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--- In , "kahunatikiman" <chris@b...> wrote:
> Sometimes I think the rythym players really
> drive these surf classics. I really enjoy playing rythym! I think
> Rob Edwards and John Anderson are some of the unsung heros of the
> first wave. I love the driving rythym, and I think its one of the
> tougher parts to play right. lead guitar gets the glory, rythym
> gets no respect!
I have always been fascinated by rhythm guitar as well, and tend to
find it very essential. I remember watching the rhythm player in Eddie
& The Showmen in that South Bay reunion tape, and thinking to myself,
holy crap!
The Shadows also had tremendously cool rhythm guitar parts. I was
stunned the first time I saw Ivan Pongracic Sr. play those parts! I
don't know how he plays them that fast and smoothly and I'll never
know how he figured out those parts in the first place! Typically that
guitar part is a bit buried in the mix, and those Shadows songs often
feature minor 7th's or other chords you don't typically find in your
day to day surf playing. How anyone can distinguish between an Am7 and
Am when the part is hard to hear and played so fast is pretty
impressive to me.
Patrick from The Madeira (and Destination Earth) is a real natural at
fast and furious guitar playing. Check him out in the videos on the
Madeira page. I cannot tell you how incredibly happy I was to hear the
Madeira to "The Victor" complete with rhythm guitar part! And he did a
great job on the Space Cossack covers.
And finally I can't forget to mention The Atlantics from Australia,
who were influenced by The Shadows. More incredibly fast rhythm guitar
parts that really drive the songs along.
The above styles I mentioned are quite different from the Astronauts
"chunking" rhythm style, but I like that equally well; it is also an
essential surf idiom.
I would really like to get better at this aspect of the guitar, not
only the Shadows style but even the ska stylings that (inexplicably)
appeared on The Fender IV's "Everybody Up" and the stuff the early
Halibuts were doing.
BN
PS I also have a hell of a time spelling "rhythm" and have to look it
up every time I use it!
> The Shadows also had tremendously cool rhythm guitar parts.
I agree, the Shadows have great rhythm tracks. Have you ever
listened to The Shadows version of Apache with the balance turned to
either the right or the left channel only? It's amazing how much
the rhythm carries that song. Without it, it's a pretty tame
lead. I also like listening to The Ventures with the balance turned
one way or the other. Don Wilson is an awesome rhythm player, I
think. Big Time downstrokes, for sure!
Chris
Ok, how do I get a copy of the South Bay Reunion tape?
I did notice Ivan's dad when I saw the Troubadours and was really
impressed with him, almost more than Ivan Jr.! a)he had more stamina
than me and b)he was DEAD on.
I heard back from the guy who gave me some info on the Showmen.
Turns out he knows all the guys because he went to highschool with
them, and he played in the "Belairs" after all the original members
had left. Sounds like alot of these guys taught him, including;
Doug Hensen, John Anderson, Rob Edwards, and Eddie Bertrand. He's
going to try and get me intouch with Bob Knight, and we'll see where
it goes from there.
Bill
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--- In , "Brian Neal" <brian@s...>
wrote:
>
> --- In , "kahunatikiman" <chris@b...>
wrote:
> > Sometimes I think the rythym players really
> > drive these surf classics. I really enjoy playing rythym! I
think
> > Rob Edwards and John Anderson are some of the unsung heros of
the
> > first wave. I love the driving rythym, and I think its one of
the
> > tougher parts to play right. lead guitar gets the glory, rythym
> > gets no respect!
>
> I have always been fascinated by rhythm guitar as well, and tend to
> find it very essential. I remember watching the rhythm player in
Eddie
> & The Showmen in that South Bay reunion tape, and thinking to
myself,
> holy crap!
>
> The Shadows also had tremendously cool rhythm guitar parts. I was
> stunned the first time I saw Ivan Pongracic Sr. play those parts! I
> don't know how he plays them that fast and smoothly and I'll never
> know how he figured out those parts in the first place! Typically
that
> guitar part is a bit buried in the mix, and those Shadows songs
often
> feature minor 7th's or other chords you don't typically find in
your
> day to day surf playing. How anyone can distinguish between an Am7
and
> Am when the part is hard to hear and played so fast is pretty
> impressive to me.
>
> Patrick from The Madeira (and Destination Earth) is a real natural
at
> fast and furious guitar playing. Check him out in the videos on the
> Madeira page. I cannot tell you how incredibly happy I was to hear
the
> Madeira to "The Victor" complete with rhythm guitar part! And he
did a
> great job on the Space Cossack covers.
>
> And finally I can't forget to mention The Atlantics from Australia,
> who were influenced by The Shadows. More incredibly fast rhythm
guitar
> parts that really drive the songs along.
>
> The above styles I mentioned are quite different from the
Astronauts
> "chunking" rhythm style, but I like that equally well; it is also
an
> essential surf idiom.
>
> I would really like to get better at this aspect of the guitar, not
> only the Shadows style but even the ska stylings that
(inexplicably)
> appeared on The Fender IV's "Everybody Up" and the stuff the early
> Halibuts were doing.
>
> BN
>
> PS I also have a hell of a time spelling "rhythm" and have to look
it
> up every time I use it!
Back to the Eddie stuff. I still haven't gotten a newer copy of
Frontpage to make a few updates to the Eddie site, I will soon tho.
Anyway, the guy who originally contacted me, responded again, this
time he gave me some information about the guitars from Bob Knight.
Bob doesn't think Eddie repainted much of his guitars, they are
going to try and contact Doug Hensen to see what he says.
Nonetheless it's pretty cool having these guys check your site and
your band out.
I guess the picture which is on the cover of the Showmen CD was
taken during a day when the Beach Boys played as did Duane Eddy.
Bob Night supposedly stood infront and "directed" the band.
Bill
