Corey_Y
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Poland, Ohio
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Posted on Mar 25 2016 05:10 PM
Thanks for the advice Ed. There's a couple local upholstery shops right near my work that have been around for a long time. I may look into having one of them do the tolex covering for me, once I finish assembling the box. Grill cloth is one of the few things I can actually manage! I made a new baffle for a friend's cab last year and helped out with the grill cloth on that, but I have some applicable experience with replacing fiberglass grills on window screens over the years.
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Sonichris
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Posted on Mar 25 2016 06:17 PM
If you can do grill cloth, you can do tolex. It's not very hard. There are several people on here who can help you out with the corners, which are the only tricky part. And they aren't hard once you know the secret.
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eddiekatcher
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Posted on Mar 25 2016 06:22 PM
I think those damn corners are an art form. Not sure I do them "right" but they do come out pretty good. And then there is the great equalizer.......
super glue.
Let us know how you are doing C Man.
ed
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Corey_Y
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Poland, Ohio
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Posted on Mar 25 2016 06:24 PM
Psssttt...someone tell me the secret to corners. I'll keep it under my hat, promise.
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Sonichris
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Posted on Mar 25 2016 06:31 PM
JObeast wrote:
OK, so here is my little OCD Wallwart encompasser:
I don't think it will electrocute me...
eddiekatcher wrote:
Several of the ideas that I added to it are: I installed a dual AC outlet on the back of the cabinet. The electrical connections are fully shielded with the steel outlet box and the stainless cover. The unit is wired such that I can plug in both the SBR 12v (Hosa) power supply and my 9v power supply and they are turned on and off by the switch on the control panel. I used a double pole single throw switch to control the outlet and the 120v AC pilot light. I used a 12' AC cord to make it easy to reach a power source on stage.
Between these 2, I think I have a really cool idea for my 3rd build. Great job on both!
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Sonichris
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Posted on Mar 25 2016 06:35 PM
Corey_Y wrote:
Psssttt...someone tell me the secret to corners. I'll keep it under my hat, promise.
It's more a technique than a secret.
Here's a thread I did to try to show how to do it. I should have used more pictures. Note Rough tolex is MUCH MUCH easier to use than the smooth stuff in the demo.
https://surfguitar101.com/forums/topic/16565/?page=1#p217504
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Sonichris
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Posted on Mar 25 2016 06:41 PM
eddiekatcher wrote:
I think those damn corners are an art form. Not sure I do them "right" but they do come out pretty good. And then there is the great equalizer.......
super glue.
ed
I've seen cabinets done by professionals, and I think Eddie K's tolex skills are as good as theirs. I've found that when doing corners, it helps that the contact adhesive is really really dry. It sticks better, and doesn't pull apart on it's own.
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Corey_Y
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Poland, Ohio
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Posted on Mar 25 2016 06:41 PM
Helpful info Chris, thanks man. I'll have to have a good sit and think about whether or not I want to try laying tolex on something I want to keep for my first try. I might need to build something else small and practice on it first.
My chassis and guts are coming back to me on Monday, so I'll at least be able to make some progress getting everything roughly assembled and tested.
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Sonichris
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Posted on Mar 25 2016 06:51 PM
You can always peel it off and try again.
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eddiekatcher
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Atlanta, GA
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Posted on Mar 25 2016 10:00 PM
I've not seen those pix. The idea of pinching the corners may well beat my doing two diagonal overlapping cuts with a single edge razor blade to get that edge seam. I use pinching the corners together on the back plate panels. Then I cut them with a good pair of scissors forcing the edges together tight. I also have a long wooden wedge with rounded corners that I use to force the Tolex into tight places. I then use the blunt end to hammer the seams together. That works surprisingly well. 10-4 on letting the adhesive dry. And use the real thing.
Here are a couple of pix of my special "Tolexing tools." The wood right angle is used to trim the side pieces offs at the same preset point on every panel. An indexing straight edge so to speak.
Reverbs,
ed
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Badger
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Wisconsin
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Posted on Mar 26 2016 07:18 AM
Nice to see the practice of making one's own tool or jig continued & passed on.
Love that cabinet & the elegant voltage delivery solution.
— Wes
SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel
DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices.
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Sonichris
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Posted on Mar 26 2016 10:03 AM
I have similar tools Eddie - a bike tire lever for tight spaces and inside corners. My blue ruler lines up perfectly to cut off the excess - I just need to line it up for each one with another block, but the same idea. I like yours better - I may have to construct one.
I saw the pinched corners trick on a youtube video of a guy recovering a Hammond cabinet.
I've tried 3 kinds of tolex glue. I bought the "real" thing from Mojotone, and I've tried Dap Weldwood contact adhesive, both the normal, and water based. I actually prefer the water based Weldwood over the other two. I can buy it everywhere, and it isn't smelly, and I think it works better than the stinky stuff in the long run. I bought a case of cheap chip brushes at harbor frieght for like $8 (each brush ends up costing less than .25$) and I use a new brush each time. Oh, and I cut out the material with a drywall straightedge, that way everything is square a true to start with -
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eddiekatcher
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Atlanta, GA
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Posted on Mar 26 2016 12:02 PM
I've tried all kinds of glues over the years as well. Original contact cement, non-stinky water based contact cement, auto vinyl top adhesive, "the correct stuff" (some awful white goo) in an unmarked surprise can from Larry Rogers in Florida, but my fave in Number 90 3M high strength spray adhesive. It is blazing fast to work with but you have be careful with the over spray. Maybe not quite as great with the corners but that's nothing that can be tweaked in about one minute with super glue.
Like you say though, spend just a bit more time to be sure the adhesive is dry as it doesn't adhere nearly as well when were and it has a tendency to off gas under the Tolex.
I think I read somewhere that the manufacturers us a hot application product. When we were building PA cabinets we shot them with Dupont Polane T. It was a catalized industrial coating that we spayed on as normal, then as that got tacky, we would back off the air and the spray gun would spray out small chunks of paint that became the texture. Quite fun to apply and covers almost all the crappy woodwork, but it is dangerous to use requiring masks and the right environment. I've given some thought to truck bed coatings.
ed
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wfoguy
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Posted on Mar 28 2016 06:43 PM
This post isn't meant to be the definitive answer but rather a general answer to all who question whether this is right for them to try. The link I have provided is a quick overview of the process. I'm going to list components and prices and then a few statements that aren't covered by the video. First: Surfy Bear kit, $62 ( all prices USD), Amplified parts order:
P-RMOD-4AB3C1B horizontal mount tank, $18.50, 3 P-K314-1-A knobs $4.95, S-H273 cable $3.50, p-H261-set Fender handle if desired $6.75, shipping for order $12.00, 12v power adapter from Amazon or ebay $10 plus shipping, Low temp solder for electronics, I used RadioShack .032 diameter 60/40 rosin core solder around $8 a roll. Carling 15 amp toggle switch $7, pilot lamp of your choice $5, total: $142.70
The enclosure can be almost anything as you have seen in this thread. This time I used a free dead power supply from a computer. Tools needed: pencil tip soldering iron, vom meter, wire crimpers, needle nose pliers, diagaonal nose pliers, drill and some bits, a few screwdrivers, measuring tools. Make sure you understand soldering before attempting this. When installing the jacks for the tank cables and guitar inputs, make sure they don't short out between the insulators provided on them. Decide if you only want 12 volts inside the enclosure. You can do this by using the 12v. receptacle on the enclosure and only plugging the 12v adapter to it. Be careful of your sequence of operations so all parts can be assembled after they are soldered together. The 12 volt receptacle is one that needs attention because of where the nut is. Layout and measuring before doing anything else is very important. Once again, this isn't comprehensive, just an overview.
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eddiekatcher
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Atlanta, GA
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Posted on Mar 28 2016 10:40 PM
Hey WFO,
Well done mini tutorial.
Is that a go kart in your pix?
ed
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wfoguy
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Posted on Mar 29 2016 11:59 AM
Thank you, Eddie. I believe what you are referring to is my 1968 Taco model 44 mini bike but I have done go karts before and have one to build from scratch later this year. If it has wheels and engines, I've been involved with it.
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eddiekatcher
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Atlanta, GA
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Posted on Mar 29 2016 01:05 PM
I noticed the small wheels and thought "hmmmmm."
I restore vintage '60s go karts. Mostly interested in those that were built in the south, Putt-Nik, Simplex, Hamilton.
ed
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Corey_Y
Joined: Dec 30, 2015
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Poland, Ohio
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Posted on Mar 30 2016 08:03 PM
I got my FET Reverb circuit board back from getting wired up. Got it all hooked up, not in a box yet, and it sounds great! I am really impressed and satisfied. Now I've got to hurry up, get it mounted in the box I made and finish it all up.
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eddiekatcher
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Atlanta, GA
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Posted on Mar 31 2016 09:10 AM
Isn't it just as amazing as hell?
The no-brainer of surfdom.
Can't wait to check out your masterpiece.
ed
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CrazyAces
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Nashville, TN.
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Posted on Mar 31 2016 09:26 AM
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