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Although it was bizarre and non-apropos, I felt the discussion of Hendrix
inspired me to
do some ruminatin' on music, artistry, and the raw emotion rock music sometimes
inspires.
As players, we often confuse technical proficiency with artistry and talent.
Oftentimes,
though, the better player is not the one who moves me. For instance, I remain a
devout fan
of Link Wray and of Dick Dale, although I don't think either is a particularly
proficient
guitarist (particularly Wray). Lately, I've been really listening to a lot of
Nirvana, and
frankly, I don't give a damn that Kurt Cobain's skills were rudimentary. He
wrote inspired
and inspiring music with really great pop hooks and fascinating, if often
cryptic and weird
and confusing, lyrics.
I often find myself going back to the earliest surf recordings for inspiration
in my own
playing because, no insult intended, a lot of the current surf music is a little
too good. The
musicianship is there, but the raw character of the teenage surf bands is part
of the
genre's appeal for me. Sometimes, our modern surf bands play a little too well
for my
taste.
It's difficult to articulate what I am saying here, but I will be curious to see
if it stimulates
some discussion.
Gavin
> I often find myself going back to the earliest surf recordings for
inspiration in my own
> playing because, no insult intended, a lot of the current surf
music is a little too good. The
> musicianship is there, but the raw character of the teenage surf
bands is part of the
> genre's appeal for me. Sometimes, our modern surf bands play a
little too well for my
> taste.
Nicely put, do you think getting older would make one loose
that "raw" feeling in their playing?
"I often find myself going back to the earliest surf recordings for
inspiration in my own playing because, no insult intended, a lot of
the current surf music is a little too good. The musicianship is
there, but the raw character of the teenage surf bands is part of the
genre's appeal for me. Sometimes, our modern surf bands play a little
too well for my taste."
Well said. I often feel that way myself these days. Although I can't
stop listening to the new Hellbenders disc.
supertwang:
I thought I'd chime in on this one: in many cases, as
musicians age they tend to "evolve", but just remember:
The Ramones
The Tornadoes
Neil Young and Crazy Horse
Lightning Hopkins
Link Wray
Mike Watt
and of course, our old pal, Dick Dale
I think they are all great examples of older musicians who
in many case struggled and fought tooth and nail to
preserve their "raw" spirit and simple style well into
their golden years. My conclusion? Musical lameness is not
alway synonymous with "old age".
with much respect, I remain-
DP
--- supertwangreverb <> wrote:
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>
> > I often find myself going back to the earliest surf
> recordings for
> inspiration in my own
> > playing because, no insult intended, a lot of the
> current surf
> music is a little too good. The
> > musicianship is there, but the raw character of the
> teenage surf
> bands is part of the
> > genre's appeal for me. Sometimes, our modern surf bands
> play a
> little too well for my
> > taste.
>
> Nicely put, do you think getting older would make one
> loose
> that "raw" feeling in their playing?
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--- In , DP <noetical1@y...> wrote:
> supertwang:
> I thought I'd chime in on this one: in many cases, as
> musicians age they tend to "evolve", but just remember:
>
> The Ramones
> The Tornadoes
> Neil Young and Crazy Horse
> Lightning Hopkins
> Link Wray
> Mike Watt
> and of course, our old pal, Dick Dale
If I may offer some friendly disagreement, The Ramones did evolve
over time, just not to the extent where they ended up sounding like
Rush or anything. "Questioningly" sounds like a completely different
band than the one that did "Chainsaw" and "Blitzkrieg Bop," and it's
only three albums later.
They started using short leads or the occasional clean or acoustic
guitar, and Dee Dee's lyrics got really personal as time progressed
("Born to Die in Berlin," "Poison Heart," etc.). Granted, the overall
sound/approach wasn't too different at the end, but I'd argue that
AC/DC has changed far less than the Ramones. (I'd say Motorhead as
well, but there's that handful of songs where Lemmy actually tries
singing, not to mention Steve Vai played on their newest album.)
I'd say Watt's evolved as well--his new album has some total stoner-
rock organ playing, and his current band is a three piece with organ
instead of guitar. Plus there's his side project Dos, which is just
two bassists.
Neil's put out some stuff that's far, far removed from his usual
sound (or sounds)--"Trans" is new wave with a ton of vocoders, and
there's also his rockabilly album ... I think he's been committed
more than anything else to making the music he wants to make,
regardless of whether it's country or rock or epic guitar jams or
even new wave or rockabilly.
> I think they are all great examples of older musicians who
> in many case struggled and fought tooth and nail to
> preserve their "raw" spirit and simple style well into
> their golden years. My conclusion? Musical lameness is not
> alway synonymous with "old age".
No argument here--even though Dick may hate the surf tag (or not,
I've lost track--does he still or did he ever actually forbid his
drummers from playing the surf beat?), I'd say without hesitiation
there's a definite committment present in their careers.
Pete Townshend, on the other hand ...
Cheers,
-Warren
--- In , "supertwangreverb"
<supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
>
> > I often find myself going back to the earliest surf recordings
for
> inspiration in my own
> > playing because, no insult intended, a lot of the current surf
> music is a little too good. The
> > musicianship is there, but the raw character of the teenage surf
> bands is part of the
> > genre's appeal for me. Sometimes, our modern surf bands play a
> little too well for my
> > taste.
>
> Nicely put, do you think getting older would make one loose
> that "raw" feeling in their playing?
They don't loose it, they start to dislike it while wanting to sound
like pro studio musicians sporting ponytails playing in
digital "oldies" bands wearing tucked in XXL hawaiian shirts with
motorcycle prints ;-)
Klas / The Surfites
Very true, I guess Link Wray is still pretty crazy in his 70s. But
Dick Dale looks like a moron, he'll never live down "Back to the
Beach" Being 22(23 next week)I'm starting to feel old, atleast
compared to the guys I listen to. Your 21st birthday really is the
last one you look foward to.
So many of those old surf bands have gone weird in their later age.
I guess their are other options than playing surf songs on an Ibanze
with a compressor when I'm 40. Maybe when I'm that old I'll sell
all my gear for Chet Atkins gear.
Bill
--- In , DP <noetical1@y...> wrote:
> supertwang:
> I thought I'd chime in on this one: in many cases, as
> musicians age they tend to "evolve", but just remember:
>
> The Ramones
> The Tornadoes
> Neil Young and Crazy Horse
> Lightning Hopkins
> Link Wray
> Mike Watt
> and of course, our old pal, Dick Dale
>
> I think they are all great examples of older musicians who
> in many case struggled and fought tooth and nail to
> preserve their "raw" spirit and simple style well into
> their golden years. My conclusion? Musical lameness is not
> alway synonymous with "old age".
>
> with much respect, I remain-
>
> DP
>
>
> --- supertwangreverb <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > > I often find myself going back to the earliest surf
> > recordings for
> > inspiration in my own
> > > playing because, no insult intended, a lot of the
> > current surf
> > music is a little too good. The
> > > musicianship is there, but the raw character of the
> > teenage surf
> > bands is part of the
> > > genre's appeal for me. Sometimes, our modern surf bands
> > play a
> > little too well for my
> > > taste.
> >
> > Nicely put, do you think getting older would make one
> > loose
> > that "raw" feeling in their playing?
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Whadya mean Dick won't live down "Back to the Beach"? I haven't associated him
in that movie once since he started recording again and I actually like the
movie. Now this is not to say Dick doesn't have eccentricities, he's got plenty.
But so do a lot of the great rock and rollers including Chuck Berry, Little
Richard, Jerry Lee, you name 'em. I expect those funny personality flaws they
gain in older age. Such flaws do nothing to obstruct their incredible legacies.
-Marty
P.S. I do love my Chet Atkins Gretsch Country Gentlemen, but I didn't sell my
surf gear to get it.
----- Original Message -----
From: supertwangreverb
To:
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 8:24 AM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Hendrix, surf, and the difference between
musicianship, artistry and emotion.
Very true, I guess Link Wray is still pretty crazy in his 70s. But
Dick Dale looks like a moron, he'll never live down "Back to the
Beach" Being 22(23 next week)I'm starting to feel old, atleast
compared to the guys I listen to. Your 21st birthday really is the
last one you look foward to.
So many of those old surf bands have gone weird in their later age.
I guess their are other options than playing surf songs on an Ibanze
with a compressor when I'm 40. Maybe when I'm that old I'll sell
all my gear for Chet Atkins gear.
Bill
--- In , DP <noetical1@y...> wrote:
> supertwang:
> I thought I'd chime in on this one: in many cases, as
> musicians age they tend to "evolve", but just remember:
>
> The Ramones
> The Tornadoes
> Neil Young and Crazy Horse
> Lightning Hopkins
> Link Wray
> Mike Watt
> and of course, our old pal, Dick Dale
>
> I think they are all great examples of older musicians who
> in many case struggled and fought tooth and nail to
> preserve their "raw" spirit and simple style well into
> their golden years. My conclusion? Musical lameness is not
> alway synonymous with "old age".
>
> with much respect, I remain-
>
> DP
>
>
> --- supertwangreverb <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > > I often find myself going back to the earliest surf
> > recordings for
> > inspiration in my own
> > > playing because, no insult intended, a lot of the
> > current surf
> > music is a little too good. The
> > > musicianship is there, but the raw character of the
> > teenage surf
> > bands is part of the
> > > genre's appeal for me. Sometimes, our modern surf bands
> > play a
> > little too well for my
> > > taste.
> >
> > Nicely put, do you think getting older would make one
> > loose
> > that "raw" feeling in their playing?
> >
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supertwang:
Man, and I thought my 31st birthday was when it all started
to look like a one way street straight to nowhere! (I
should be careful here...the big 40 is just around the
corner for me in June...YIPES!)
hey...where's my Ibanez and compressor pedal?
DP
--- supertwangreverb <> wrote:
>
>
> Very true, I guess Link Wray is still pretty crazy in his
> 70s. But
> Dick Dale looks like a moron, he'll never live down "Back
> to the
> Beach" Being 22(23 next week)I'm starting to feel old,
> atleast
> compared to the guys I listen to. Your 21st birthday
> really is the
> last one you look foward to.
>
> So many of those old surf bands have gone weird in their
> later age.
> I guess their are other options than playing surf songs
> on an Ibanze
> with a compressor when I'm 40. Maybe when I'm that old
> I'll sell
> all my gear for Chet Atkins gear.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> --- In , DP <noetical1@y...>
> wrote:
> > supertwang:
> > I thought I'd chime in on this one: in many cases, as
> > musicians age they tend to "evolve", but just remember:
> >
> > The Ramones
> > The Tornadoes
> > Neil Young and Crazy Horse
> > Lightning Hopkins
> > Link Wray
> > Mike Watt
> > and of course, our old pal, Dick Dale
> >
> > I think they are all great examples of older musicians
> who
> > in many case struggled and fought tooth and nail to
> > preserve their "raw" spirit and simple style well into
> > their golden years. My conclusion? Musical lameness is
> not
> > alway synonymous with "old age".
> >
> > with much respect, I remain-
> >
> > DP
> >
> >
> > --- supertwangreverb <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > I often find myself going back to the earliest surf
> > > recordings for
> > > inspiration in my own
> > > > playing because, no insult intended, a lot of the
> > > current surf
> > > music is a little too good. The
> > > > musicianship is there, but the raw character of the
> > > teenage surf
> > > bands is part of the
> > > > genre's appeal for me. Sometimes, our modern surf
> bands
> > > play a
> > > little too well for my
> > > > taste.
> > >
> > > Nicely put, do you think getting older would make one
> > > loose
> > > that "raw" feeling in their playing?
> > >
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Hey...my Uncle let me borrow his Country Gentleman...that
thing has sweet tones...I use it when I play my lounge
version of Hawaii-50...it's great for 1/2 speed lounge
sound...I love it's full bodied tone especially when it
goes through the old reverb and tremolo...no wonder Brian
Setzer is so hooked on Gretsch...
dp
--- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
>
> Whadya mean Dick won't live down "Back to the Beach"? I
> haven't associated him in that movie once since he
> started recording again and I actually like the movie.
> Now this is not to say Dick doesn't have eccentricities,
> he's got plenty. But so do a lot of the great rock and
> rollers including Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee,
> you name 'em. I expect those funny personality flaws they
> gain in older age. Such flaws do nothing to obstruct
> their incredible legacies.
>
> -Marty
> P.S. I do love my Chet Atkins Gretsch Country Gentlemen,
> but I didn't sell my surf gear to get it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: supertwangreverb
> To:
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 8:24 AM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Hendrix, surf, and the
> difference between musicianship, artistry and emotion.
>
>
>
> Very true, I guess Link Wray is still pretty crazy in
> his 70s. But
> Dick Dale looks like a moron, he'll never live down
> "Back to the
> Beach" Being 22(23 next week)I'm starting to feel old,
> atleast
> compared to the guys I listen to. Your 21st birthday
> really is the
> last one you look foward to.
>
> So many of those old surf bands have gone weird in
> their later age.
> I guess their are other options than playing surf songs
> on an Ibanze
> with a compressor when I'm 40. Maybe when I'm that old
> I'll sell
> all my gear for Chet Atkins gear.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> --- In , DP
> <noetical1@y...> wrote:
> > supertwang:
> > I thought I'd chime in on this one: in many cases, as
> > musicians age they tend to "evolve", but just
> remember:
> >
> > The Ramones
> > The Tornadoes
> > Neil Young and Crazy Horse
> > Lightning Hopkins
> > Link Wray
> > Mike Watt
> > and of course, our old pal, Dick Dale
> >
> > I think they are all great examples of older
> musicians who
> > in many case struggled and fought tooth and nail to
> > preserve their "raw" spirit and simple style well
> into
> > their golden years. My conclusion? Musical lameness
> is not
> > alway synonymous with "old age".
> >
> > with much respect, I remain-
> >
> > DP
> >
> >
> > --- supertwangreverb <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > I often find myself going back to the earliest
> surf
> > > recordings for
> > > inspiration in my own
> > > > playing because, no insult intended, a lot of the
> > > current surf
> > > music is a little too good. The
> > > > musicianship is there, but the raw character of
> the
> > > teenage surf
> > > bands is part of the
> > > > genre's appeal for me. Sometimes, our modern surf
> bands
> > > play a
> > > little too well for my
> > > > taste.
> > >
> > > Nicely put, do you think getting older would make
> one
> > > loose
> > > that "raw" feeling in their playing?
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> Whadya mean Dick won't live down "Back to the Beach"? I haven't
associated him in that movie once since he started recording again
and I actually like the movie. Now this is not to say Dick doesn't
have eccentricities, he's got plenty. But so do a lot of the great
rock and rollers including Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee,
you name 'em. I expect those funny personality flaws they gain in
older age. Such flaws do nothing to obstruct their incredible
legacies.
Took a look at the man's hair Marty! Look what he and SRV did to
Pipline!! :)
> -Marty
> P.S. I do love my Chet Atkins Gretsch Country Gentlemen, but I
didn't sell my surf gear to get it.
Ok, so when I get to be an old rich snob I can keep all my gear
huh? :)
Yeah, I know the scene you're talking about, Bill, but I have never recalled it
in the many times I've seen Dick since that movie. Dick puts on such a great
show and always gets a large enthuastic crowd here in So Cal. That's the only
impression of DD that stays with me.
Keep all your gear anyway, rich or not. You've seen the stories of the folks
around here who wish they never sold that ol' Mosrite for $150- back in '73!
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: supertwangreverb
To:
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 11:17 AM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Hendrix, surf, and the difference between
musicianship, artistry and emotion.
> Whadya mean Dick won't live down "Back to the Beach"? I haven't
associated him in that movie once since he started recording again
and I actually like the movie. Now this is not to say Dick doesn't
have eccentricities, he's got plenty. But so do a lot of the great
rock and rollers including Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee,
you name 'em. I expect those funny personality flaws they gain in
older age. Such flaws do nothing to obstruct their incredible
legacies.
Took a look at the man's hair Marty! Look what he and SRV did to
Pipline!! :)
> -Marty
> P.S. I do love my Chet Atkins Gretsch Country Gentlemen, but I
didn't sell my surf gear to get it.
Ok, so when I get to be an old rich snob I can keep all my gear
huh? :)
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Yeah, it's a nice guitar!
Marty
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From: DP
To:
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Hendrix, surf, and the difference between
musicianship, artistry and emotion.
Marty-
Hey...my Uncle let me borrow his Country Gentleman...that
thing has sweet tones...I use it when I play my lounge
version of Hawaii-50...it's great for 1/2 speed lounge
sound...I love it's full bodied tone especially when it
goes through the old reverb and tremolo...no wonder Brian
Setzer is so hooked on Gretsch...
dp
--- Marty Tippens <> wrote:
>
> Whadya mean Dick won't live down "Back to the Beach"? I
> haven't associated him in that movie once since he
> started recording again and I actually like the movie.
> Now this is not to say Dick doesn't have eccentricities,
> he's got plenty. But so do a lot of the great rock and
> rollers including Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee,
> you name 'em. I expect those funny personality flaws they
> gain in older age. Such flaws do nothing to obstruct
> their incredible legacies.
>
> -Marty
> P.S. I do love my Chet Atkins Gretsch Country Gentlemen,
> but I didn't sell my surf gear to get it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: supertwangreverb
> To:
> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 8:24 AM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Hendrix, surf, and the
> difference between musicianship, artistry and emotion.
>
>
>
> Very true, I guess Link Wray is still pretty crazy in
> his 70s. But
> Dick Dale looks like a moron, he'll never live down
> "Back to the
> Beach" Being 22(23 next week)I'm starting to feel old,
> atleast
> compared to the guys I listen to. Your 21st birthday
> really is the
> last one you look foward to.
>
> So many of those old surf bands have gone weird in
> their later age.
> I guess their are other options than playing surf songs
> on an Ibanze
> with a compressor when I'm 40. Maybe when I'm that old
> I'll sell
> all my gear for Chet Atkins gear.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> --- In , DP
> <noetical1@y...> wrote:
> > supertwang:
> > I thought I'd chime in on this one: in many cases, as
> > musicians age they tend to "evolve", but just
> remember:
> >
> > The Ramones
> > The Tornadoes
> > Neil Young and Crazy Horse
> > Lightning Hopkins
> > Link Wray
> > Mike Watt
> > and of course, our old pal, Dick Dale
> >
> > I think they are all great examples of older
> musicians who
> > in many case struggled and fought tooth and nail to
> > preserve their "raw" spirit and simple style well
> into
> > their golden years. My conclusion? Musical lameness
> is not
> > alway synonymous with "old age".
> >
> > with much respect, I remain-
> >
> > DP
> >
> >
> > --- supertwangreverb <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > I often find myself going back to the earliest
> surf
> > > recordings for
> > > inspiration in my own
> > > > playing because, no insult intended, a lot of the
> > > current surf
> > > music is a little too good. The
> > > > musicianship is there, but the raw character of
> the
> > > teenage surf
> > > bands is part of the
> > > > genre's appeal for me. Sometimes, our modern surf
> bands
> > > play a
> > > little too well for my
> > > > taste.
> > >
> > > Nicely put, do you think getting older would make
> one
> > > loose
> > > that "raw" feeling in their playing?
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supertwangreverb wrote:
>Very true, I guess Link Wray is still pretty crazy in his 70s. But
>Dick Dale looks like a moron, he'll never live down "Back to the
>Beach"
>
To be fair to Dick, he doesn't look like that anymore. Give the guy a
break, it was the 80's! And this coming from a guy whose band dresses
like Mr Rogers! :)
>Being 22(23 next week)I'm starting to feel old, atleast
>compared to the guys I listen to. Your 21st birthday really is the
>last one you look foward to.
>
You still can't rent a car right?
Your comment didn't make sense...you are starting to feel old compared
to who you listen to; who do you listen to? Infants? (Just jealous
because I am 37...I never feel old until I hear comments from guys like
you...ha-ha)
BN
PS This message was all in a "good natured ribbing" spirit...
Gavin Ehringer wrote:
>Although it was bizarre and non-apropos, I felt the discussion of Hendrix
inspired me to
>do some ruminatin' on music, artistry, and the raw emotion rock music sometimes
>inspires.
>
[...]
>
>I often find myself going back to the earliest surf recordings for inspiration
in my own
>playing because, no insult intended, a lot of the current surf music is a
little too good. The
>musicianship is there, but the raw character of the teenage surf bands is part
of the
>genre's appeal for me. Sometimes, our modern surf bands play a little too well
for my
>taste.
>
>
This isn't quite true for me....I don't think you can play too
well....you can definitely overplay things, but playing well also means
knowing when to show restraint. A prime example is Richie Podolor, whose
fingers could fly like Steve Vai, but most of the time he played simply
and delicately. Playing well does not mean you have to sound perfect or
sterile.
>It's difficult to articulate what I am saying here, but I will be curious to
see if it stimulates
>some discussion.
>
>Gavin
>
>
Good post Gavin.
The aspects of surf that always appealed to me are:
apparently simple to get into
interesting melodies throughout the whole song played on guitars
powerful drumming, rolling toms
using interesting and exotic melodies (Arabic, Latin, etc)
its a very emotional music, capable of a wide range of emotions, from
fear, from joy, to aggression, it's all there...
BN
--- In , "supertwangreverb"
<supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> So many of those old surf bands have gone weird in their later
age.
> I guess their are other options than playing surf songs on an
Ibanze
> with a compressor when I'm 40. Maybe when I'm that old I'll sell
> all my gear for Chet Atkins gear.
>
> Bill
> Thats what I like about Bill's posts, he's not afraid to speak
his mind. Seriously. i think its great. he adds a lot of
perspective from the "younger set" 22 years old, almost 23. Good
times..... Damn good times!......
Today is my 35th birthday. I'm sitting here watching "Andy
Griffith" on TVland - (It's a good one Bill, a season one episode
where Andy runs against Ellie for City Council.) Eating pizza, and
reading about what I should be buying for my next guitar. Which
Ibanez should I get? Am I old enough yet, or do I have to wait
till I'm 40. Ha! ;-) when I was 20, all I wanted was an Ibanez
Les Paul (I knew I couldn't afford a real gibson) and a Marshall
half stack. I still have the Ibanez! Never got the Marshall,
though.
Anyway, because of the day, I have been doing a lot of self
reflection. I guess my point is that we all do things in our lives
that seem like a good idea at the time, but we look back and
think "what the hell was I thinking?" Will I still enjoy surf in
ten more years? Will I think the guitar world still revolves around
Fender gear? Will I still like "Andy Griffith"? Will I think our
band the Aquasonics looked sharp in our matching racing pit shirts?
I suspect I will, but maybe not. Will I play guitar the same way
in 10 years, NOT A Chance. it will evolve, like DP says. I hope I
make the right choices in the future, but I might make a few "what
the hell?'s" Lets all hope I never make a video with Stevie Ray
Vaughan and I have big 80's metal hair.
Is there a point in this? I dunno....
Chris
>
kahunatikiman wrote:
>>Thats what I like about Bill's posts, he's not afraid to speak
>>
>>
>his mind. Seriously. i think its great. he adds a lot of
>perspective from the "younger set" 22 years old, almost 23. Good
>times..... Damn good times!......
>
>
I also enjoy Bill's posts, except when he reminds us all how old we
are....so, as an old man, I feel it is my duty to get him to listen to
some new surf made after 1964....(the roles seem oddly reversed there!)
Ha-ha just kidding Bill! Rock on!
> Today is my 35th birthday.
>
Happy Birthday Chris! I certainly enjoy your posts as well....I too
often wonder how long I will dig surf....it's probably been the longest
"fad" I've ever had. So perhaps it isn't a fad after all. In any event,
I hope everyone avoids the "big-hair" mistakes, the proverbial "jumping
the shark", and has a lot of fun playing the guitar or your other
instrument(s) of choice!
BN
> I have a drummer friend who plays with a ton of bands here in
Denver. every kind of style, rockabilly, garage, frat, country.
I asked him " is there any kind of music you can't play?" his
response? " I can't play anything after 1965!" Sometimes I feel
like that.
Hopefully my love of surf isn't a fad, too. I like to think that
all those other styles I've been into were a precurser to surf. if
I think back to my youth, the first record i bought (actually an 8-
track) was the Beach Boys in Concert. So i guess i've always come
back to surf. if you count the Beach Boys as surf. that album has
a great version of "let's go Trippin' maybe the best version ever.
I got a sirius satelite radio for Christmas, and everyday at 1Pm
(3pm eastern) one of the stations plays 5-6 surf songs. I get all
excited about it, and make everyone be quiet for the duration. I'm
a slave driver!
Jump the shark - I loved the Fonz. thats the episode where
Ralph Malph tries to go surfing on an ironing board!
Chris
>
> Is there a point in this? I dunno....
>
>Chris
Take two songs,
When I Grow Up - Beach Boys
When I'm 64 - Beatles
And post me in the morning.
;-)
BW Dave
--- In , "Dave Becker" <novapup@i...>
wrote:
>
> >
> > Is there a point in this? I dunno....
> >
> >Chris
>
> Take two songs,
> When I Grow Up - Beach Boys
> When I'm 64 - Beatles
>
> And post me in the morning.
>
> ;-)
> BW Dave
I was actually thinking of "when i grow up" when i wrote that. When
i was a kid I alway thought about that song - " what will I be like
when I'm grown up? Will I still dig those sounds?" I'll let you
know when it happens!
Chris
Chris
