JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Feb 09 2015 04:22 PM
ravcon wrote:
I've got one but never use it. I just don't buy into the whole revival, and I work at a record store. I prefer the large artwork format, but it ends there. I've still got a bunch of records though, or as the kids call them "vinyls" (cringe).
The revival is not actual a revival! It's a death knell. Way too expensive...
With that said... I love the tactility of the format combined with the larger art. I'm not in it for the sound, more the physical touching and beauty.
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ravcon
Joined: Feb 20, 2010
Posts: 727
Charlotte, NC
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Posted on Feb 09 2015 04:31 PM
I agree Jake, the industry is bent on killing it. Prices go up all the time. I do like the format, and I have fond memories of the experience. It has its charms, no doubt.
— Mike
manfromravcon.com
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Badger
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Wisconsin
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Posted on Feb 09 2015 04:34 PM
ravcon wrote:
I agree Jake, the industry is bent on killing it. Prices go up all the time. I do like the format, and I have fond memories of the experience. It has its charms, no doubt.
Yep, I don't view it as a revival either, just have a significant closet full of records & may want to still play some of 'em. The tactile aspect of an album can't be ignored; kinda like the difference between reading something on a 'device' vs. holding, reading, & marking a book.
— Wes
SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel
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bigtikidude
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Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on Feb 09 2015 04:35 PM
A friend in San Diego has a high end Stereo
And 5000k dollar turntable. He has A/B'd the cd n vinyl
Of the Bambi Molestors as the dark wave swells.
Wow, night n day. I was dumbfounded by how much better the vinyl sounded.
— Jeff(bigtikidude)
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zzero
Joined: Jul 09, 2010
Posts: 1153
Lillian Alabama
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Posted on Feb 09 2015 04:49 PM
Vinyl does sound better but I'm not spending a dime to convert formats again. Records to 8 tracks to cassettes to cd's?? No way buddy. Too expensive and time consuming! But I do miss the artwork!
— Enjoying the surf,sun and sand!!
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Teiscofan
Joined: Feb 21, 2011
Posts: 513
Ontario
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Posted on Feb 09 2015 04:50 PM
I have my primary turntable and a couple of backups.... the sound is not only less mechanical but you can feel the motion and actually visualize where the musicans were when they recorded it. It has depth, and is a true listening experience. The tacticallity of having a gate fold album , with a poster, post cards etc... is hard to beat.
AS well there is a whole bunch of really great material that never made it to CD, MP3 etc.....
My 2 cents worth.....lol
— I am not obsolete, I am RETRO....
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ravcon
Joined: Feb 20, 2010
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Charlotte, NC
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Posted on Feb 09 2015 04:58 PM
I do love gatefolds.
— Mike
manfromravcon.com
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ChazSurf
Joined: Nov 25, 2010
Posts: 191
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Posted on Feb 09 2015 05:07 PM
I don't think I've ever been without a turntable. I'm spinning a record right now, as I do several times a day. I frequent a local record store once a week. Lately I've been buying a lot of old Sinatra albums.
You might say vinyl and I have a sort of relationship.
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matt
Joined: Oct 18, 2010
Posts: 656
Boston, MA
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Posted on Feb 09 2015 05:59 PM
I have one, nothing crazy, but I do like playing records. Meanwhile, I have a friend who went from having no records to having several walls full of mostly new vinyl. I didn't realize you could GET several walls full of mostly new vinyl!
— Matt Heaton & the Electric Heaters
Boston's Premier Surf/Noir Combo
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wfoguy
Joined: Dec 11, 2011
Posts: 2139
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Posted on Feb 09 2015 06:08 PM
I have a Fisher that I bought in 1986. I used it to convert all the lp's to cd years ago. I haven't had it turned on for a few years so there is the chance that it's dead. I have bought 2 usb units and sent both of them back. Too cheap comes to mind. The difference in sound is very noticeable. Analog is "all points addressable" and digital is in steps on 10 like the metric system. There are fractions of numerical sequences that can't seem to be duplicated. Never forget that records were wore out by the needles. I read somewhere that there is a laser reader for records now. Little pricey but maybe the best ever? 
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CrazyAces
Joined: Jul 31, 2012
Posts: 4054
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted on Feb 09 2015 06:50 PM
Still have a turntable.
Love the sound but not on all new vinyl.
Some new vinyl is gimmick only. If the recordings weren't captured in a format that can use the bandwidth of vinyl then there will be no difference to the listener between CD and vinyl.
Not all old vinyl is king either.
An original pressing of Derek and The Dominos sounds like shit compared with the re-mastered CD. Great music, great playing, not so great mixing and mastering (and I love Tom Dowd)
The records that are and were recorded in a format that benefits from being distributed on vinyl are beautiful, have dimension and can be very close to being in the room with the musician.
I've never been into trends so that part kind of wears on me and like Mike (Ravcon) I hate when the younger folks use the phrase "vinyls" but I have been known to be a curmudgeon and as long as they are buying and listening to music it's cool with me.
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Teiscofan
Joined: Feb 21, 2011
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Ontario
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Posted on Feb 09 2015 06:58 PM
The mere marketing of the older vinyl jackets alone outreaches CD's. Look at the awesome Alice Cooper "KIllers" gatefold with the calendar ( took me years to find one that hadnt been ripped out) ...or Pink Floyds "Wish you were here " with the stickers or Kiss " Love Gun" or.....the list goes on...
Whats better than a gatefold....a trifold cover....
It may be a revival for the younger folks but some of us never quit listeneing to it.
— I am not obsolete, I am RETRO....
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Feb 09 2015 07:08 PM
CrazyAces wrote:
An original pressing of Derek and The Dominos sounds like shit compared with the re-mastered CD. Great music, great playing, not so great mixing and mastering (and I love Tom Dowd)
One of my personal favorites, and I can vouch for your statement!
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revmike
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 3865
North Atlantic
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Posted on Feb 09 2015 07:39 PM
I have an acquaintance who was the engineer for one of the classical nominated Grammys last night. Years ago he played 2 CD versions of the same recording for people (in a blind test), adding the white noise from records on one. More people seemed to prefer the CD with the white noise. Not scientific, but interesting none-the-less.
Rev
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Badger
Joined: Nov 16, 2013
Posts: 4537
Wisconsin
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Posted on Feb 09 2015 08:36 PM
JakeDobner wrote:
CrazyAces wrote:
An original pressing of Derek and The Dominos sounds like shit compared with the re-mastered CD. Great music, great playing, not so great mixing and mastering (and I love Tom Dowd)
One of my personal favorites, and I can vouch for your statement!
+2; that's a perfect example. Awhile back a friend put that in the player during a trip like he wanted me to listen to something he'd just discovered.
"Holy...!" My record doesn't sound like that; I went & bought the CD.
— Wes
SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel
DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices.
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ElMonstroPorFavor
Joined: Sep 01, 2006
Posts: 2759
New Orleans, LA
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Posted on Feb 09 2015 08:42 PM
That Derek and the Dominos sounds like an exception. For newer stuff I think the main advantage vinyl has is packaging, but older stuff usually sounds better to me. For instance I just got an original Lloyd Thaxton Goes Surfing with the Challengers and finally actually enjoyed it. The CD reissues I'd heard took all the life out of it. So thin sounding, no punch.
— Storm Surge of Reverb: Surf & Instro Radio
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JakeDobner
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Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Feb 09 2015 08:53 PM
The early CDs sound bad, all that Beatles, Dylan, Kinks, Elvis Costello, Neil Young(among others).
The reissued version of a lot of these albums sounds amazing, and better than the original vinyl.
Mastering got a lot better in the 80s(from what these ears hear), having improved upon the 60s Mastering throughout the 70s.
Ultimately, it doesn't make an album better or worse. But we, as fans, just want to hear the album in the best possible way possible. Still some of my fondest musical memories was listening to Derek and the Dominos after I discovered the vinyl at a goodwill. I owned 6 copies at one point, having scoured thrift stores across the Seattle area for cheap music to buy in the late 90s/early 2000s.
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EJ
Joined: May 05, 2012
Posts: 351
Virginia Beach
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Posted on Feb 09 2015 09:53 PM
I just recently moved, and in our new neighborhood was an estate sale and I landed the Exotica collection I had always dreamed of for a meer 7$ I unpacked my turn table to find the arm snapped in two... It's been years since I had room in entertainment cab to hook it up too. My last CD player died and had the space, I was going to go older school... Looks like I'll be waiting yet again to hear a real record.
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CrazyAces
Joined: Jul 31, 2012
Posts: 4054
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted on Feb 09 2015 10:47 PM
revhank wrote:
I have an acquaintance who was the engineer for one of the classical nominated Grammys last night. Years ago he played 2 CD versions of the same recording for people (in a blind test), adding the white noise from records on one. More people seemed to prefer the CD with the white noise. Not scientific, but interesting none-the-less.
Rev
That is interesting!
I actually prefer most classical (baroque, romantic, opera etc) on CD unless it's a solo or small ensemble performnace.
Cheers,
Jeff
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CrazyAces
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Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted on Feb 09 2015 11:03 PM
ElMonstroPorFavor wrote:
That Derek and the Dominos sounds like an exception. For newer stuff I think the main advantage vinyl has is packaging, but older stuff usually sounds better to me. For instance I just got an original Lloyd Thaxton Goes Surfing with the Challengers and finally actually enjoyed it. The CD reissues I'd heard took all the life out of it. So thin sounding, no punch.
It's only an exception because of it's recent remastering.
Like Jake said, when CD's came out the companies hastily transfered catalogs and did a horrible job so most earlier rock n roll sounds like ass on CD's until recently or even still so I agree with you Hunter. We all had to live with pretty horrible sounding Beatles on CD for what....? 20 years before it was done better but I still prefer the Parlophone vinyl.
I have some Duane Eddy on CD. A copy of "Have Twangy Guitar Will Travel" on mono vinyl will make one believe the CD versions are from a cassette. The difference is startling!
And then there's Jazz.
A Clifford Brown CD is a good listen but the vinyl versions will physically and emotionally move you.
Music made and documented with vibrations, not crunched up numbers
Cheers,
Jeff
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