Call for discussion: For Sale / Trade forum rules updates

Brian

Joined: Feb 25, 2006
Posts: 19344
Des Moines, Iowa, USA
United States

Posted on Feb 07 2019 08:22 AM

I've had some good feedback from a trusted long-time user about updating the rules for this forum. The existing rules are here. Are there any changes or additions you would like to see?

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Chippertheripper

Joined: Mar 11, 2011
Posts: 819
Semass
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Posted on Feb 07 2019 09:21 AM

Most post price in ad.
Must be a member for a certain time or number of posts before one is allowed to post an ad.
No external links (unless off site photo hosting): Craigslist or reverb etc.
You may only send your own gear/records, no advertising for anybody else.

That’s all I have off the top of my head, if you’re looking for opinions.
We all know I’m not shy with my own thoughts, for better or worse.

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Taifighter

Joined: Oct 31, 2018
Posts: 225
Indiana
United States

Posted on Feb 07 2019 09:34 AM

Chippertheripper wrote:

No external links (unless off site photo hosting): Craigslist or reverb etc.
You may only send your own gear/records, no advertising for anybody else.

Linking can be great way to alert everybody if one of us comes across something cool, regardless if it's an item from a member or not.
Just a thought.

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tahitijack

Joined: Nov 03, 2006
Posts: 693
San Clemente, CA
United States

Posted on Feb 07 2019 12:49 PM

Should have the exact city and state (or country) of the seller.

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WoodyJ

Joined: Apr 05, 2006
Posts: 1547
Bethlehem, GA
United States

Posted on Feb 07 2019 03:23 PM

Chippertheripper wrote:

Most post price in ad.
Must be a member for a certain time or number of posts before one is allowed to post an ad.
No external links (unless off site photo hosting): Craigslist or reverb etc.
You may only send your own gear/records, no advertising for anybody else.

That’s all I have off the top of my head, if you’re looking for opinions.
We all know I’m not shy with my own thoughts, for better or worse.

I agree with Chipper. Dealing with a reasonably established SG101 member avoids possible scamming by an unknown person whose first (and usually only) post is to sell something. This isn't Reverb.com.

Just my opinion.

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The Hula Hounds (1996-2000)
The X-Rays (1997-2004)
The Surge! (2004, 2011-2012)
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edwardsand

Joined: Jun 29, 2018
Posts: 801

Posted on Feb 07 2019 07:28 PM

I'd say not to be too restrictive about new members posting for sale - I had been a lurker on the forums for a long time before joining and actually posting, and soon after joining I did have something I wanted to sell. I think I'd made 10 posts or so by that time. But there is always the risk of someone joining, making a few comments and then trying to scam people by posting an item for sale. Maybe a minimum of 40 posts or something?

Definitely require people to post a price - put things up and soliciting interest is quite annoying and a waste of peoples' time.

I'm fine with people posting links to things on Reverb or ebay - it's nice to be alerted when something rare or special shows up for sale.

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kick_the_reverb

Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 1339
Escondido, CA
2 News Pins

Posted on Feb 07 2019 07:29 PM

My suggestions:
Must include price.
Must include geographic area.
Must not delete ad after sale.
Must mark as sold after sale.
Must not delete asking price after sale.
Nice to add on what medium was the item sold (many of us cross post, I usually update the post if it was sold on the forum, Craiglist, Facebook Market Place, etc).
Minimum number of messages would be nice, but let's make it pretty low...

Thanks,
Ran

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h3dg3h0g

Joined: Jun 27, 2015
Posts: 236
San Francisco East Bay Area
2 News Pins

Posted on Feb 07 2019 09:14 PM

Recommend to donate portion of proceeds (1-2%?) to SG101.com

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tahitijack

Joined: Nov 03, 2006
Posts: 693
San Clemente, CA
United States

Posted on Feb 07 2019 10:19 PM

How many bumps by the seller is reasonable? Some sales seam to get bumped 1,482 times before a sale. I don't mind a seller post update on price or description or change to the description such as new tubes, set up or other changes to the condition.

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Jazzbo

Joined: Jun 22, 2018
Posts: 6
Sunny SoCal

Posted on Feb 08 2019 08:57 AM

Just curious, but how serious is "scamming" on this site? Does it happen that often? And is it only by new members?

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Brian

Joined: Feb 25, 2006
Posts: 19344
Des Moines, Iowa, USA
United States

Posted on Feb 08 2019 09:17 AM

Thanks for the input. I'm currently inclined to revise the rules along what Ran has suggested. I can't easily enforce a minimum post thing, and it may not always be a good thing. But you can look at their post count and judge accordingly.

Just curious, but how serious is "scamming" on this site? Does it happen that often? And is it only by new members?

It doesn't happen often at all. I know of only one case where some new member started sending private messages to people who showed interest in other for sale threads. He of course had a similar item with a lower price. And he sure had a lot of items!

Is it only by new members? Well, yes otherwise they wouldn't stick around if there was some controversy over their behavior. We did have one case where a fairly active member (a moderate post count) (and someone I met in person) accepted money for some items but never followed through in delivering the goods. Was it a scam or just some guy being flaky? I'm not sure but he disappeared soon after that, so who knows, was he hit by a bus?

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synchro

Joined: Feb 02, 2008
Posts: 4555
Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.
United States

Posted on Feb 08 2019 07:18 PM

Brian wrote:

Thanks for the input. I'm currently inclined to revise the rules along what Ran has suggested. I can't easily enforce a minimum post thing, and it may not always be a good thing. But you can look at their post count and judge accordingly.

Just curious, but how serious is "scamming" on this site? Does it happen that often? And is it only by new members?

It doesn't happen often at all. I know of only one case where some new member started sending private messages to people who showed interest in other for sale threads. He of course had a similar item with a lower price. And he sure had a lot of items!

Is it only by new members? Well, yes otherwise they wouldn't stick around if there was some controversy over their behavior. We did have one case where a fairly active member (a moderate post count) (and someone I met in person) accepted money for some items but never followed through in delivering the goods. Was it a scam or just some guy being flaky? I'm not sure but he disappeared soon after that, so who knows, was he hit by a bus?

You bring up a good point. Rules are worthless unless they can be enforced and I doubt that anyone wants the full-time job of reviewing every sale post/thread for compliance. My take on this is a very clearly worded statement to the effect that the forum does not promote, endorse or discourage sales. It functions like a literal bulletin board. Caveat emptor.

When I see a for sale post, I take into account all sort of things. There are people that post a for sale thread as their first ever post. I wouldn't part with money unless I had additional protection, such as eBay, in such a case. Some people drop by to sell whatever they are selling and rarely post otherwise. In at least one case, I have a lot of confidence in this particular guy; he just buys and sells a lot of gear. But, once again, caveat emptor. Everyone has to make their own choice.

The most important thing is making certain that no one expects the forum to become involved if a sale goes bad.

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The artist formerly known as: Synchro

When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.

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Brian Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19344 Des Moines, Iowa, USA	Posted on Feb 07 2019 08:22 AM I've had some good feedback from a trusted long-time user about updating the rules for this forum. The existing rules are here. Are there any changes or additions you would like to see? — Site dude - S3 Agent #202 Need help with the site? SG101 FAQ - Send me a private message - Email me "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea Top
Chippertheripper Joined: Mar 11, 2011 Posts: 819 Semass	Posted on Feb 07 2019 09:21 AM Most post price in ad. Must be a member for a certain time or number of posts before one is allowed to post an ad. No external links (unless off site photo hosting): Craigslist or reverb etc. You may only send your own gear/records, no advertising for anybody else. That’s all I have off the top of my head, if you’re looking for opinions. We all know I’m not shy with my own thoughts, for better or worse. Top
Taifighter Joined: Oct 31, 2018 Posts: 225 Indiana	Posted on Feb 07 2019 09:34 AM Chippertheripper wrote: No external links (unless off site photo hosting): Craigslist or reverb etc. You may only send your own gear/records, no advertising for anybody else. Linking can be great way to alert everybody if one of us comes across something cool, regardless if it's an item from a member or not. Just a thought. Top
tahitijack Joined: Nov 03, 2006 Posts: 693 San Clemente, CA	Posted on Feb 07 2019 12:49 PM Should have the exact city and state (or country) of the seller. — Happy Sunsets! Last edited: Feb 07, 2019 12:51:16 Top
WoodyJ Joined: Apr 05, 2006 Posts: 1547 Bethlehem, GA	Posted on Feb 07 2019 03:23 PM Chippertheripper wrote: Most post price in ad. Must be a member for a certain time or number of posts before one is allowed to post an ad. No external links (unless off site photo hosting): Craigslist or reverb etc. You may only send your own gear/records, no advertising for anybody else. That’s all I have off the top of my head, if you’re looking for opinions. We all know I’m not shy with my own thoughts, for better or worse. I agree with Chipper. Dealing with a reasonably established SG101 member avoids possible scamming by an unknown person whose first (and usually only) post is to sell something. This isn't Reverb.com. Just my opinion. — Jack Booth (aka WoodyJ) The Mariners (1964-68, 1996-2005), 2025 The Hula Hounds (1996-2000) The X-Rays (1997-2004) The Surge! (2004, 2011-2012) Various non-surf bands that actually made money (1978-1990) Last edited: Feb 07, 2019 15:23:58 Top
edwardsand Joined: Jun 29, 2018 Posts: 801	Posted on Feb 07 2019 07:28 PM I'd say not to be too restrictive about new members posting for sale - I had been a lurker on the forums for a long time before joining and actually posting, and soon after joining I did have something I wanted to sell. I think I'd made 10 posts or so by that time. But there is always the risk of someone joining, making a few comments and then trying to scam people by posting an item for sale. Maybe a minimum of 40 posts or something? Definitely require people to post a price - put things up and soliciting interest is quite annoying and a waste of peoples' time. I'm fine with people posting links to things on Reverb or ebay - it's nice to be alerted when something rare or special shows up for sale. Top
kick_the_reverb Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 1339 Escondido, CA	Posted on Feb 07 2019 07:29 PM My suggestions: Must include price. Must include geographic area. Must not delete ad after sale. Must mark as sold after sale. Must not delete asking price after sale. Nice to add on what medium was the item sold (many of us cross post, I usually update the post if it was sold on the forum, Craiglist, Facebook Market Place, etc). Minimum number of messages would be nice, but let's make it pretty low... Thanks, Ran — The Scimitars Top
h3dg3h0g Joined: Jun 27, 2015 Posts: 236 San Francisco East Bay Area	Posted on Feb 07 2019 09:14 PM Recommend to donate portion of proceeds (1-2%?) to SG101.com — Jonathan the Reverbivore The Reverbivores Please check out our latest album The Reverbivores Watch TV! www.thereverbivores.com Facebook YouTube Last edited: Feb 07, 2019 21:15:22 Top
tahitijack Joined: Nov 03, 2006 Posts: 693 San Clemente, CA	Posted on Feb 07 2019 10:19 PM How many bumps by the seller is reasonable? Some sales seam to get bumped 1,482 times before a sale. I don't mind a seller post update on price or description or change to the description such as new tubes, set up or other changes to the condition. — Happy Sunsets! Top
Jazzbo Joined: Jun 22, 2018 Posts: 6 Sunny SoCal	Posted on Feb 08 2019 08:57 AM Just curious, but how serious is "scamming" on this site? Does it happen that often? And is it only by new members? Top
Brian Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19344 Des Moines, Iowa, USA	Posted on Feb 08 2019 09:17 AM Thanks for the input. I'm currently inclined to revise the rules along what Ran has suggested. I can't easily enforce a minimum post thing, and it may not always be a good thing. But you can look at their post count and judge accordingly. Just curious, but how serious is "scamming" on this site? Does it happen that often? And is it only by new members? It doesn't happen often at all. I know of only one case where some new member started sending private messages to people who showed interest in other for sale threads. He of course had a similar item with a lower price. And he sure had a lot of items! Is it only by new members? Well, yes otherwise they wouldn't stick around if there was some controversy over their behavior. We did have one case where a fairly active member (a moderate post count) (and someone I met in person) accepted money for some items but never followed through in delivering the goods. Was it a scam or just some guy being flaky? I'm not sure but he disappeared soon after that, so who knows, was he hit by a bus? — Site dude - S3 Agent #202 Need help with the site? SG101 FAQ - Send me a private message - Email me "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea Top
synchro Joined: Feb 02, 2008 Posts: 4555 Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.	Posted on Feb 08 2019 07:18 PM Brian wrote: Thanks for the input. I'm currently inclined to revise the rules along what Ran has suggested. I can't easily enforce a minimum post thing, and it may not always be a good thing. But you can look at their post count and judge accordingly. Just curious, but how serious is "scamming" on this site? Does it happen that often? And is it only by new members? It doesn't happen often at all. I know of only one case where some new member started sending private messages to people who showed interest in other for sale threads. He of course had a similar item with a lower price. And he sure had a lot of items! Is it only by new members? Well, yes otherwise they wouldn't stick around if there was some controversy over their behavior. We did have one case where a fairly active member (a moderate post count) (and someone I met in person) accepted money for some items but never followed through in delivering the goods. Was it a scam or just some guy being flaky? I'm not sure but he disappeared soon after that, so who knows, was he hit by a bus? You bring up a good point. Rules are worthless unless they can be enforced and I doubt that anyone wants the full-time job of reviewing every sale post/thread for compliance. My take on this is a very clearly worded statement to the effect that the forum does not promote, endorse or discourage sales. It functions like a literal bulletin board. Caveat emptor. When I see a for sale post, I take into account all sort of things. There are people that post a for sale thread as their first ever post. I wouldn't part with money unless I had additional protection, such as eBay, in such a case. Some people drop by to sell whatever they are selling and rarely post otherwise. In at least one case, I have a lot of confidence in this particular guy; he just buys and sells a lot of gear. But, once again, caveat emptor. Everyone has to make their own choice. The most important thing is making certain that no one expects the forum to become involved if a sale goes bad. — The artist formerly known as: Synchro When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar. Top

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