Jaguar players: how do you approach the third verse of "Penetration"?

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Jaguar players: how do you approach the third verse of "Penetration"?

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SpaceTimC Joined: Apr 18, 2015 Posts: 189 Bay Area, CA	Posted on Apr 28 2015 10:07 PM I've learned my first-ever surf song: "Penetration"! But, the third verse begins on the 22nd fret - - and of course the Jag has only 21 frets. As I learned the song, I just played that third verse as the first verse. Anybody have a different approach to this part? Thanks! — The Reverbivores - we're local favorites! Top
bigtikidude Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 25530 Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.	Posted on Apr 28 2015 10:12 PM The song was recorded in F sharp, Playing the E, and F sharp notes on the low E string But then the recording was sped up, So play everything down a half step, and the high note will be on the 21st fret. — Jeff(bigtikidude) Top
IvanP Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 10331 southern Michigan	Posted on Apr 28 2015 10:16 PM Erm... Jaguars have 22 frets. So, you actually CAN play that high note on a Jaguar - but not on a Strat (which was the lead instrument on the original track) or a Jazzmaster. — Ivan Lords of Atlantis on Facebook The Madeira Official Website The Madeira on Facebook The Blair-Pongracic Band on Facebook The Space Cossacks on Facebook The Madeira Channel on YouTube Top
bigtikidude Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 25530 Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.	Posted on Apr 28 2015 10:19 PM Well, shows what I know about guitars n frets, But the story of the recording being sped up is true. Play it in Fsharp everybody, Your rhythm n bass player will love you. — Jeff(bigtikidude) Top
SpaceTimC Joined: Apr 18, 2015 Posts: 189 Bay Area, CA	Posted on Apr 28 2015 10:23 PM Well, that's embarrassing - I miscounted as I was working through the tab. Two words: poor math skills. — The Reverbivores - we're local favorites! Top
IvanP Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 10331 southern Michigan	Posted on Apr 28 2015 10:23 PM Yes, Jeff, you're absolutely right. The song was written and recorded in F#, and played on a Strat, so the highest note played was actually a C# in the original, not D. — Ivan Lords of Atlantis on Facebook The Madeira Official Website The Madeira on Facebook The Blair-Pongracic Band on Facebook The Space Cossacks on Facebook The Madeira Channel on YouTube Top
IvanP Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 10331 southern Michigan	Posted on Apr 28 2015 10:24 PM SpaceTimC wrote: Well, that's embarrassing - I miscounted as I was working through the tab. Two words: poor math skills. It happens, no worries. But the good news is that you can play now that high note! Have fun! — Ivan Lords of Atlantis on Facebook The Madeira Official Website The Madeira on Facebook The Blair-Pongracic Band on Facebook The Space Cossacks on Facebook The Madeira Channel on YouTube Top
BillyBlastOff Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 1070 Ventura County, Calif.	Posted on Apr 28 2015 10:26 PM It's actually F#m, but we used to be play it in Gm like this dude for years. Now we play it in F#m again just for jokes and giggles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c-zr4s0ENo — Be careful following the masses. Sometimes the "M" is silent........................... Top
DannySnyder Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11045 Berkeley, CA	Posted on Apr 28 2015 10:31 PM Meanwhile, the Ventures played it in A - go figure. — Danny Snyder "With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF Top
BillyBlastOff Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 1070 Ventura County, Calif.	Posted on Apr 28 2015 10:34 PM DannySnyder wrote: Meanwhile, the Ventures played it in A - go figure. Those traitors!!!!!!!!!! — Be careful following the masses. Sometimes the "M" is silent........................... Top
simoncoil Joined: Sep 28, 2012 Posts: 910 Berlin, Germany	Posted on Apr 29 2015 01:23 AM To quote the great Tom Morello: "If you wanna rock hard, go for F#." — Los Apollos - cinematic surf music trio (Berlin) "Postcards from the Scrapyard" Vol. 1, 2 & 3 NOW available on various platforms! "Chaos at the Lobster Lounge" available as LP and download on Surf Cookie Records! Top
djangodeadman Joined: Jan 25, 2007 Posts: 1566 Brighton UK	Posted on Apr 29 2015 03:03 AM DannySnyder wrote: Meanwhile, the Ventures played it in A - go figure. That's because The Ventures are NOT a surf band. Ducks and takes cover... — Los Fantasticos Top
JohnnyMosrite Joined: Jun 14, 2006 Posts: 889 New York City area	Posted on Apr 29 2015 08:02 AM I'm rather sure the Ventures evolved from the Am key to Gm. I have books from Japan with both keys - but mostly in Gm. So I learned the tune in Gm. Then I heard the lore of the speed up from F#m on the Pyramids' version. So, F#m, Gm ?? - easy enough fix. I just play it in both keys. Not too hard - just modulate up to Gm from F#m at the start of a new verse or do a turnaround to Gm when you hit the F#(m) at the chorus' end. Luckily, Mosrites come standard with 22 frets so that high 'D' in Gm is doable if you want it. Boys and girls - Don't try this at home on a 21 fret Strat or Jazzmaster. J Mo' Top
el_camello Joined: Jul 04, 2010 Posts: 369 Ottawa	Posted on Apr 29 2015 08:22 AM Hrm, playing it in F# instead of G makes way more sense for the rhythm guitar part. `From D---0---0- A--------- E-3---1--- To A---4---4- E-2---0---` Makes sense? — -Pierre The Obsidians! (Ottawa surf) The Obsidians debut EP Last edited: Apr 29, 2015 08:22:53 Top
SanchoPansen Joined: Jan 04, 2011 Posts: 1588 Berlin L-Berg	Posted on May 01 2015 03:09 AM Yep, I play the rhythm part in our band and it - to my ears - sounds better/more organic in F#m and it simply 'rolls' more easily. The middle part makes a lot more sense, too (IMO). B - A - G - A - B - A - G - F#m vs. C - A# - G# - A# - C - A# - G# - Gm I think our next album is called Bagabag... — The Hicadoolas Last edited: May 01, 2015 04:09:24 Top
HallmarkSweptWinger Joined: Jul 27, 2006 Posts: 1284 Berlinesia, Germanifornia	Posted on May 01 2015 03:57 AM SanchoPansen wrote: I think our next album is called Bagabag... Haha!!! Our next one is called CA#A#A#CA#G#Gm maybe. — Twang cheers! Ralf Kilauea www.kilaueas.de https://kilaueas.bandcamp.com/album/touch-my-alien Top
Duceditor Joined: Mar 09, 2014 Posts: 83 The Monadnocks, NH	Posted on May 01 2015 06:07 PM JohnnyMosrite wrote: Mosrites come standard with 22 frets so that high 'D' in Gm is doable if you want it. Boys and girls - Don't try this at home on a 21 fret Strat or Jazzmaster. J Mo' I prefer playing it on the Jag with the 22nd fret, but also play it on the Jazzmaster by playing on the fingerboard extension w/o the fret. The pitch is okay, and I play the entire phrase 'plucky' -- just as if it were a fretless viola --and let the reverb substitute for actual sustain. The sound is a bit different than the record, but that is not as issue for me. Musically it works and to me that is all that matters. -don — Still rockin' after all these years! Top
JohnnyMosrite Joined: Jun 14, 2006 Posts: 889 New York City area	Posted on May 01 2015 06:50 PM Duceditor, I've been in a position where I did the arrangement I previously mentioned (playing in both F#M and Gm) on a 21 fret Telecaster. (the dive I was in was no place for a class act guitar like a Mosrite) The high 'D' was OK with a harmonic or a muted note. It's just nothing I'd make a habit out of. I can see your point on the Jaguar, but I've never owned one. I've tried a few Jags- but I just didn't like the plinkie short scale and the knob and control overload. It just complicates a cup of coffee in my opinion. But that's just me.. J Mo' Top
SpaceTimC Joined: Apr 18, 2015 Posts: 189 Bay Area, CA	Posted on May 01 2015 07:49 PM Wow! I'm amazed to see all the responses to a thread by an idiot who couldn't count to 22! — The Reverbivores - we're local favorites! Top
SixStringSurfer Joined: Sep 23, 2014 Posts: 1399 Memphis, TN	Posted on May 01 2015 07:52 PM IvanP wrote: Erm... Jaguars have 22 frets. So, you actually CAN play that high note on a Jaguar - but not on a Strat (which was the lead instrument on the original track) or a Jazzmaster. Why can't we play it on a Strat? My Strat has 22 frets. For the record, I play it the way Bruce from YouTube plays it. Which key is that? BTW, does he post on this forum? — MooreLoud.com - A tribute to Dick Dale. New Singles "Finish Line" and "Paradiso" on Bandcamp and website. Top

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