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what i've found most useful for learning surf instrumentals is
figuring out the songs on my own. i find it easier to remember them if
i figured them out than got them from a book (even though the books
are useful, so i'm not putting them down) the two cds i credit for
helping me the most are 'plugged in and live' by the duotones and
'moving target' by jon and the nightriders. also any compilation disc
of surf instrumentals with all of the favorites on them.......i just
wish there was more time in the day to spend learning all these cool
tunes.....
--- mom_surfing <> wrote:
> what i've found most useful for learning surf
> instrumentals is figuring out the songs on my own.
That's if you've got the ear for it. So far what's
limiting me (severely limiting me) is my complete lack
of ability to learn and play by ear. Mechanically, I
can play just about anything, but 90% of the things
I've learned were taught to me or read from tab. Were
you born with a good ear or did you learn to play by
ear?
Richard
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--- In , Richard <errant_jedi@y...> wrote:
>
> --- mom_surfing <intheeye@b...> wrote:
> > what i've found most useful for learning surf
> > instrumentals is figuring out the songs on my own.
>
> That's if you've got the ear for it. So far what's
> limiting me (severely limiting me) is my complete lack
> of ability to learn and play by ear. Mechanically, I
> can play just about anything, but 90% of the things
> I've learned were taught to me or read from tab. Were
> you born with a good ear or did you learn to play by
> ear?
>
> Richard
>
i have a pretty good ear for it but have a much harder time figuring
out the rhythm parts than the leads. i'm also very patient. i've got a
phrase sampler that i can record up to a minute of a song and then
slow it down without changing the pitch. i has been very helpful,
especially with the faster leads.
>
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I approach learning the ryhthm guitar parts from an odd
direction...I typically learn the bass part first.
Typically in surf, the bass is doubling the ryhthm
guitar...playing either the I (Root) note, the V (Fifth)
note or the VIII (Octave) note of the chord...although some
songs have a more syncopated, unique ryhthm on the bass
(like Pipeline)...the overall majority of the songs have
the rythm guitar and bass playing basically the same
ryhthm. For me, most of the time the bass part is easiest
for me to discern by ear.
good luck,
dp
--- mom_surfing <> wrote:
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> --- In , Richard
> <errant_jedi@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- mom_surfing <intheeye@b...> wrote:
> > > what i've found most useful for learning surf
> > > instrumentals is figuring out the songs on my own.
> >
> > That's if you've got the ear for it. So far what's
> > limiting me (severely limiting me) is my complete lack
> > of ability to learn and play by ear. Mechanically, I
> > can play just about anything, but 90% of the things
> > I've learned were taught to me or read from tab. Were
> > you born with a good ear or did you learn to play by
> > ear?
>
> >
> > Richard
> >
> i have a pretty good ear for it but have a much harder
> time figuring
> out the rhythm parts than the leads. i'm also very
> patient. i've got a
> phrase sampler that i can record up to a minute of a song
> and then
> slow it down without changing the pitch. i has been very
> helpful,
> especially with the faster leads.
> >
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Yeah,
Dependency on tabs and notation is the danger when one doesn't start developing
the ear early on. I don't think it's so much an issue of being born with a good
ear as it is an issue of the discipline required to develop a good ear. We live
in a fast food, get it now kinda time. With so many great tab resources, we can
have Pipeline down in a matter of minutes. Why bother taking the time to search
for the notes as we listen to them fly by at 33 & 1/3 when the tab can be called
up on the internet? But there are great advantages to being able to pick up a
song on the fly. Not everything is in tab, or you may not have the tab on hand
at a rehearsal when someone calls out a tune. The kinda guitar player who can
pick it up as they go has more fun, and is more in demand and will likely not
retire their guitar to the closet after a few years.
One suggestion that I haven't seen here on this issue in the past is that it
helps to make major and minor scales second nature. Once you find the key of the
song, most of the melody notes are going to fall in those scales. The scales
give you good guessing places for matching notes with what you hear on the
records. Narrow the guessing process down by first determining the key of the
song, and then narrowing down the melody notes based on the scale for that key.
-Marty
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--- In , Richard <errant_jedi@y...> wrote:
>
> --- mom_surfing <intheeye@b...> wrote:
> > what i've found most useful for learning surf
> > instrumentals is figuring out the songs on my own.
>
> That's if you've got the ear for it. So far what's
> limiting me (severely limiting me) is my complete lack
> of ability to learn and play by ear. Mechanically, I
> can play just about anything, but 90% of the things
> I've learned were taught to me or read from tab. Were
> you born with a good ear or did you learn to play by
> ear?
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
--- DP <> wrote:
> Typically in surf, the bass is doubling the ryhthm
> guitar...playing either the I (Root) note, the V
> (Fifth note or the VIII (Octave) note of the
> chord...although some
> songs have a more syncopated, unique ryhthm on the
> bass (like Pipeline)
Do you mean the bass line or rhythm guitar part? The
classic muted rhythm guitar part that everyone
remembers is I, V, III, V. I've always played the
bassline I, III as the rythm part but leaving out the
V's.
Richard
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I guess I got a littler obtuse there...I was refering to
the basslines...and typically the bassist will play a root
note of the chord the rhythm guitar is playing. So if you
can figure out the bass root notes... then, you can figure
out the ryhthm chords...
dp
--- Richard <> wrote:
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>
> --- DP <> wrote:
> > Typically in surf, the bass is doubling the ryhthm
> > guitar...playing either the I (Root) note, the V
> > (Fifth note or the VIII (Octave) note of the
> > chord...although some
> > songs have a more syncopated, unique ryhthm on the
> > bass (like Pipeline)
>
> Do you mean the bass line or rhythm guitar part? The
> classic muted rhythm guitar part that everyone
> remembers is I, V, III, V. I've always played the
> bassline I, III as the rythm part but leaving out the
> V's.
>
> Richard
>
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