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Hello, I've got some questions about the Fender '63
Reissue Reverb Tanks.
I have one (stock) and it can pack a lot of spash.
But one thing that I've noticed is that the reverb
sounds really metally if I turn it up (especially if I
play chords). It sounds kind of like distorted metal
plate reverb (I only know the sound because I have a
plugin on my computer to emulate it). Is this because
I'm playing into a solid state amp or because my amp
really sucks? I can turn down my reverb and it gets
way less of the metally sound, but then I have less
splash than the amp's built in reverb provides on its
own, but without any of the metally highend
fuzzyness(which defeats the purpose of having the
outboard unit instead).
When I play a chord normally on my guitar through my
amp it sounds powerfull and strong (slight hint of
overdriven town). BUt if I do the same through my
reverb tank it sounds really thin and fuzzy.
Does anybody here know what I'm talking about?
Would replacing the tubes with NOS tubes or doing the
cap mod fix this? I would really like to get more
splash, but with less high end from the guitar. Is
there any way to go about doing this (a setting on the
reverb tank perhaps)? Turning down the tone and
turning the dwell and mix kind of do that,but then I
get more of that nasty thing fuzzy sound that I don't
want.
The more I think about it, I don't seem to have this
problem as much with my half stack, but it's at my
band's drummer's house so I can't really check right
now, so it might just be my crappy crate practice amp
that messes up the reverb.
Anybody know?
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Fred,
Here are a couple of starting guidelines to try:
1. Turn off the reverb on your amp. Don't use both reverbs at the same time.
More than one instance of reverb is not good. Just use your external tank
and pretend like your built-in reverb doesn't exist. Hint: You'd never use
two echo or delay pedals inline for more echo.
2. Also, as far as the adjustments on your tank go, IMHO, there's not much
room for adjustment in order to dial-in "that sound".
Try 6-6-6 (DW's Jazzmaster setting), or 7-7-5 (DW's Jaguar setting). The
only knob I ever touch is the mixer and i only turn it all the way off to
harmonically tune with the other fellas in the band.
Oh, and don't forget to disengage the brake on the tank ;)
-Dano
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>From: Fred Pleasant <>
>Reply-To:
>To:
>Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Reverb Tank Sound
>Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 00:31:04 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Hello, I've got some questions about the Fender '63
>Reissue Reverb Tanks.
>
>I have one (stock) and it can pack a lot of spash.
>But one thing that I've noticed is that the reverb
>sounds really metally if I turn it up (especially if I
>play chords). It sounds kind of like distorted metal
>plate reverb (I only know the sound because I have a
>plugin on my computer to emulate it). Is this because
>I'm playing into a solid state amp or because my amp
>really sucks? I can turn down my reverb and it gets
>way less of the metally sound, but then I have less
>splash than the amp's built in reverb provides on its
>own, but without any of the metally highend
>fuzzyness(which defeats the purpose of having the
>outboard unit instead).
>
>When I play a chord normally on my guitar through my
>amp it sounds powerfull and strong (slight hint of
>overdriven town). BUt if I do the same through my
>reverb tank it sounds really thin and fuzzy.
>
>Does anybody here know what I'm talking about?
>
>Would replacing the tubes with NOS tubes or doing the
>cap mod fix this? I would really like to get more
>splash, but with less high end from the guitar. Is
>there any way to go about doing this (a setting on the
>reverb tank perhaps)? Turning down the tone and
>turning the dwell and mix kind of do that,but then I
>get more of that nasty thing fuzzy sound that I don't
>want.
>
>The more I think about it, I don't seem to have this
>problem as much with my half stack, but it's at my
>band's drummer's house so I can't really check right
>now, so it might just be my crappy crate practice amp
>that messes up the reverb.
>
>Anybody know?
>
>
>
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Yeah, I only use one reverb at a time.
I was just comparing how the two reverbs sound
different. What would you suggest is a good reverb
setting to get the dick dale misirlou sound with a
strat?
--- -=Dan Ware=- <> wrote:
> Fred,
>
> Here are a couple of starting guidelines to try:
>
> 1. Turn off the reverb on your amp. Don't use both
> reverbs at the same time.
> More than one instance of reverb is not good. Just
> use your external tank
> and pretend like your built-in reverb doesn't exist.
> Hint: You'd never use
> two echo or delay pedals inline for more echo.
>
> 2. Also, as far as the adjustments on your tank go,
> IMHO, there's not much
> room for adjustment in order to dial-in "that
> sound".
>
> Try 6-6-6 (DW's Jazzmaster setting), or 7-7-5
> (DW's Jaguar setting). The
> only knob I ever touch is the mixer and i only turn
> it all the way off to
> harmonically tune with the other fellas in the band.
>
> Oh, and don't forget to disengage the brake on
> the tank ;)
>
> -Dano
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I have no idea. I've never monkeyed with a strat before. (Hard to believe
but true)
>From: Fred Pleasant <>
>Reply-To:
>To:
>Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Reverb Tank Sound
>Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:45:25 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Yeah, I only use one reverb at a time.
>I was just comparing how the two reverbs sound
>different. What would you suggest is a good reverb
>setting to get the dick dale misirlou sound with a
>strat?
>
>--- -=Dan Ware=- <> wrote:
> > Fred,
> >
> > Here are a couple of starting guidelines to try:
> >
> > 1. Turn off the reverb on your amp. Don't use both
> > reverbs at the same time.
> > More than one instance of reverb is not good. Just
> > use your external tank
> > and pretend like your built-in reverb doesn't exist.
> > Hint: You'd never use
> > two echo or delay pedals inline for more echo.
> >
> > 2. Also, as far as the adjustments on your tank go,
> > IMHO, there's not much
> > room for adjustment in order to dial-in "that
> > sound".
> >
> > Try 6-6-6 (DW's Jazzmaster setting), or 7-7-5
> > (DW's Jaguar setting). The
> > only knob I ever touch is the mixer and i only turn
> > it all the way off to
> > harmonically tune with the other fellas in the band.
> >
> > Oh, and don't forget to disengage the brake on
> > the tank ;)
> >
> > -Dano
>
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I think I know what your describing, and I am 99% sure that if you did the cap
mod you'll be happier. Might as well as change the tubes to something better
also.
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Pleasant
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:31 AM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Reverb Tank Sound
Hello, I've got some questions about the Fender '63
Reissue Reverb Tanks.
I have one (stock) and it can pack a lot of spash.
But one thing that I've noticed is that the reverb
sounds really metally if I turn it up (especially if I
play chords). It sounds kind of like distorted metal
plate reverb (I only know the sound because I have a
plugin on my computer to emulate it). Is this because
I'm playing into a solid state amp or because my amp
really sucks? I can turn down my reverb and it gets
way less of the metally sound, but then I have less
splash than the amp's built in reverb provides on its
own, but without any of the metally highend
fuzzyness(which defeats the purpose of having the
outboard unit instead).
When I play a chord normally on my guitar through my
amp it sounds powerfull and strong (slight hint of
overdriven town). BUt if I do the same through my
reverb tank it sounds really thin and fuzzy.
Does anybody here know what I'm talking about?
Would replacing the tubes with NOS tubes or doing the
cap mod fix this? I would really like to get more
splash, but with less high end from the guitar. Is
there any way to go about doing this (a setting on the
reverb tank perhaps)? Turning down the tone and
turning the dwell and mix kind of do that,but then I
get more of that nasty thing fuzzy sound that I don't
want.
The more I think about it, I don't seem to have this
problem as much with my half stack, but it's at my
band's drummer's house so I can't really check right
now, so it might just be my crappy crate practice amp
that messes up the reverb.
Anybody know?
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The harshness in my reissue reverb tank went down considerably after going
to NOS tubes. Its my understanding that will make the most difference, and
then the cap mod second. Actually, you might just try replacing the 6V6 with
a 6K6. The reissues use a 6V6 I think because they are more plentiful and
cheaper. The vintage units always had a 6K6 in the original circuit. I have
heard the 6V6 drives harder than the 6K6 and perhaps that is the main reason
for the harshness.
BN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark scialabba [mailto:]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:57 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Reverb Tank Sound
>
>
> I think I know what your describing, and I am 99% sure that if
> you did the cap mod you'll be happier. Might as well as change
> the tubes to something better also.
>
> Mark
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred Pleasant
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:31 AM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Reverb Tank Sound
>
>
> Hello, I've got some questions about the Fender '63
> Reissue Reverb Tanks.
>
> I have one (stock) and it can pack a lot of spash.
> But one thing that I've noticed is that the reverb
> sounds really metally if I turn it up (especially if I
> play chords). It sounds kind of like distorted metal
> plate reverb (I only know the sound because I have a
> plugin on my computer to emulate it). Is this because
> I'm playing into a solid state amp or because my amp
> really sucks? I can turn down my reverb and it gets
> way less of the metally sound, but then I have less
> splash than the amp's built in reverb provides on its
> own, but without any of the metally highend
> fuzzyness(which defeats the purpose of having the
> outboard unit instead).
>
> When I play a chord normally on my guitar through my
> amp it sounds powerfull and strong (slight hint of
> overdriven town). BUt if I do the same through my
> reverb tank it sounds really thin and fuzzy.
>
> Does anybody here know what I'm talking about?
>
> Would replacing the tubes with NOS tubes or doing the
> cap mod fix this? I would really like to get more
> splash, but with less high end from the guitar. Is
> there any way to go about doing this (a setting on the
> reverb tank perhaps)? Turning down the tone and
> turning the dwell and mix kind of do that,but then I
> get more of that nasty thing fuzzy sound that I don't
> want.
>
> The more I think about it, I don't seem to have this
> problem as much with my half stack, but it's at my
> band's drummer's house so I can't really check right
> now, so it might just be my crappy crate practice amp
> that messes up the reverb.
>
> Anybody know?
>
>
>
That's another question I have. When people talk
about the NOS driving less hard does that mean it has
less reverb and less drippy splashiness?
--- Brian Neal <> wrote:
> The harshness in my reissue reverb tank went down
> considerably after going
> to NOS tubes. Its my understanding that will make
> the most difference, and
> then the cap mod second. Actually, you might just
> try replacing the 6V6 with
> a 6K6. The reissues use a 6V6 I think because they
> are more plentiful and
> cheaper. The vintage units always had a 6K6 in the
> original circuit. I have
> heard the 6V6 drives harder than the 6K6 and perhaps
> that is the main reason
> for the harshness.
>
> BN
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> From: Fred Pleasant [mailto:]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:45 PM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Reverb Tank Sound
>
> That's another question I have. When people talk
> about the NOS driving less hard does that mean it has
> less reverb and less drippy splashiness?
>
No. In my experience, I could not turn up the controls to get that big wet
splashy sound without venturing into harshness territory. After switching to
NOS tubes (and again, I think the swapping of the 6V6 with a 6K6 is the big
impacter here) I had more range of useful reverb. I had to turn the controls
up more to get the same reverb as before, but the harshness was now gone.
It isn't just reverb tanks and it isn't just Fender tube electronics
where nos tubes can make a difference. I used to have a Fender DR RI
that had all the classic symptoms of the RI's in terms of harshness,
tightness, and so on. Put nos tubes in it, had it rebiased and it
came much, much closer to sounding like an original. Recently
acquired a Carr Rambler, which uses a different preamp layout, but I
swapped out the 12ax7, with a '62 JAN CBS tube, the 12at7 with a
Mullard 4024 and the reverb recovery 12ax7 with a GE 5751 and those 3
simple little changes just made everything way more musical and
pleasing to the ear. I would not have thought it so, but, there it
is. I've often wondered why the old stock is so much more musical
sounding--and why Sovtek and some of the other Euro fabricators
cannot recreate that musicality. Groove tubes is now making 6l6's
with original GE materials and equipment--maybe they will move on to
make other new vintage tubes, and maybe some preamp tubes. I always
thought progress meant you get better as time goes by. But they never
got better than the early 60's, with tubes, amps, and guitars, it
would seem. What the #$%^&*#???????? Why could't they see it--and why
did they go wrong?
--- In SurfGuitar101@y..., "Brian Neal" <bneal@z...> wrote:
> > From: Fred Pleasant [mailto:fredpleasant@y...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:45 PM
> > To: SurfGuitar101@y...
> > Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Reverb Tank Sound
> >
> > That's another question I have. When people talk
> > about the NOS driving less hard does that mean it has
> > less reverb and less drippy splashiness?
> >
>
> No. In my experience, I could not turn up the controls to get that
big wet
> splashy sound without venturing into harshness territory. After
switching to
> NOS tubes (and again, I think the swapping of the 6V6 with a 6K6 is
the big
> impacter here) I had more range of useful reverb. I had to turn the
controls
> up more to get the same reverb as before, but the harshness was now
gone.
It's all in the name of profit margins.
>From: "ohsyrus" <>
>Reply-To:
>To:
>Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Reverb Tank Sound
>Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 03:56:44 -0000
>
>It isn't just reverb tanks and it isn't just Fender tube electronics
>where nos tubes can make a difference. I used to have a Fender DR RI
>that had all the classic symptoms of the RI's in terms of harshness,
>tightness, and so on. Put nos tubes in it, had it rebiased and it
>came much, much closer to sounding like an original. Recently
>acquired a Carr Rambler, which uses a different preamp layout, but I
>swapped out the 12ax7, with a '62 JAN CBS tube, the 12at7 with a
>Mullard 4024 and the reverb recovery 12ax7 with a GE 5751 and those 3
>simple little changes just made everything way more musical and
>pleasing to the ear. I would not have thought it so, but, there it
>is. I've often wondered why the old stock is so much more musical
>sounding--and why Sovtek and some of the other Euro fabricators
>cannot recreate that musicality. Groove tubes is now making 6l6's
>with original GE materials and equipment--maybe they will move on to
>make other new vintage tubes, and maybe some preamp tubes. I always
>thought progress meant you get better as time goes by. But they never
>got better than the early 60's, with tubes, amps, and guitars, it
>would seem. What the #$%^&*#???????? Why could't they see it--and why
>did they go wrong?
>
>
>--- In SurfGuitar101@y..., "Brian Neal" <bneal@z...> wrote:
> > > From: Fred Pleasant [mailto:fredpleasant@y...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:45 PM
> > > To: SurfGuitar101@y...
> > > Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Reverb Tank Sound
> > >
> > > That's another question I have. When people talk
> > > about the NOS driving less hard does that mean it has
> > > less reverb and less drippy splashiness?
> > >
> >
> > No. In my experience, I could not turn up the controls to get that
>big wet
> > splashy sound without venturing into harshness territory. After
>switching to
> > NOS tubes (and again, I think the swapping of the 6V6 with a 6K6 is
>the big
> > impacter here) I had more range of useful reverb. I had to turn the
>controls
> > up more to get the same reverb as before, but the harshness was now
>gone.
>
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Any advice on getting the 6V6 out of my reverb unit? I feel dumb, but I'm
having a really difficult time and don't want to break anything. I've never
had this problem with my Twin.
thanks,
Erik
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From: Brian Neal [mailto:]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:42 PM
To:
Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Reverb Tank Sound
The harshness in my reissue reverb tank went down considerably after going
to NOS tubes. Its my understanding that will make the most difference, and
then the cap mod second. Actually, you might just try replacing the 6V6 with
a 6K6. The reissues use a 6V6 I think because they are more plentiful and
cheaper. The vintage units always had a 6K6 in the original circuit. I have
heard the 6V6 drives harder than the 6K6 and perhaps that is the main reason
for the harshness.
BN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark scialabba [mailto:]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:57 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Reverb Tank Sound
>
>
> I think I know what your describing, and I am 99% sure that if
> you did the cap mod you'll be happier. Might as well as change
> the tubes to something better also.
>
> Mark
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred Pleasant
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:31 AM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Reverb Tank Sound
>
>
> Hello, I've got some questions about the Fender '63
> Reissue Reverb Tanks.
>
> I have one (stock) and it can pack a lot of spash.
> But one thing that I've noticed is that the reverb
> sounds really metally if I turn it up (especially if I
> play chords). It sounds kind of like distorted metal
> plate reverb (I only know the sound because I have a
> plugin on my computer to emulate it). Is this because
> I'm playing into a solid state amp or because my amp
> really sucks? I can turn down my reverb and it gets
> way less of the metally sound, but then I have less
> splash than the amp's built in reverb provides on its
> own, but without any of the metally highend
> fuzzyness(which defeats the purpose of having the
> outboard unit instead).
>
> When I play a chord normally on my guitar through my
> amp it sounds powerfull and strong (slight hint of
> overdriven town). BUt if I do the same through my
> reverb tank it sounds really thin and fuzzy.
>
> Does anybody here know what I'm talking about?
>
> Would replacing the tubes with NOS tubes or doing the
> cap mod fix this? I would really like to get more
> splash, but with less high end from the guitar. Is
> there any way to go about doing this (a setting on the
> reverb tank perhaps)? Turning down the tone and
> turning the dwell and mix kind of do that,but then I
> get more of that nasty thing fuzzy sound that I don't
> want.
>
> The more I think about it, I don't seem to have this
> problem as much with my half stack, but it's at my
> band's drummer's house so I can't really check right
> now, so it might just be my crappy crate practice amp
> that messes up the reverb.
>
> Anybody know?
>
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Carlson [mailto:]
...
>
> Any advice on getting the 6V6 out of my reverb unit? I feel dumb, but I'm
> having a really difficult time and don't want to break anything.
> I've never
> had this problem with my Twin.
>
> thanks,
> Erik
>
Its got clips around it, right? You have to push up on and spread apart the
clips, while simultaneously gently rocking/pulling down on the tube. Is it
stuck?
Good luck.
BN
Do what Brian said, but be sure to grab the tube by the base, and not the
glass. The reverb tanks can get a bit fiesty with those tubes sometimes -
take your time, be gentle, and it should come out.
-Dick
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From: "Brian Neal" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 7:38 PM
Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] Reverb Tank Sound
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Erik Carlson [mailto:]
> ...
> >
> > Any advice on getting the 6V6 out of my reverb unit? I feel dumb, but
I'm
> > having a really difficult time and don't want to break anything.
> > I've never
> > had this problem with my Twin.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Erik
> >
>
> Its got clips around it, right? You have to push up on and spread apart
the
> clips, while simultaneously gently rocking/pulling down on the tube. Is it
> stuck?
>
> Good luck.
>
> BN
>
>
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