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--- In , "captainspringfield"
<captainspringfield@y...> wrote:
>
> > I think they are all great examples of older musicians who
> > in many case struggled and fought tooth and nail to
> > preserve their "raw" spirit and simple style well into
> > their golden years. My conclusion? Musical lameness is not
> > alway synonymous with "old age".
>
> No argument here--even though Dick may hate the surf tag (or not,
> I've lost track--does he still or did he ever actually forbid his
> drummers from playing the surf beat?), I'd say without hesitiation
> there's a definite committment present in their careers.
I've seen Dick Dale perform live several times during the last 10
years and I would say that he doesn't like surf music at all...
Klas / The Surfites
Whether Dick or any of us label the Dick Dale sound of today as "surf" or not,
it's definitely some intense instro guitar through a reverb tank and Dual
Showman.
-Marty
I've seen Dick Dale perform live several times during the last 10
years and I would say that he doesn't like surf music at all...
Klas / The Surfites
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I hung out with and interviewed DD for several hours once, and while he didn't
disavow
surf music, he made it clear that: A) he was a surfer back in the day 2) he
created his own
sound, which SoCal garage bands copied but which had no influences other than
Gene
Kruppa and the sound of the ocean 3) anyone who did not use exactly the same
gear and
technique was not playing "Dick Dale" music.
My conclusion: DD wants to play both sides of the fence, in that he likes being
the King of
Surf Guitar, but that other than himself, nobody else plays true "Dick Dale"
music.
I wonder what happens when you put him in a room with Shigeo of the Surf
Coasters, who
arguably plays "Dick Dale" music better than Dick himself, and who uses a Yamaha
samurai guitar!
P.S. It doesn't bother me that the DD sound is heavier and more distorted than
in the early
days. His playing and sound have evolved, and that's fine with me. I still dig
his playing,
but wish he'd check his ego and acknowledge how his legacy (along with a few
other great
early surf bands and instrumental musicians) has influenced a whole genre of
music.
Gavin
P.S. DP is correct, I am just an aging punk rocker.
--- In , "Marty Tippens" <mctippens@e...> wrote:
> Whether Dick or any of us label the Dick Dale sound of today as "surf" or not,
it's
definitely some intense instro guitar through a reverb tank and Dual Showman.
>
> -Marty
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> I've seen Dick Dale perform live several times during the last 10
> years and I would say that he doesn't like surf music at all...
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Yeah, intense heavy metal guitar...
Here are some "highlights" from the shows I've seen:
# A big part of the set consists of boring covers like for
example "House Of The Rising Sun"
# Another big part of the set consists of his own more recent "heavy
metal" songs
# Plays very few of his own 60's instros and when he do it's often
short versions put together in a medley
# Uncool guitar tone because of too much sustain which makes it sound
more like heavy metal than surf
# Many songs are over 5 minutes in length
# Heavy metal sounding backing band
Does this sound familiar? Or maybe he's only like that while playing
in Europe...?
And yes, I don't like heavy metal ;-)
/ Klas
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> Whether Dick or any of us label the Dick Dale sound of today
as "surf" or not, it's definitely some intense instro guitar through
a reverb tank and Dual Showman.
>
> -Marty
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> I've seen Dick Dale perform live several times during the last 10
> years and I would say that he doesn't like surf music at all...
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Now that's way overstating it, Klas. Sure, Dick's sound has a bit of natural
overdrive but he's not getting distortion anywhere near to Black Sabbath levels.
And just 'cause the back up band is energetic doesn't mean they're heavy metal.
I never considered Moon and Entwistle, for instance, a heavy metal rhythm
section.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Klas Fjellgren
To:
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 11:36 AM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Dick Dale may hate the surf tag
Yeah, intense heavy metal guitar...
Here are some "highlights" from the shows I've seen:
# A big part of the set consists of boring covers like for
example "House Of The Rising Sun"
# Another big part of the set consists of his own more recent "heavy
metal" songs
# Plays very few of his own 60's instros and when he do it's often
short versions put together in a medley
# Uncool guitar tone because of too much sustain which makes it sound
more like heavy metal than surf
# Many songs are over 5 minutes in length
# Heavy metal sounding backing band
Does this sound familiar? Or maybe he's only like that while playing
in Europe...?
And yes, I don't like heavy metal ;-)
/ Klas
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> Whether Dick or any of us label the Dick Dale sound of today
as "surf" or not, it's definitely some intense instro guitar through
a reverb tank and Dual Showman.
>
> -Marty
>
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> I've seen Dick Dale perform live several times during the last 10
> years and I would say that he doesn't like surf music at all...
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Klas Fjellgren wrote:
[talking about Dick Dale]
>Here are some "highlights" from the shows I've seen:
>
># A big part of the set consists of boring covers like for
>example "House Of The Rising Sun"
>
>
Agreed....zzzzzzzzzz
># Another big part of the set consists of his own more recent "heavy
>metal" songs
>
>
Agreed, but witnessing the sheer power of him and his band is kind of
cool, at least once or twice.
># Plays very few of his own 60's instros and when he do it's often
>short versions put together in a medley
>
>
Yes, yes, yes....! I was so upset he played only snippets and medleys of
his surfy past.
># Uncool guitar tone because of too much sustain which makes it sound
>more like heavy metal than surf
>
>
I strongly disagree here. I've only seen him once, but I thought he had
the tone and power of Thor. It was quite impressive.
># Many songs are over 5 minutes in length
>
>
This doesn't matter to me.
># Heavy metal sounding backing band
>
>
Nah...Dusty and Sam may be "told" how to play by Dick, but they
definitely didn't sound like Iron Maiden....
>Does this sound familiar? Or maybe he's only like that while playing
>in Europe...?
>
>And yes, I don't like heavy metal ;-)
>
>/ Klas
>
>
BN (who has been known to like Heavy Metal....)
Brian, nice to see that you agreed on some of my points. I wonder
what Marty thinks about DDs setlist? ;-D
As for the 5 minute+ songs, I really do think its matter as those
songs were often the worst (i.e. the lame covers and his blues rock
jams) which made it even more unbearable. I also believe the ideal
lenght of a surf tune is around 2 minutes :-)
As for DDs backing guys, I didn't say they sounded like Iron Maiden
but they did sound more heavy metal than surf...
Klas / The Surfites
--- In , Brian Neal <brian@s...> wrote:
> Klas Fjellgren wrote:
>
> [talking about Dick Dale]
>
> >Here are some "highlights" from the shows I've seen:
> >
> ># A big part of the set consists of boring covers like for
> >example "House Of The Rising Sun"
> >
> >
> Agreed....zzzzzzzzzz
>
> ># Another big part of the set consists of his own more
recent "heavy
> >metal" songs
> >
> >
> Agreed, but witnessing the sheer power of him and his band is kind
of
> cool, at least once or twice.
>
> ># Plays very few of his own 60's instros and when he do it's often
> >short versions put together in a medley
> >
> >
> Yes, yes, yes....! I was so upset he played only snippets and
medleys of
> his surfy past.
>
> ># Uncool guitar tone because of too much sustain which makes it
sound
> >more like heavy metal than surf
> >
> >
> I strongly disagree here. I've only seen him once, but I thought he
had
> the tone and power of Thor. It was quite impressive.
>
> ># Many songs are over 5 minutes in length
> >
> >
> This doesn't matter to me.
>
> ># Heavy metal sounding backing band
> >
> >
> Nah...Dusty and Sam may be "told" how to play by Dick, but they
> definitely didn't sound like Iron Maiden....
>
> >Does this sound familiar? Or maybe he's only like that while
playing
> >in Europe...?
> >
> >And yes, I don't like heavy metal ;-)
> >
> >/ Klas
> >
> >
> BN (who has been known to like Heavy Metal....)
I like the DD set list including the vocals. I don't consider any of his songs
to be heavy metal.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Klas Fjellgren
To:
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 5:05 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Dick Dale may hate the surf tag
Brian, nice to see that you agreed on some of my points. I wonder
what Marty thinks about DDs setlist? ;-D
As for the 5 minute+ songs, I really do think its matter as those
songs were often the worst (i.e. the lame covers and his blues rock
jams) which made it even more unbearable. I also believe the ideal
lenght of a surf tune is around 2 minutes :-)
As for DDs backing guys, I didn't say they sounded like Iron Maiden
but they did sound more heavy metal than surf...
Klas / The Surfites
--- In , Brian Neal <brian@s...> wrote:
> Klas Fjellgren wrote:
>
> [talking about Dick Dale]
>
> >Here are some "highlights" from the shows I've seen:
> >
> ># A big part of the set consists of boring covers like for
> >example "House Of The Rising Sun"
> >
> >
> Agreed....zzzzzzzzzz
>
> ># Another big part of the set consists of his own more
recent "heavy
> >metal" songs
> >
> >
> Agreed, but witnessing the sheer power of him and his band is kind
of
> cool, at least once or twice.
>
> ># Plays very few of his own 60's instros and when he do it's often
> >short versions put together in a medley
> >
> >
> Yes, yes, yes....! I was so upset he played only snippets and
medleys of
> his surfy past.
>
> ># Uncool guitar tone because of too much sustain which makes it
sound
> >more like heavy metal than surf
> >
> >
> I strongly disagree here. I've only seen him once, but I thought he
had
> the tone and power of Thor. It was quite impressive.
>
> ># Many songs are over 5 minutes in length
> >
> >
> This doesn't matter to me.
>
> ># Heavy metal sounding backing band
> >
> >
> Nah...Dusty and Sam may be "told" how to play by Dick, but they
> definitely didn't sound like Iron Maiden....
>
> >Does this sound familiar? Or maybe he's only like that while
playing
> >in Europe...?
> >
> >And yes, I don't like heavy metal ;-)
> >
> >/ Klas
> >
> >
> BN (who has been known to like Heavy Metal....)
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Here's my take on seeing Dick Dale Live. I agree with Klas and
Brian on many points, and if I had my choice of seeing the new D.D.
or D.D. circa 1962, I'd rather see 1962 D.D. BUT... since that
aint gonna happen unless I get that time machine from Napoleon
Dynamite working, I'll be happy seeing the newer version. I go and
see him every year (since '94 - 10 years now) just for the few
moments when you can hear what it used to be like. I'd rather hear
him play Miserlou like the record, but I'll take it in a medley with
Surf Beat and Let's go Trippin'. The man has some serious power
when he plays, and to see it in person is still a thrill, even
after all these years. He's still a carismatic performer, and
still commands the audiences attention at all times. Last year, he
stripped his set down to less vocals, more older instro stuff, and
it was really great. Almost two hours of the closest thing to the
1962 D.D. I've ever seen.
We all give him a hard time because he talks a big game, but I
think it takes a personality like that to do some of the things he
did. He was the first with that tone, and to play like that way in
the early sixties had to take someone with that type of personality
to say to hell with what people think, I'm doing it my way.
Chris
P.S. - I LIKE the way he and SRV did Pipeline - it was new and fresh
when it came out, I thought.
kahunatikiman wrote:
> We all give him a hard time because he talks a big game, but I
>think it takes a personality like that to do some of the things he
>did. He was the first with that tone, and to play like that way in
>the early sixties had to take someone with that type of personality
>to say to hell with what people think, I'm doing it my way.
>
> Chris
>
>
Exactly Chris, well put. He is kind of an eccentric guy and an easy
target for some, but we would all miss him if he was not here. Also, you
can't take away what he did back in the day....
I would like to hear him play more structured material with a rhythm
guitarist...Can you imagine, say The Victor, in this kind of situation?
I think it would be devastating.
BN
> I would like to hear him play more structured material with a
rhythm
> guitarist...Can you imagine, say The Victor, in this kind of
situation?
> I think it would be devastating.
>
> BN
oh, Yeah!! I think he could start a whole new surf wave if he
returned to older structured style of playing. Imagine Dick Dale
with Brian Setzers horns, and a good two guitar rhythm section.
awesome! I think it would be amazing to hear real live versions of
his band in the early sixties. I see pics of all the players he
had, and think his "new" sound has to be missing something. It had
to be quite an experience hearing all those instruments play those
powerful songs. I listen to new versions by him of old songs, and
think they aren't quite as good as the originals. One of my
favorite D.D. songs is the original version of "The Wedge" called "A
Run for Life" there are so many cool thinks going on on that song.
The haunting vocal backing, the cool horns, the
accoustic "Shadows" rhythm guitar. It might be my favorite all
time surf song!
I think one instrument that is overlooked on some of those early
surf records is the trumpet. I sax is cool, but a full horn
section is REALLY cool! Alto and baritone (?) sax, and a trumpet.
awesome!
Chris
kahunatikiman wrote:
>One of my
>favorite D.D. songs is the original version of "The Wedge" called "A
>Run for Life" there are so many cool thinks going on on that song.
>The haunting vocal backing, the cool horns, the
>accoustic "Shadows" rhythm guitar. It might be my favorite all
>time surf song!
>
>
Oddly enough, I was looking for that Rhino Records "Legends of Guitar:
Surf" CD the other day that featured that song. That is really hard to
find, and in fact, it is selling for over $30 (one place had it for
$99!!!!) on Ebay/Half.com/Amazon. Incredible. What's up with that?
If you have Real Player, you can listen to a clip of that song as well
as read a cool article on surfing/surfboards at NPR:
Look over on the left for the Dick Dale clip.
So where is the next best place to get that song? The DD Better Shred
Than Dead Anthology?
BN
> Oddly enough, I was looking for that Rhino Records "Legends of
Guitar:
> Surf" CD the other day that featured that song. That is really
hard to
> find, and in fact, it is selling for over $30 (one place had it
for
> $99!!!!) on Ebay/Half.com/Amazon. Incredible. What's up with that?
>
> If you have Real Player, you can listen to a clip of that song as
well
> as read a cool article on surfing/surfboards at NPR:
>
>
>
> Look over on the left for the Dick Dale clip.
>
> So where is the next best place to get that song? The DD Better
Shred
> Than Dead Anthology?
>
> BN
yes, it's on the Better Shred than Dead anthology. It's cool
to know I bought that Rhino compilation disc for $5 in the bargain
bin at the local big chain store. I think quentin tarintino used
that disc as the inspiration for the Pulp soundtrack. it has a ton
of great early surf songs, and it's liner notes booklet is one of
my favorites.
Chris
Chris
> As for the 5 minute+ songs, I really do think its matter as those
> songs were often the worst (i.e. the lame covers and his blues
rock
> jams) which made it even more unbearable. I also believe the ideal
> lenght of a surf tune is around 2 minutes :-)
Amen brother! The one thing that turns me off a little from some of
the Boss Martians stuff I've been listening to is that it's just too
long! If you like short songs you're going to dig our new album.
We've got one on there 1:43. Although I think the album moves to
quickly.
Yes, I also love that original version of A Run For Life (aka The Wedge) with
it's funny piano in the rhythm. I think we have John Blair to thank for putting
that comp together.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Neal
To:
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Dick Dale may hate the surf tag
kahunatikiman wrote:
>One of my
>favorite D.D. songs is the original version of "The Wedge" called "A
>Run for Life" there are so many cool thinks going on on that song.
>The haunting vocal backing, the cool horns, the
>accoustic "Shadows" rhythm guitar. It might be my favorite all
>time surf song!
>
>
Oddly enough, I was looking for that Rhino Records "Legends of Guitar:
Surf" CD the other day that featured that song. That is really hard to
find, and in fact, it is selling for over $30 (one place had it for
$99!!!!) on Ebay/Half.com/Amazon. Incredible. What's up with that?
If you have Real Player, you can listen to a clip of that song as well
as read a cool article on surfing/surfboards at NPR:
Look over on the left for the Dick Dale clip.
So where is the next best place to get that song? The DD Better Shred
Than Dead Anthology?
BN
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Gavin:
I concur wholeheartedly with your impressions of DD in
person. I'd like to offer a few of my own.
I went out to his SkyRanch in Yucca Valley CA a couple
years ago, I live near there in Apple Valley CA...you know
out in the Mojave Desert. I wrote Dick Dale an email, and
mentioned that I teach Photoshop...and he invited me out
for some lessons and to attend his son's Little League BBQ
celebration at the Ranch...it was a cool afternoon/evening,
and later on I gave old DD some pointers re: Photoshop and
digital photography in general. That dude has all the toys:
killer Apple Machine with dual Cinema displays, Xerox Color
printer, killer Cannon Digital camera...he has a pretty
good eye for photography and takes all kinds of family,
scenery, sunsets...plus he's working on scanning and
restoring tons of older family photos and memorabelia ..
(aside: poor old DD didn't know what "layers" were in
Photoshop...so he had these huge HUGE MEGA GIGA photo files
he was working on with like 300 layers each...I set him
straight though, and showed him how to use some of his
Photoshop tools...if you know Photoshop, this is stuff you
learn in "Lesson 1: Layers")
...at home, old DD is the coolest most gracious person
you'd ever want to know...nothing at all like his "public
persona". Totally gool, like your super cool grandpa or
Uncle Dick.
One thing I did notice from a teacher's viewpoint: old DD
definately seems to show some of the signs of Attention
Deficit Disorder...the guy is totally 100% in the "now" and
jumps straight from one activity to the next with no
seemingly logical connection...his attention span seems to
be jumpin' all over the place...but, I must say, when that
dude is focused (like on his Photoshop or his music) it's
like unbreakable lazer vision! If Dick Dale were my Dad,
I'd hate to get his "evil eye", if you know what I
mean...when he looks at you, his gaze can cut steel.
Classic ADD, I wonder if he ever tried Ritalin? No way!
Old DD is totally straight edge vegetarian eversince the
colon cancer episode. Scared the sh*t out of him, I'd say.
One funny thing old DD said before I left was that his
newest (Spatial Disorientation) was the best thing that he
ever (EVER!?!) recorded, and really was the only time in
his opinion that he was truly "captured correctly" in the
studio. All the previous stuff he ever did, he dismissed
it ALL with the comment "It's all crap...it's not really
me...just someone else's idea...not mine"...amazing!
So like I said, I'm sure that old DD is totally into this
moment right NOW...and his public persona is simply an
overly-amplified version of his belief and philosophy that
RIGHT NOW when he's totally looking at you in the eyteball
THAT'S the best Dick Dale you will ever see...
so there you go...my "Zen-Dave" take on DD
DP
PS: I knew it...punker... Hee heee..
--- Gavin Ehringer <> wrote:
>
>
> I hung out with and interviewed DD for several hours
> once, and while he didn't disavow
> surf music, he made it clear that: A) he was a surfer
> back in the day 2) he created his own
> sound, which SoCal garage bands copied but which had no
> influences other than Gene
> Kruppa and the sound of the ocean 3) anyone who did not
> use exactly the same gear and
> technique was not playing "Dick Dale" music.
>
> My conclusion: DD wants to play both sides of the fence,
> in that he likes being the King of
> Surf Guitar, but that other than himself, nobody else
> plays true "Dick Dale" music.
>
> I wonder what happens when you put him in a room with
> Shigeo of the Surf Coasters, who
> arguably plays "Dick Dale" music better than Dick
> himself, and who uses a Yamaha
> samurai guitar!
>
> P.S. It doesn't bother me that the DD sound is heavier
> and more distorted than in the early
> days. His playing and sound have evolved, and that's fine
> with me. I still dig his playing,
> but wish he'd check his ego and acknowledge how his
> legacy (along with a few other great
> early surf bands and instrumental musicians) has
> influenced a whole genre of music.
>
> Gavin
>
> P.S. DP is correct, I am just an aging punk rocker.
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Chris:
I think the things that blow me away about Dick Dale's live
shows are:
1, the dude's 68 years old and tears it up like a 25 year
old...he gets out in the crowd and does his
crazy-solo-wireless-cruise-bit through the audience...it's
almost hypnotic sometimes!
2. His volume level is INTENSE...and to think he really did
"invent" freakin'-loud-ass electric rock way back in the
Rendevous days...
3. Although I didn't much care for "Captain Ron" (I'm a
bassist and a bass snob, so there's no way I could like a
guy who plays bass like a tool or a job)...I think Dusty
watson is freakin' amazing...I 'm thinking about building a
personal worship shine dedicated to the magnificence of all
things Dusty...he and Dick work together like hand and
glove...
4. after the show, old Dick Dale is super gracious and will
even sign your Grandma's Ass with his Sharpie if you ask.
The way he comes out and signs everything in sight, and
says "hi" to every single person waiting there, and looks
into their eyes, and shakes their hands and even remembers
their names...to think of the literally millions of people
who have had the one-on-one Dick Dale signature treatment
over the last 45 years...it's mind boggling.
5. Dick Dale at a So Cal show is an absolute
institution...at So Cal shows there is often 3 generations
of fans all the way from way old Grandmas to little
toddlers...
well...I guess I'll stop there...I guess I can ramble on
about old DD for days...see what happens when you start as
a youngin' playing "Surfer's Choice" on the old turntable
at age 5...you get hooked...
sick, I tell ya'
;) DP
--- kahunatikiman <> wrote:
>
>
>
> Here's my take on seeing Dick Dale Live. I agree with
> Klas and
> Brian on many points, and if I had my choice of seeing
> the new D.D.
> or D.D. circa 1962, I'd rather see 1962 D.D. BUT...
> since that
> aint gonna happen unless I get that time machine from
> Napoleon
> Dynamite working, I'll be happy seeing the newer
> version. I go and
> see him every year (since '94 - 10 years now) just for
> the few
> moments when you can hear what it used to be like. I'd
> rather hear
> him play Miserlou like the record, but I'll take it in a
> medley with
> Surf Beat and Let's go Trippin'. The man has some
> serious power
> when he plays, and to see it in person is still a
> thrill, even
> after all these years. He's still a carismatic
> performer, and
> still commands the audiences attention at all times.
> Last year, he
> stripped his set down to less vocals, more older instro
> stuff, and
> it was really great. Almost two hours of the closest
> thing to the
> 1962 D.D. I've ever seen.
>
> We all give him a hard time because he talks a big
> game, but I
> think it takes a personality like that to do some of the
> things he
> did. He was the first with that tone, and to play like
> that way in
> the early sixties had to take someone with that type of
> personality
> to say to hell with what people think, I'm doing it my
> way.
>
> Chris
>
> P.S. - I LIKE the way he and SRV did Pipeline - it was
> new and fresh
> when it came out, I thought.
>
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"I would like to hear him play more structured material
with a rhythm guitarist...Can you imagine, say The Victor,
in this kind of situation? I think it would be devastating.
BN"
Brian:
I'd like to apply for this position, where do I send my
resume?
DP
PS: Does this position include a cool wireless setup so I
can cruise around the audience wherever Dick tells me to?
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