation

Last edited: Jan 19, 2012 21:39:36

Wow, nice find Fady. Great summary.

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where is the ostrich putting his head in the sand emoticon?
damn, can't find it,
oh wait, this will work.
Dead Thread or this Suicide

Sorry when I read to much I get overwhelmed and my eyes roll back in my head.
must be ADD

carry on freedom fighters

Jeff(bigtikidude)

Watch this Jeff. Video explanation from the Khan Academy:

http://www.khanacademy.org/video/sopa-and-pipa

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Last edited: Jan 20, 2012 08:12:44

I'm thinking these unintended consequences aren't so unintended. Raise your hand if you think the government doesn't want to be in charge of the flow of information?

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Noel wrote:

I'm thinking these unintended consequences aren't so
unintended. Raise your hand if you think the government
doesn't want to be in charge of the flow of
information?

The US runs most of the root name servers (basically the backbone of the Internet), but there are 2 outside of the US that are out of their jurisdiction, and from what I remember 10 years ago, they were VERY opposed to the idea at first. The US created the Internet of course, but it has become much bigger and more important to the world than even the US government. I suspect Europe would have created their own Internet if they wold have persisted with their control-freak mentality. Who knows, maybe that would be our answer if the Fed and their "friends" got their way.

Mike
http://www.youtube.com/morphballio

The way Brussels runs things, they would insist an EU governing body have TOTAL control and pre-approval of content. Same with China or any government able to create an Internet competitor or replacement.

Other governments have always viewed the completely free flow of ideas as dangerous if not outright seditious. Our government was originally constituted without the authority to control the free flow of ideas. But it has been gathering the power to do so almost from ratification. Too bad. The only way governments can control ideas and economic activity is by controlling their people.

And so it goes as history repeats itself, again. All governments accumulate power over their citizens the way black holes accumulate matter; irresistably and inexorably. Orwell was always right.

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Last edited: Jan 20, 2012 10:36:02

Brian wrote:

Watch this Jeff. Video explanation from the Khan
Academy:

http://www.khanacademy.org/video/sopa-and-pipa

Thanks Brian,
I get it,
its just when the info is 3 feet long on the screen.
I feel like I have to read the whole encyclopedia.
I am a big fan of summarizing.
I don't know if that is possible in this case.
But if it could be put into 4 sentences.
I would love that.

Jeff(bigtikidude)

Congress puts anti-piracy bills on ice (From Reuters).

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bigtikidude wrote:

I am a big fan of summarizing.
I don't know if that is possible in this case.
But if it could be put into 4 sentences.
I would love that.

  1. You currently have liberty and some freedom speech and freedom to access info on the internet.
  2. Someone with money and/or power wants to control your access to the internet content.
  3. If you do nothing, you may likely lose your liberties on the internet.
  4. Do something.

perfect.
thanks DP

Jeff(bigtikidude)

Senator Ron Wyden from Oregon gets it:

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2012/01/wyden-pipa-sopa-wake-up/

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Brian wrote:

Senator Ron Wyden from Oregon gets it:

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2012/01/wyden-pipa-sopa-wake-up/

Right on Sen. Wyden! Thanks for sharing this Brian.

-Damon.

Here's a piece by a well-respected economist that appeared in yesterday's WSJ. (I'm not posting it b/c I agree with it, incidentally - I just don't know. He does raise some important points.)

The Wall Street Journal
OPINION
JANUARY 24, 2012

Internet to Artists: Drop Dead
Contrary to myth, providing consumers with convenient downloads at reasonable prices, as iTunes did, does not appear to have ameliorated piracy at all.

By STAN LIEBOWITZ

You may have noticed last Wednesday's blackout of Wikipedia or Google's strange blindfolded-logo screen. These were attempts to kill the Protect IP Act and the Stop Online Piracy Act, proposed legislation intended to hinder piracy and counterfeiting. The laws now before Congress may not be perfect, and they can still be amended. But to do nothing and stay with the status quo is to keep our creative industries at risk by failing to enforce their property rights.

Critics of these proposed laws claim that they are unnecessary and will lead to frivolous claims, reduce innovation and stifle free speech. Those are gross exaggerations. The same critics have been making these claims about every previous attempt to rein in piracy, including the Digital Millennium Copyright Act that was called a draconian antipiracy measure at the time of its passage in 1998. As we all know, the DMCA did not kill the Internet, or even do any noticeable damage to freedom—or to pirates.

What have been damaged are industries susceptible to piracy—that is the unlicensed reproduction and/or sale of music, movies, books and other products that belong by law to the people who made them. For example, my analysis of statistics from the Radio Industry Association of America clearly reveals the decimation of the sound-recording industry since 1999. The cumulative sales losses, since the ascendancy of the music-sharing site Napster, amount to $70 billion (inflation adjusted) in the U.S. and about twice that amount for the entire world. In percentage terms, inflation-adjusted yearly sales are down more than 50% in the U.S. and the rest of the world. Any industry experiencing a decline of this magnitude would consider it a catastrophe. And it has been brought about by theft, not creative destruction from a superior product.

Scads of Internet pundits and bloggers have vehemently argued that piracy is really a sales-promoting activity—because it gives people a free sample that might lead to a purchase—or that any piracy problems have been due to a failure of industry to embrace the Internet. Yet these claims are little more than wishful thinking. Some reflect a hostility to commercial activities—think Occupy Wall Street, or self-interest. Others make "freedom" claims on behalf of sites that profit by helping individuals find pirate sites, makers of complementary hardware, or companies that benefit from Internet usage and collect revenues whether the material being accessed was legally obtained or not.

In my examination of peer-reviewed studies, the great majority have results that conform to common sense: Piracy harms copyright owners. I was also somewhat surprised to discover that the typical finding of such academic studies was that the entire enormous decline that has occurred is due to piracy.

Contrary to an often-repeated myth, providing consumers with convenient downloads at reasonable prices, as iTunes did, does not appear to have ameliorated piracy at all. The sales decline after iTunes exploded on the scene was about the same as the decline before iTunes existed. Apparently it really is difficult to compete with free. Is that really such a surprise?

Although music has been the canary in the coal mine, movies and software have suffered as well, and books are likely to follow once digitization becomes more common. These are products that we export, that we have had a comparative advantage at producing, and for which we are known throughout the world. Do we really want to further endanger these industries?

Although the proposed laws focus on foreign sites, we have plenty of pirate sites at home. One of the ironies of the DMCA is that it unintentionally provided protection for pirates. The DMCA created a "safe harbor" provision allowing an Internet service provider (ISP) to avoid liability if, upon being advised of copyright infringement (by a so-called a "takedown" request), they removed the infringing material. But there's a huge flaw.

With millions of uploading users at work, copyrighted materials can be uploaded faster than takedown requests can have them removed, so that the pirated materials are always available. YouTube was an early beneficiary of this practice—although it now filters out infringing material before it is requested to do so, for which it is to be commended.

Other sites, however, systematically traffic in pirated material—either openly or in effect soliciting uploads of copyrighted materials and then hiding behind the safe-harbor provision to avoid copyright liability—while they collect advertising and subscription revenues from users of their pirated material. Such practices, which are widespread, constitute a terrible injustice to those copyright owners who do not wish to make their works available to any of these unauthorized parties.

A balancing of competing legitimate interests is always required for good legislation. So far, the balance has favored the pirates—in spite of extravagant protests to the contrary. The real and massive losses of copyright owners need to be rebalanced against any hypothetical losses that stronger protection might impose.

Mr. Liebowitz is an economist in the Management School at the University of Texas at Dallas. His recent research paper "The Metric is the Message," available at SSRN.com, examines the published studies of piracy.

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DP,
can I get yer 1 paragraph summary please? Dead

Jeff(bigtikidude)

original title: "Internet to Artists: Drop Dead"

Original teaser: (Contrary to myth, providing consumers with convenient downloads at reasonable prices, as iTunes did, does not appear to have ameliorated piracy at all.)

DP brief synopsis: Electronic files can be easily shared because they are super-portable, they exist as electronic data files on the internet. Data files are easily pirated. People who are the original creators of data files lose copyright income when their files are illegally shared. File sharing and piracy are rampant throughout the internet. Better ways to protect copyright owners and prevent piracy on the internet are desperately needed.

Last edited: Jan 25, 2012 21:47:27

May I try a brief summary instead?

1) There is no benefit to online piracy, except to the pirates.
2) Online piracy has already severely reduced the recording industry.
Actual sales are a pale shadow of the past, but there are more
listeners than ever. Anyone want to sell 500,000 7-inch records?
3) If something doesn't stop online piracy, there won't be a recording
industry.
4) There has to be a way to protect copyrights (property) from pirates
while preserving the fee exchange of knowledge on the Internet.

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Last edited: Jan 25, 2012 21:56:14

I didn't steal DP's answer. I really didn't. It wasn't there when I started my reply. I just got distracted and didn't finish right away. It's not my fault. I'm not a pirate. Really. Big Grin Laughing

This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.

Noel wrote:

I didn't steal DP's answer. I really didn't. It wasn't
there when I started my reply. I just got distracted
and didn't finish right away. It's not my fault. I'm
not a pirate. Really. Big Grin Laughing

see what I mean about electronic creativity: as soon as you push the "publish" button, some internet pirate in Somalia or North Korea or Yemen is stealing your stuff!

actually, I dig Noel's synopsis: it's right on!

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