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I think I'll put together some kind of poll for our favorites of 2004.
I've assembled the list below, please look it over for corrections and
please send any additions or clarifications. I was thinking of putting
together a custom poll that would allow everyone to vote for 3 or maybe
5 choices (since not too many people ever participate). Does that sound ok?
Again, look this over and send me releases that I missed or correct me
on releases I got wrong. I'll wait a while before putting together the
official poll and announce it to the list when it's ready.
I decided not to include DVDs, just CD's.
Thanks,
BN
1 3 Balls of Fire Chrome & Water
2 Evan Foster Instrumentals
3 Laika & The Cosmonauts Local Warming
4 Los Tormentos Grab Your Board
5 Pollo Del Mar The Golden State
6 Satan's Pilgrims Plymouth Rock Best Of
7 The Aquamarines School of Reverb Live!
8 The Bambi Molesters Dumb Loud Hollow Twang Deluxe
9 The Bitch Boys Ride The First Wave
10 The Detonators KFJC's Curl Rider (2nd Disc)
11 The Hellbenders Today We Kill, Tomorrow We Die
12 The Infrareds Sounds From The Darkroom
13 The Lava Rats Surfing The Magma
14 The Lunatics Tour du Monde
15 The Nebulas It's Go Time!
16 The Pyronauts Live In The Pit
17 The Razorblades (I only know of Get Cut By which came out in 2003)
18 The Surf Coasters Misirlou - 10th Anniversary Best (P.M. actually
came out in 2003 I think)
19 The Surf Kings Coming Up For Air
20 The Urban Surf Kings Flying Saucers Attack!
21 Various Artists KFJC's Battle of the Surfing Bands
22 Various Artists Lemme Take You To The Beach (Zappa Tribute)
23 Various Artists KFJC's Curl Rider
Here is an updated list (note the Urban Surf Kings CD title has been
corrected). Also added releases by Davie Allan and Atomic 7. I don't
know about you guys, but I almost want to postpone the poll so I can go
out and buy some of the stuff I don't have that's on this list!!! Even
if you think polls are pointless I hope this list will be useful.
3 Balls of Fire Chrome & Water
Atomic 7 en Hillbilly Caliente
Davie Allan Devil's Rumble Anthology
Evan Foster Instrumentals
Laika & The Cosmonauts Local Warming
Los Tormentos Grab Your Board
Pollo Del Mar The Golden State
Satan's Pilgrims Plymouth Rock Best Of
The Aquamarines School of Reverb Live!
The Bambi Molesters Dumb Loud Hollow Twang Deluxe
The Bitch Boys Ride The First Wave
The Detonators KFJC's Curl Rider (2nd Disc)
The Hellbenders Today We Kill, Tomorrow We Die
The Infrareds Sounds From The Darkroom
The Lava Rats Surfing The Magma
The Lunatics Tour du Monde
The Nebulas It's Go Time!
The Pyronauts Live In The Pit
The Razorblades (I only know of Get Cut By which came out in
2003...do they have a 2004 release Ferenc?)
The Surf Coasters Misirlou - 10th Anniversary Best
The Surf Kings Coming Up For Air
The Urban Surf Kings Surf vs The Flying Saucers
Various Artists Lemme Take You To The Beach (Zappa Tribute)
Various Artists KFJC's Battle of the Surfing Bands
Various Artists KFJC's Curl Rider
I'll start this off:
CD of the year: The Bambi Molesters - Dumb Loud Hollow Twang Deluxe
Runner-up: Evan Foster - Instrumentals
In close running: The Lunatics - Tour du Monde
The Nebulas - It's Go Time!
The Hellbenders - Today We Kill, Tomorrow We Die
(These five are all really close to each other - they're all truly
fantastic CDs. Maybe it's not even fair to rank them, but I do think
that the BMs and Evan are just a slight cut above.)
Honorable mentions:
El Ray - Tick... Tick... Tick...
The Wet-Tones - Mucho Reverbo
(Two European bands that have put out albums with some great surf
music!)
The biggest discovery of the year: The Lunatics - Tour du Monde
(I expected something good from these guys based on their first live
CD, but this surpassed my highest expectations. It took several
listens to get really into it though, but it was totally worth it.
It's available from Double Crown if anybody is interested in picking
it up - skip the first song, though - it's terrible!)
The biggest disappointment of the year: a tie
Laika & The Cosmonauts - Local Warming
The Infrareds - Sounds From The Darkroom
(Two great bands with two pretty crappy albums - what happened? L&TC
have completely left surf music behind which is a bit sad. The
Infrareds put out an uninspired, sterile-sounding, surf-music-by-the-
numbers album. Those guys can do a lot better.)
The most promising improvement (i.e., the band to watch):
The Bitch Boys - Ride The First Wave
(I don't think it deserved to be listed in the top five, but I have
been enjoying this CD. I think it's heads and shoulders above "...In
Heat" This is a band to watch in the future.)
Brian Neal <brian@s...> wrote:
> I almost want to postpone the poll so I can go
> out and buy some of the stuff I don't have that's on this list!!!
I agree. The CDs I listed here are the only ones that I have from
2004. It'll be interesting to see other people's votes to see what
else to pick up.
I'd say strictly based on my top five CDs (plus the honorable
mentions) that it's been a good year for surf music! Though the
scene is not where it was in, say, '98 or '99, I see many signs that
things are getting better again. It seems that the surf music scene
is no longer going to come and go but is rather here to stay, which
is very cool. It may have highs and lows, but I think we can count
of good releases coming out every year. Yeay!
Ivan
PS On Thursday Los Straits and the Hellbenders are playing in
Detroit - I'm a bit sick right now, but if I feel better by then
that'll be a nice way to (almost) ring in a new year! Let's hope
it'll set the tone for 2005 - lots of surf shows!
I didn't buy many "new" surf cds this year. Most of the time I buy
a new CD it turns out to be some modern progressive sounding surf
crap. The one I did buy that was from 2004 was The Nebulas - It's
Go Time! Which I surprisingly liked. I've been told their first
album was slightly better, but I enjoyed this one.
Bill
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...>
wrote:
>
> I'll start this off:
>
> CD of the year: The Bambi Molesters - Dumb Loud Hollow Twang Deluxe
> Runner-up: Evan Foster - Instrumentals
> In close running: The Lunatics - Tour du Monde
> The Nebulas - It's Go Time!
> The Hellbenders - Today We Kill, Tomorrow We Die
>
> (These five are all really close to each other - they're all truly
> fantastic CDs. Maybe it's not even fair to rank them, but I do
think
> that the BMs and Evan are just a slight cut above.)
>
> Honorable mentions:
> El Ray - Tick... Tick... Tick...
> The Wet-Tones - Mucho Reverbo
>
> (Two European bands that have put out albums with some great surf
> music!)
>
> The biggest discovery of the year: The Lunatics - Tour du Monde
>
> (I expected something good from these guys based on their first
live
> CD, but this surpassed my highest expectations. It took several
> listens to get really into it though, but it was totally worth
it.
> It's available from Double Crown if anybody is interested in
picking
> it up - skip the first song, though - it's terrible!)
>
> The biggest disappointment of the year: a tie
> Laika & The Cosmonauts - Local Warming
> The Infrareds - Sounds From The Darkroom
>
> (Two great bands with two pretty crappy albums - what happened?
L&TC
> have completely left surf music behind which is a bit sad. The
> Infrareds put out an uninspired, sterile-sounding, surf-music-by-
the-
> numbers album. Those guys can do a lot better.)
>
> The most promising improvement (i.e., the band to watch):
> The Bitch Boys - Ride The First Wave
>
> (I don't think it deserved to be listed in the top five, but I
have
> been enjoying this CD. I think it's heads and shoulders
above "...In
> Heat" This is a band to watch in the future.)
>
> Brian Neal <brian@s...> wrote:
> > I almost want to postpone the poll so I can go
> > out and buy some of the stuff I don't have that's on this
list!!!
>
> I agree. The CDs I listed here are the only ones that I have from
> 2004. It'll be interesting to see other people's votes to see
what
> else to pick up.
>
> I'd say strictly based on my top five CDs (plus the honorable
> mentions) that it's been a good year for surf music! Though the
> scene is not where it was in, say, '98 or '99, I see many signs
that
> things are getting better again. It seems that the surf music
scene
> is no longer going to come and go but is rather here to stay,
which
> is very cool. It may have highs and lows, but I think we can
count
> of good releases coming out every year. Yeay!
>
> Ivan
>
> PS On Thursday Los Straits and the Hellbenders are playing in
> Detroit - I'm a bit sick right now, but if I feel better by then
> that'll be a nice way to (almost) ring in a new year! Let's hope
> it'll set the tone for 2005 - lots of surf shows!
Bill,
You bought my two surf CD's this year.
Les
On Dec 28, 2004, at 9:52 AM, supertwangreverb wrote:
>
>
> I didn't buy many "new" surf cds this year. Most of the time I buy
> a new CD it turns out to be some modern progressive sounding surf
> crap. The one I did buy that was from 2004 was The Nebulas - It's
> Go Time! Which I surprisingly liked. I've been told their first
> album was slightly better, but I enjoyed this one.
>
> Bill
>
> --- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...>
> wrote:
>>
>> I'll start this off:
>>
>> CD of the year: The Bambi Molesters - Dumb Loud Hollow Twang Deluxe
>> Runner-up: Evan Foster - Instrumentals
>> In close running: The Lunatics - Tour du Monde
>> The Nebulas - It's Go Time!
>> The Hellbenders - Today We Kill, Tomorrow We Die
>>
>> (These five are all really close to each other - they're all truly
>> fantastic CDs. Maybe it's not even fair to rank them, but I do
> think
>> that the BMs and Evan are just a slight cut above.)
>>
>> Honorable mentions:
>> El Ray - Tick... Tick... Tick...
>> The Wet-Tones - Mucho Reverbo
>>
>> (Two European bands that have put out albums with some great surf
>> music!)
>>
>> The biggest discovery of the year: The Lunatics - Tour du Monde
>>
>> (I expected something good from these guys based on their first
> live
>> CD, but this surpassed my highest expectations. It took several
>> listens to get really into it though, but it was totally worth
> it.
>> It's available from Double Crown if anybody is interested in
> picking
>> it up - skip the first song, though - it's terrible!)
>>
>> The biggest disappointment of the year: a tie
>> Laika & The Cosmonauts - Local Warming
>> The Infrareds - Sounds From The Darkroom
>>
>> (Two great bands with two pretty crappy albums - what happened?
> L&TC
>> have completely left surf music behind which is a bit sad. The
>> Infrareds put out an uninspired, sterile-sounding, surf-music-by-
> the-
>> numbers album. Those guys can do a lot better.)
>>
>> The most promising improvement (i.e., the band to watch):
>> The Bitch Boys - Ride The First Wave
>>
>> (I don't think it deserved to be listed in the top five, but I
> have
>> been enjoying this CD. I think it's heads and shoulders
> above "...In
>> Heat" This is a band to watch in the future.)
>>
>> Brian Neal <brian@s...> wrote:
>>> I almost want to postpone the poll so I can go
>>> out and buy some of the stuff I don't have that's on this
> list!!!
>>
>> I agree. The CDs I listed here are the only ones that I have from
>> 2004. It'll be interesting to see other people's votes to see
> what
>> else to pick up.
>>
>> I'd say strictly based on my top five CDs (plus the honorable
>> mentions) that it's been a good year for surf music! Though the
>> scene is not where it was in, say, '98 or '99, I see many signs
> that
>> things are getting better again. It seems that the surf music
> scene
>> is no longer going to come and go but is rather here to stay,
> which
>> is very cool. It may have highs and lows, but I think we can
> count
>> of good releases coming out every year. Yeay!
>>
>> Ivan
>>
>> PS On Thursday Los Straits and the Hellbenders are playing in
>> Detroit - I'm a bit sick right now, but if I feel better by then
>> that'll be a nice way to (almost) ring in a new year! Let's hope
>> it'll set the tone for 2005 - lots of surf shows!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
> Visit for archived
> messages, bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Les,
I did?
Bill
--- In , Leslie Fradkin <lfradkin@e...>
wrote:
> Bill,
> You bought my two surf CD's this year.
>
> Les
>
> On Dec 28, 2004, at 9:52 AM, supertwangreverb wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I didn't buy many "new" surf cds this year. Most of the time I
buy
> > a new CD it turns out to be some modern progressive sounding surf
> > crap. The one I did buy that was from 2004 was The Nebulas -
It's
> > Go Time! Which I surprisingly liked. I've been told their first
> > album was slightly better, but I enjoyed this one.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > --- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I'll start this off:
> >>
> >> CD of the year: The Bambi Molesters - Dumb Loud Hollow Twang
Deluxe
> >> Runner-up: Evan Foster - Instrumentals
> >> In close running: The Lunatics - Tour du Monde
> >> The Nebulas - It's Go Time!
> >> The Hellbenders - Today We Kill, Tomorrow We Die
> >>
> >> (These five are all really close to each other - they're all
truly
> >> fantastic CDs. Maybe it's not even fair to rank them, but I do
> > think
> >> that the BMs and Evan are just a slight cut above.)
> >>
> >> Honorable mentions:
> >> El Ray - Tick... Tick... Tick...
> >> The Wet-Tones - Mucho Reverbo
> >>
> >> (Two European bands that have put out albums with some great
surf
> >> music!)
> >>
> >> The biggest discovery of the year: The Lunatics - Tour du Monde
> >>
> >> (I expected something good from these guys based on their first
> > live
> >> CD, but this surpassed my highest expectations. It took several
> >> listens to get really into it though, but it was totally worth
> > it.
> >> It's available from Double Crown if anybody is interested in
> > picking
> >> it up - skip the first song, though - it's terrible!)
> >>
> >> The biggest disappointment of the year: a tie
> >> Laika & The Cosmonauts - Local Warming
> >> The Infrareds - Sounds From The Darkroom
> >>
> >> (Two great bands with two pretty crappy albums - what happened?
> > L&TC
> >> have completely left surf music behind which is a bit sad. The
> >> Infrareds put out an uninspired, sterile-sounding, surf-music-
by-
> > the-
> >> numbers album. Those guys can do a lot better.)
> >>
> >> The most promising improvement (i.e., the band to watch):
> >> The Bitch Boys - Ride The First Wave
> >>
> >> (I don't think it deserved to be listed in the top five, but I
> > have
> >> been enjoying this CD. I think it's heads and shoulders
> > above "...In
> >> Heat" This is a band to watch in the future.)
> >>
> >> Brian Neal <brian@s...> wrote:
> >>> I almost want to postpone the poll so I can go
> >>> out and buy some of the stuff I don't have that's on this
> > list!!!
> >>
> >> I agree. The CDs I listed here are the only ones that I have
from
> >> 2004. It'll be interesting to see other people's votes to see
> > what
> >> else to pick up.
> >>
> >> I'd say strictly based on my top five CDs (plus the honorable
> >> mentions) that it's been a good year for surf music! Though the
> >> scene is not where it was in, say, '98 or '99, I see many signs
> > that
> >> things are getting better again. It seems that the surf music
> > scene
> >> is no longer going to come and go but is rather here to stay,
> > which
> >> is very cool. It may have highs and lows, but I think we can
> > count
> >> of good releases coming out every year. Yeay!
> >>
> >> Ivan
> >>
> >> PS On Thursday Los Straits and the Hellbenders are playing in
> >> Detroit - I'm a bit sick right now, but if I feel better by then
> >> that'll be a nice way to (almost) ring in a new year! Let's
hope
> >> it'll set the tone for 2005 - lots of surf shows!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > .
> > Visit for archived
> > messages, bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
So, does that make Get Wet ""Progressive surf crap?"
-----Original Message-----
From: supertwangreverb [mailto:]
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:02 PM
To:
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Best of 2004 Pre Poll
Les,
I did?
Bill
--- In , Leslie Fradkin <lfradkin@e...>
wrote:
> Bill,
> You bought my two surf CD's this year.
>
> Les
>
> On Dec 28, 2004, at 9:52 AM, supertwangreverb wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I didn't buy many "new" surf cds this year. Most of the time I
buy
> > a new CD it turns out to be some modern progressive sounding surf
> > crap. The one I did buy that was from 2004 was The Nebulas -
It's
> > Go Time! Which I surprisingly liked. I've been told their first
> > album was slightly better, but I enjoyed this one.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > --- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I'll start this off:
> >>
> >> CD of the year: The Bambi Molesters - Dumb Loud Hollow Twang
Deluxe
> >> Runner-up: Evan Foster - Instrumentals
> >> In close running: The Lunatics - Tour du Monde
> >> The Nebulas - It's Go Time!
> >> The Hellbenders - Today We Kill, Tomorrow We Die
> >>
> >> (These five are all really close to each other - they're all
truly
> >> fantastic CDs. Maybe it's not even fair to rank them, but I do
> > think
> >> that the BMs and Evan are just a slight cut above.)
> >>
> >> Honorable mentions:
> >> El Ray - Tick... Tick... Tick...
> >> The Wet-Tones - Mucho Reverbo
> >>
> >> (Two European bands that have put out albums with some great
surf
> >> music!)
> >>
> >> The biggest discovery of the year: The Lunatics - Tour du Monde
> >>
> >> (I expected something good from these guys based on their first
> > live
> >> CD, but this surpassed my highest expectations. It took several
> >> listens to get really into it though, but it was totally worth
> > it.
> >> It's available from Double Crown if anybody is interested in
> > picking
> >> it up - skip the first song, though - it's terrible!)
> >>
> >> The biggest disappointment of the year: a tie
> >> Laika & The Cosmonauts - Local Warming
> >> The Infrareds - Sounds From The Darkroom
> >>
> >> (Two great bands with two pretty crappy albums - what happened?
> > L&TC
> >> have completely left surf music behind which is a bit sad. The
> >> Infrareds put out an uninspired, sterile-sounding, surf-music-
by-
> > the-
> >> numbers album. Those guys can do a lot better.)
> >>
> >> The most promising improvement (i.e., the band to watch):
> >> The Bitch Boys - Ride The First Wave
> >>
> >> (I don't think it deserved to be listed in the top five, but I
> > have
> >> been enjoying this CD. I think it's heads and shoulders
> > above "...In
> >> Heat" This is a band to watch in the future.)
> >>
> >> Brian Neal <brian@s...> wrote:
> >>> I almost want to postpone the poll so I can go
> >>> out and buy some of the stuff I don't have that's on this
> > list!!!
> >>
> >> I agree. The CDs I listed here are the only ones that I have
from
> >> 2004. It'll be interesting to see other people's votes to see
> > what
> >> else to pick up.
> >>
> >> I'd say strictly based on my top five CDs (plus the honorable
> >> mentions) that it's been a good year for surf music! Though the
> >> scene is not where it was in, say, '98 or '99, I see many signs
> > that
> >> things are getting better again. It seems that the surf music
> > scene
> >> is no longer going to come and go but is rather here to stay,
> > which
> >> is very cool. It may have highs and lows, but I think we can
> > count
> >> of good releases coming out every year. Yeay!
> >>
> >> Ivan
> >>
> >> PS On Thursday Los Straits and the Hellbenders are playing in
> >> Detroit - I'm a bit sick right now, but if I feel better by then
> >> that'll be a nice way to (almost) ring in a new year! Let's
hope
> >> it'll set the tone for 2005 - lots of surf shows!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > .
> > Visit
<> for archived
> > messages, bookmarks, files, polls, etc.
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
.
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--- In , "supertwangreverb"
<supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
>
> I didn't buy many "new" surf cds this year. Most of the time I buy
> a new CD it turns out to be some modern progressive sounding surf
> crap.
Bill, I must say that this statement by you left me more than a bit
bothered. I know this whole trad vs. prog topic has been beaten to
death, but I just had to pipe in with a couple of thoughts:
1) I'm not sure what you mean by progressive. Are we talking the
Mermen here? Though I do on occasion enjoy them, my tastes
definitely fall on the trad side. But I got the feeling (probably
erroneously) that you're saying even many trad bands are too
progressive. I'm not going to argue your taste here, it's yours and
subjective and that's all there is to it. But I think it's not
really fair to dismiss a bunch of cool musicians who love surf music
for being too progressive cause they don't sound exactly like they're
playing in Orange County in 1963.
I have some 600-700 surf music albums, both old and new, and it's
exactly ten years now that I've been a part of this scene (started
getting really into it in the Summer and Fall of '04 when I joined
the Cowabunga discussion list), so I know what I'm talking about.
And here is what I found from my experience: '62-'65 surf music has a
feel that has not been captured by ANYBODY since then! No matter how
good, how dedicated, how anal, it just hasn't been done. There's a
particular sound and feel to authentic, original surf music that has
remained in that era and that cannot be recreated. Many bands that
try to only do that end up being quite boring, unimaginative,
unexciting and repetative. My biggest recommendation to young bands
it not to put any unnecessary blinkers and limitations on themselves
by deciding they're going to sound exactly like Eddie & the Showmen,
the Astronauts and the Fender IV, and nothing else.
Now, does that mean that everybody should pull out their digital
multiprocessors, Jacksons, Peaveys, etc.? Absolutely not. In my
opinion the bands that have been the most successful on the creative
level in the last ten years are those that loved and understood the
genre so deeply that they were able to internalize it to such an
extent they could leave their own imprint and personality on it while
very much remaining faithful to it. My favorites that I believe did
this are the Fathoms, the Penetrators, the Bomboras, the Woodies, the
Boss Martians, the Treble Spankers, the Volcanos, Satan's Pilgrims,
Jon & the Nightriders, and more recently the Nebulas, Husky & the
Sandman, Langhorns, the Bambi Molesters and several others.
(Slacktone and the Surf Coasters sometimes go too far out for my
taste, but when they nail it, brother, watch out!) I really think
that none of these bands sound like they came from '63, but they all
indisputably sound like surf music - GREAT surf music!
I LOVE trad surf. But I want to see it continue to develop and
grow. That doesn't mean the Mermen, it doesn't necessarily mean
Slacktone or the Surf Coasters. But it does mean doing something
CREATIVE, new, different. Imagine if the Belairs said, geez, this
Mr. Moto song just doesn't sound enough like the Ventures or the
Fireballs, we better add make it fit that mold a bit more. Or if DD
never did Miserlou, cause it was just too, well, WEIRD!! All that
aggression and speed, and those strange tonalities, and that crazy
guitar tone! Nope, gotta go. Or if Eddie & the Showmen scratched
Scratch cause nobody had played lead guitar in that flashy of a
manner in surf music. Or if Randy Holden & the Fender IV dropped Mar
Gaya cause it was too relentless and disturbing. Every one of those
moments was a major step forward for surf music, and is now accepted
as a normal part of the genre. But when it was introduced, it was
strange and new. Remember that Paul Johnson had to pull his car off
the road the first time he heard Pipeline cause it was so different
and exciting!
I've recently been rifling through old posts on SG101, and I happened
across the one where I forwarded Randy Holden's email to me to the
site. I had forgotten what he said in there, so it was nice to be
reminded. It was after he received a CD or two from me where I put
the best of '90s surf music on there. His response was that judging
by those recording his opinion was that the new surf music was
considerably better than '62-'65. Though I have a huge soft spot for
the originals, and they always transport me to a that perfect place
in time that was Southern California in 1963, by any objective
measure I totally agree with him. There was much more good surf
music that has come out in the last ten years than did in the first
three years of surf music. Maybe not classic surf songs, but overall
much greater quality as a body of work (somebody find me more than
three original surf bands that have recorded as much quality material
as the Fathoms...)
So, why dismiss so many new bands that are probably trying to do the
same thing that you are doing with the Reluctant Aquanauts - try to
leave their own imprint in this historical and somewhat exclusive
line of surf musicians playing the music they dig the most? Not to
say that you've gotta like everything (I sure don't). Not all
musicians and bands are created equal - some are much better than
others. But I think you should at least give them a chance. Believe
me, I know it's expensive to try to keep up with all the surf CDs
that come out, but buying only one new surf CD from '04? Doesn't
seem right for a self-described fan of the genre. In addition, the
best way that we can increase the chances of our bands to get greater
exposure, more sales and more gigs is by supporting the CURRENT scene
as much as possible. The Space Cossacks would never have gotten
1/10th the exposure if it wasn't for bands like the Penetrators and
Satan's Pilgrims, and yes, even the Mermen, helping us out. And I
think that applies to many other great bands from the nineties.
Everybody benefitted from the great excitement and energy that
existed in the whole genre at the time.
Alright, I'm getting off my soapbox now...
> The one I did buy that was from 2004 was The Nebulas - It's
> Go Time! Which I surprisingly liked. I've been told their first
> album was slightly better, but I enjoyed this one.
They're both awesome albums. The Nebulas are truly one of the
brightest stars of the current scene. I'm working on going to see
the Surf Coasters, Slacktone and the Nebulas in Hermosa Beach on
March 5th (or whatever it is), cause that's about as good as it gets
today, I think.
However, I hope that in the next week or so I'll pipe in with a large
diatribe on Euro Surf. I think that most US fans of surf music are
really missing the boat cause IMHO some of the very best surf music
today is coming from Europe. More on that soon....
Ivan
Christ Ivan! You write too much to hold my attention haha. I'm
going to need the cliff notes of your posts from now on.
Hey, I didn't mean to offend anyone. I just don't like some of
the "newer" surf stuff I've heard. I've heard the Merman and
disliked it, same with Slacktone, I've also heard some of Les
Fradkin's stuff and didn't like it either. Sorry, just not my
taste. That being said, Dave Wronski is an amazing guitarist and so
is Les Fradkin. However, I feel some of the newer bands like the
Treblemakers, the Ghastly Ones, Satans Pilgrims, and the Bomboras
did put a more modern spin on surf, but those guys did it
differently than the previous bands I mentioned, and they were still
creative.
Ivan, I respectfully disagree with what you say about newer bands
sounding like the old ones. I really think minus the organ on the
Finks album it sounds similar to the original bands, same with some
of the Treblemakers.
Also comparing bands who made those big changes in the 60s is
different than now, there's so much shitty things that have been
done in music the past 40 years that everyone gets a little polluted.
Which, I guess could go along with what Ivan saying, no new bands
are going to sound exactly like an old surf band.
With my band we try to sound as traditional is possible, go ahead
say we are putting on blinders and blocking out too much. That's a
compliment as far as I'm concerned. We've been asked to play our 3
biggest shows this year because we sound more traditional than any
of the other surf bands around here. There's still alot left to do
with the traditional sound IMO.
Bill
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...>
wrote:
>
> --- In , "supertwangreverb"
> <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I didn't buy many "new" surf cds this year. Most of the time I
buy
> > a new CD it turns out to be some modern progressive sounding
surf
> > crap.
>
> Bill, I must say that this statement by you left me more than a
bit
> bothered. I know this whole trad vs. prog topic has been beaten
to
> death, but I just had to pipe in with a couple of thoughts:
>
> 1) I'm not sure what you mean by progressive. Are we talking the
> Mermen here? Though I do on occasion enjoy them, my tastes
> definitely fall on the trad side. But I got the feeling (probably
> erroneously) that you're saying even many trad bands are too
> progressive. I'm not going to argue your taste here, it's yours
and
> subjective and that's all there is to it. But I think it's not
> really fair to dismiss a bunch of cool musicians who love surf
music
> for being too progressive cause they don't sound exactly like
they're
> playing in Orange County in 1963.
>
> I have some 600-700 surf music albums, both old and new, and it's
> exactly ten years now that I've been a part of this scene (started
> getting really into it in the Summer and Fall of '04 when I joined
> the Cowabunga discussion list), so I know what I'm talking about.
> And here is what I found from my experience: '62-'65 surf music
has a
> feel that has not been captured by ANYBODY since then! No matter
how
> good, how dedicated, how anal, it just hasn't been done. There's
a
> particular sound and feel to authentic, original surf music that
has
> remained in that era and that cannot be recreated. Many bands
that
> try to only do that end up being quite boring, unimaginative,
> unexciting and repetative. My biggest recommendation to young
bands
> it not to put any unnecessary blinkers and limitations on
themselves
> by deciding they're going to sound exactly like Eddie & the
Showmen,
> the Astronauts and the Fender IV, and nothing else.
>
> Now, does that mean that everybody should pull out their digital
> multiprocessors, Jacksons, Peaveys, etc.? Absolutely not. In my
> opinion the bands that have been the most successful on the
creative
> level in the last ten years are those that loved and understood
the
> genre so deeply that they were able to internalize it to such an
> extent they could leave their own imprint and personality on it
while
> very much remaining faithful to it. My favorites that I believe
did
> this are the Fathoms, the Penetrators, the Bomboras, the Woodies,
the
> Boss Martians, the Treble Spankers, the Volcanos, Satan's
Pilgrims,
> Jon & the Nightriders, and more recently the Nebulas, Husky & the
> Sandman, Langhorns, the Bambi Molesters and several others.
> (Slacktone and the Surf Coasters sometimes go too far out for my
> taste, but when they nail it, brother, watch out!) I really think
> that none of these bands sound like they came from '63, but they
all
> indisputably sound like surf music - GREAT surf music!
>
> I LOVE trad surf. But I want to see it continue to develop and
> grow. That doesn't mean the Mermen, it doesn't necessarily mean
> Slacktone or the Surf Coasters. But it does mean doing something
> CREATIVE, new, different. Imagine if the Belairs said, geez, this
> Mr. Moto song just doesn't sound enough like the Ventures or the
> Fireballs, we better add make it fit that mold a bit more. Or if
DD
> never did Miserlou, cause it was just too, well, WEIRD!! All that
> aggression and speed, and those strange tonalities, and that crazy
> guitar tone! Nope, gotta go. Or if Eddie & the Showmen scratched
> Scratch cause nobody had played lead guitar in that flashy of a
> manner in surf music. Or if Randy Holden & the Fender IV dropped
Mar
> Gaya cause it was too relentless and disturbing. Every one of
those
> moments was a major step forward for surf music, and is now
accepted
> as a normal part of the genre. But when it was introduced, it was
> strange and new. Remember that Paul Johnson had to pull his car
off
> the road the first time he heard Pipeline cause it was so
different
> and exciting!
>
> I've recently been rifling through old posts on SG101, and I
happened
> across the one where I forwarded Randy Holden's email to me to the
> site. I had forgotten what he said in there, so it was nice to be
> reminded. It was after he received a CD or two from me where I
put
> the best of '90s surf music on there. His response was that
judging
> by those recording his opinion was that the new surf music was
> considerably better than '62-'65. Though I have a huge soft spot
for
> the originals, and they always transport me to a that perfect
place
> in time that was Southern California in 1963, by any objective
> measure I totally agree with him. There was much more good surf
> music that has come out in the last ten years than did in the
first
> three years of surf music. Maybe not classic surf songs, but
overall
> much greater quality as a body of work (somebody find me more than
> three original surf bands that have recorded as much quality
material
> as the Fathoms...)
>
> So, why dismiss so many new bands that are probably trying to do
the
> same thing that you are doing with the Reluctant Aquanauts - try
to
> leave their own imprint in this historical and somewhat exclusive
> line of surf musicians playing the music they dig the most? Not
to
> say that you've gotta like everything (I sure don't). Not all
> musicians and bands are created equal - some are much better than
> others. But I think you should at least give them a chance.
Believe
> me, I know it's expensive to try to keep up with all the surf CDs
> that come out, but buying only one new surf CD from '04? Doesn't
> seem right for a self-described fan of the genre. In addition,
the
> best way that we can increase the chances of our bands to get
greater
> exposure, more sales and more gigs is by supporting the CURRENT
scene
> as much as possible. The Space Cossacks would never have gotten
> 1/10th the exposure if it wasn't for bands like the Penetrators
and
> Satan's Pilgrims, and yes, even the Mermen, helping us out. And I
> think that applies to many other great bands from the nineties.
> Everybody benefitted from the great excitement and energy that
> existed in the whole genre at the time.
>
> Alright, I'm getting off my soapbox now...
>
> > The one I did buy that was from 2004 was The Nebulas - It's
> > Go Time! Which I surprisingly liked. I've been told their
first
> > album was slightly better, but I enjoyed this one.
>
> They're both awesome albums. The Nebulas are truly one of the
> brightest stars of the current scene. I'm working on going to see
> the Surf Coasters, Slacktone and the Nebulas in Hermosa Beach on
> March 5th (or whatever it is), cause that's about as good as it
gets
> today, I think.
>
> However, I hope that in the next week or so I'll pipe in with a
large
> diatribe on Euro Surf. I think that most US fans of surf music
are
> really missing the boat cause IMHO some of the very best surf
music
> today is coming from Europe. More on that soon....
>
> Ivan
Somebody here is a professor.
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...> wrote:
> Bill, I must say that this statement by you left me more than a bit
> bothered. I know this whole trad vs. prog topic has been beaten to
> death, but I just had to pipe in with a couple of thoughts:
>
> 1) I'm not sure what you mean by progressive. Are we talking the
> Mermen here? Though I do on occasion enjoy them, my tastes
> definitely fall on the trad side. But I got the feeling (probably
> erroneously) that you're saying even many trad bands are too
> progressive. I'm not going to argue your taste here, it's yours and
> subjective and that's all there is to it. But I think it's not
> really fair to dismiss a bunch of cool musicians who love surf music
> for being too progressive cause they don't sound exactly like they're
> playing in Orange County in 1963.
>
> I have some 600-700 surf music albums, both old and new, and it's
> exactly ten years now that I've been a part of this scene (started
> getting really into it in the Summer and Fall of '04 when I joined
> the Cowabunga discussion list), so I know what I'm talking about.
> And here is what I found from my experience: '62-'65 surf music has a
> feel that has not been captured by ANYBODY since then! No matter how
> good, how dedicated, how anal, it just hasn't been done. There's a
> particular sound and feel to authentic, original surf music that has
> remained in that era and that cannot be recreated. Many bands that
> try to only do that end up being quite boring, unimaginative,
> unexciting and repetative. My biggest recommendation to young bands
> it not to put any unnecessary blinkers and limitations on themselves
> by deciding they're going to sound exactly like Eddie & the Showmen,
> the Astronauts and the Fender IV, and nothing else.
>
> Now, does that mean that everybody should pull out their digital
> multiprocessors, Jacksons, Peaveys, etc.? Absolutely not. In my
> opinion the bands that have been the most successful on the creative
> level in the last ten years are those that loved and understood the
> genre so deeply that they were able to internalize it to such an
> extent they could leave their own imprint and personality on it while
> very much remaining faithful to it. My favorites that I believe did
> this are the Fathoms, the Penetrators, the Bomboras, the Woodies, the
> Boss Martians, the Treble Spankers, the Volcanos, Satan's Pilgrims,
> Jon & the Nightriders, and more recently the Nebulas, Husky & the
> Sandman, Langhorns, the Bambi Molesters and several others.
> (Slacktone and the Surf Coasters sometimes go too far out for my
> taste, but when they nail it, brother, watch out!) I really think
> that none of these bands sound like they came from '63, but they all
> indisputably sound like surf music - GREAT surf music!
>
> I LOVE trad surf. But I want to see it continue to develop and
> grow. That doesn't mean the Mermen, it doesn't necessarily mean
> Slacktone or the Surf Coasters. But it does mean doing something
> CREATIVE, new, different. Imagine if the Belairs said, geez, this
> Mr. Moto song just doesn't sound enough like the Ventures or the
> Fireballs, we better add make it fit that mold a bit more. Or if DD
> never did Miserlou, cause it was just too, well, WEIRD!! All that
> aggression and speed, and those strange tonalities, and that crazy
> guitar tone! Nope, gotta go. Or if Eddie & the Showmen scratched
> Scratch cause nobody had played lead guitar in that flashy of a
> manner in surf music. Or if Randy Holden & the Fender IV dropped Mar
> Gaya cause it was too relentless and disturbing. Every one of those
> moments was a major step forward for surf music, and is now accepted
> as a normal part of the genre. But when it was introduced, it was
> strange and new. Remember that Paul Johnson had to pull his car off
> the road the first time he heard Pipeline cause it was so different
> and exciting!
>
> I've recently been rifling through old posts on SG101, and I happened
> across the one where I forwarded Randy Holden's email to me to the
> site. I had forgotten what he said in there, so it was nice to be
> reminded. It was after he received a CD or two from me where I put
> the best of '90s surf music on there. His response was that judging
> by those recording his opinion was that the new surf music was
> considerably better than '62-'65. Though I have a huge soft spot for
> the originals, and they always transport me to a that perfect place
> in time that was Southern California in 1963, by any objective
> measure I totally agree with him. There was much more good surf
> music that has come out in the last ten years than did in the first
> three years of surf music. Maybe not classic surf songs, but overall
> much greater quality as a body of work (somebody find me more than
> three original surf bands that have recorded as much quality material
> as the Fathoms...)
>
> So, why dismiss so many new bands that are probably trying to do the
> same thing that you are doing with the Reluctant Aquanauts - try to
> leave their own imprint in this historical and somewhat exclusive
> line of surf musicians playing the music they dig the most? Not to
> say that you've gotta like everything (I sure don't). Not all
> musicians and bands are created equal - some are much better than
> others. But I think you should at least give them a chance. Believe
> me, I know it's expensive to try to keep up with all the surf CDs
> that come out, but buying only one new surf CD from '04? Doesn't
> seem right for a self-described fan of the genre. In addition, the
> best way that we can increase the chances of our bands to get greater
> exposure, more sales and more gigs is by supporting the CURRENT scene
> as much as possible. The Space Cossacks would never have gotten
> 1/10th the exposure if it wasn't for bands like the Penetrators and
> Satan's Pilgrims, and yes, even the Mermen, helping us out. And I
> think that applies to many other great bands from the nineties.
> Everybody benefitted from the great excitement and energy that
> existed in the whole genre at the time.
>
> Alright, I'm getting off my soapbox now...
>
> > The one I did buy that was from 2004 was The Nebulas - It's
> > Go Time! Which I surprisingly liked. I've been told their first
> > album was slightly better, but I enjoyed this one.
>
> They're both awesome albums. The Nebulas are truly one of the
> brightest stars of the current scene. I'm working on going to see
> the Surf Coasters, Slacktone and the Nebulas in Hermosa Beach on
> March 5th (or whatever it is), cause that's about as good as it gets
> today, I think.
>
> However, I hope that in the next week or so I'll pipe in with a large
> diatribe on Euro Surf. I think that most US fans of surf music are
> really missing the boat cause IMHO some of the very best surf music
> today is coming from Europe. More on that soon....
>
> Ivan
It is interesting to look back over the past 25 years of modern surf instro and
see how it differs from the early '60's. I also have a large collection of the
new and do like many of the trad bands and especially the pumped up trad of Jon
and the Nightriders and Dick Dale.
What is best about the less trad Slacktone and Insects is that a lot of what
they do is not immediately accessible. That kind of involved writing is
compelling. I hear something new everytime I hear it. I don't yet get the Mermen
although I love Martin's artistic drumming. They sound very stream of
consciousness, much like new age, as opposed to the arranged melody and answer
of Slacktone or the guitar conversations of the Insects.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: supertwangreverb
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 1:16 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Best of 2004 Pre Poll
Christ Ivan! You write too much to hold my attention haha. I'm
going to need the cliff notes of your posts from now on.
Hey, I didn't mean to offend anyone. I just don't like some of
the "newer" surf stuff I've heard. I've heard the Merman and
disliked it, same with Slacktone, I've also heard some of Les
Fradkin's stuff and didn't like it either. Sorry, just not my
taste. That being said, Dave Wronski is an amazing guitarist and so
is Les Fradkin. However, I feel some of the newer bands like the
Treblemakers, the Ghastly Ones, Satans Pilgrims, and the Bomboras
did put a more modern spin on surf, but those guys did it
differently than the previous bands I mentioned, and they were still
creative.
Ivan, I respectfully disagree with what you say about newer bands
sounding like the old ones. I really think minus the organ on the
Finks album it sounds similar to the original bands, same with some
of the Treblemakers.
Also comparing bands who made those big changes in the 60s is
different than now, there's so much shitty things that have been
done in music the past 40 years that everyone gets a little polluted.
Which, I guess could go along with what Ivan saying, no new bands
are going to sound exactly like an old surf band.
With my band we try to sound as traditional is possible, go ahead
say we are putting on blinders and blocking out too much. That's a
compliment as far as I'm concerned. We've been asked to play our 3
biggest shows this year because we sound more traditional than any
of the other surf bands around here. There's still alot left to do
with the traditional sound IMO.
Bill
--- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...>
wrote:
>
> --- In , "supertwangreverb"
> <supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I didn't buy many "new" surf cds this year. Most of the time I
buy
> > a new CD it turns out to be some modern progressive sounding
surf
> > crap.
>
> Bill, I must say that this statement by you left me more than a
bit
> bothered. I know this whole trad vs. prog topic has been beaten
to
> death, but I just had to pipe in with a couple of thoughts:
>
> 1) I'm not sure what you mean by progressive. Are we talking the
> Mermen here? Though I do on occasion enjoy them, my tastes
> definitely fall on the trad side. But I got the feeling (probably
> erroneously) that you're saying even many trad bands are too
> progressive. I'm not going to argue your taste here, it's yours
and
> subjective and that's all there is to it. But I think it's not
> really fair to dismiss a bunch of cool musicians who love surf
music
> for being too progressive cause they don't sound exactly like
they're
> playing in Orange County in 1963.
>
> I have some 600-700 surf music albums, both old and new, and it's
> exactly ten years now that I've been a part of this scene (started
> getting really into it in the Summer and Fall of '04 when I joined
> the Cowabunga discussion list), so I know what I'm talking about.
> And here is what I found from my experience: '62-'65 surf music
has a
> feel that has not been captured by ANYBODY since then! No matter
how
> good, how dedicated, how anal, it just hasn't been done. There's
a
> particular sound and feel to authentic, original surf music that
has
> remained in that era and that cannot be recreated. Many bands
that
> try to only do that end up being quite boring, unimaginative,
> unexciting and repetative. My biggest recommendation to young
bands
> it not to put any unnecessary blinkers and limitations on
themselves
> by deciding they're going to sound exactly like Eddie & the
Showmen,
> the Astronauts and the Fender IV, and nothing else.
>
> Now, does that mean that everybody should pull out their digital
> multiprocessors, Jacksons, Peaveys, etc.? Absolutely not. In my
> opinion the bands that have been the most successful on the
creative
> level in the last ten years are those that loved and understood
the
> genre so deeply that they were able to internalize it to such an
> extent they could leave their own imprint and personality on it
while
> very much remaining faithful to it. My favorites that I believe
did
> this are the Fathoms, the Penetrators, the Bomboras, the Woodies,
the
> Boss Martians, the Treble Spankers, the Volcanos, Satan's
Pilgrims,
> Jon & the Nightriders, and more recently the Nebulas, Husky & the
> Sandman, Langhorns, the Bambi Molesters and several others.
> (Slacktone and the Surf Coasters sometimes go too far out for my
> taste, but when they nail it, brother, watch out!) I really think
> that none of these bands sound like they came from '63, but they
all
> indisputably sound like surf music - GREAT surf music!
>
> I LOVE trad surf. But I want to see it continue to develop and
> grow. That doesn't mean the Mermen, it doesn't necessarily mean
> Slacktone or the Surf Coasters. But it does mean doing something
> CREATIVE, new, different. Imagine if the Belairs said, geez, this
> Mr. Moto song just doesn't sound enough like the Ventures or the
> Fireballs, we better add make it fit that mold a bit more. Or if
DD
> never did Miserlou, cause it was just too, well, WEIRD!! All that
> aggression and speed, and those strange tonalities, and that crazy
> guitar tone! Nope, gotta go. Or if Eddie & the Showmen scratched
> Scratch cause nobody had played lead guitar in that flashy of a
> manner in surf music. Or if Randy Holden & the Fender IV dropped
Mar
> Gaya cause it was too relentless and disturbing. Every one of
those
> moments was a major step forward for surf music, and is now
accepted
> as a normal part of the genre. But when it was introduced, it was
> strange and new. Remember that Paul Johnson had to pull his car
off
> the road the first time he heard Pipeline cause it was so
different
> and exciting!
>
> I've recently been rifling through old posts on SG101, and I
happened
> across the one where I forwarded Randy Holden's email to me to the
> site. I had forgotten what he said in there, so it was nice to be
> reminded. It was after he received a CD or two from me where I
put
> the best of '90s surf music on there. His response was that
judging
> by those recording his opinion was that the new surf music was
> considerably better than '62-'65. Though I have a huge soft spot
for
> the originals, and they always transport me to a that perfect
place
> in time that was Southern California in 1963, by any objective
> measure I totally agree with him. There was much more good surf
> music that has come out in the last ten years than did in the
first
> three years of surf music. Maybe not classic surf songs, but
overall
> much greater quality as a body of work (somebody find me more than
> three original surf bands that have recorded as much quality
material
> as the Fathoms...)
>
> So, why dismiss so many new bands that are probably trying to do
the
> same thing that you are doing with the Reluctant Aquanauts - try
to
> leave their own imprint in this historical and somewhat exclusive
> line of surf musicians playing the music they dig the most? Not
to
> say that you've gotta like everything (I sure don't). Not all
> musicians and bands are created equal - some are much better than
> others. But I think you should at least give them a chance.
Believe
> me, I know it's expensive to try to keep up with all the surf CDs
> that come out, but buying only one new surf CD from '04? Doesn't
> seem right for a self-described fan of the genre. In addition,
the
> best way that we can increase the chances of our bands to get
greater
> exposure, more sales and more gigs is by supporting the CURRENT
scene
> as much as possible. The Space Cossacks would never have gotten
> 1/10th the exposure if it wasn't for bands like the Penetrators
and
> Satan's Pilgrims, and yes, even the Mermen, helping us out. And I
> think that applies to many other great bands from the nineties.
> Everybody benefitted from the great excitement and energy that
> existed in the whole genre at the time.
>
> Alright, I'm getting off my soapbox now...
>
> > The one I did buy that was from 2004 was The Nebulas - It's
> > Go Time! Which I surprisingly liked. I've been told their
first
> > album was slightly better, but I enjoyed this one.
>
> They're both awesome albums. The Nebulas are truly one of the
> brightest stars of the current scene. I'm working on going to see
> the Surf Coasters, Slacktone and the Nebulas in Hermosa Beach on
> March 5th (or whatever it is), cause that's about as good as it
gets
> today, I think.
>
> However, I hope that in the next week or so I'll pipe in with a
large
> diatribe on Euro Surf. I think that most US fans of surf music
are
> really missing the boat cause IMHO some of the very best surf
music
> today is coming from Europe. More on that soon....
>
> Ivan
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--- In , "supertwangreverb"
<supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
>
> Christ Ivan! You write too much to hold my attention haha. I'm
> going to need the cliff notes of your posts from now on.
Yikes, I know you're kidding, but I feel it may be all too true for
too many of our young people....
> Hey, I didn't mean to offend anyone. I just don't like some of
> the "newer" surf stuff I've heard. I've heard the Merman and
> disliked it, same with Slacktone, I've also heard some of Les
> Fradkin's stuff and didn't like it either.
I wasn't really talking about bands like these. They're definitely
going way out and not even trying to be trad.
> However, I feel some of the newer bands like the
> Treblemakers, the Ghastly Ones, Satans Pilgrims, and the Bomboras
> did put a more modern spin on surf, but those guys did it
> differently than the previous bands I mentioned, and they were
> still creative.
Well, that's exactly what I was saying! I mentioned SPs and the
Bomboras. I should have mentioned the Treblemakers, cause I do love
them, too. (I'm not that into the Ghastly Ones, though I appreciate
what they're doing - I don't think they're terribly trad,
incidentally.)
> Ivan, I respectfully disagree with what you say about newer bands
> sounding like the old ones. I really think minus the organ on the
> Finks album it sounds similar to the original bands, same with some
> of the Treblemakers.
Hey, this is all in the spirit of mutual respect. But here's the
thing: I have the Finks CD, and there are, what, two or three
originals on there? They definitely capture the traditional sound
and playing technique, and they get very close, but to my ears they
still don't sound like a recording from '63. And if they tried to do
more originals, I'm sure they would have sounded even less
traditional. As far as the Treblemakers, I was friends with both Zak
and Denis, and we corresponded quite a bit during the late nineties
(haven't heard from either of those guys for a while, they dropped
off the face of the earth). There's NO WAY that a sixties band would
have ever recorded the Doomsday Device album! No way. I think
that's an amazing CD, but exactly because those guys allowed their
personalities and creativities to take over rather than slavishly
attempting sound authentic, circa '63. Their previous CD was mostly
covers, and it's the same thing as the Finks - they sounded very
close, but not like a band from Orange County in '63. They simply
can't, they're different people in a different culture and different
place in history. And different WEATHER, with all the experiences
that that brings to surf music. And, finally, different recording
techniques and equipment, for better or worse.
If you strive to follow in the footsteps of the Treblemakers, then
I'll be happy to admit that you've got good rolemodels. Not so much
for the Finks, though. I think both the Bomboras and the Huntington
Cads were infinitely better and more interesting than the Finks, who
were ultimately pretty bland. If I want to hear those songs, I'll
just listen to the originals, they were still better.
> Also comparing bands who made those big changes in the 60s is
> different than now, there's so much shitty things that have been
> done in music the past 40 years that everyone gets a little
polluted.
> Which, I guess could go along with what Ivan saying, no new bands
> are going to sound exactly like an old surf band.
Yep, exactly. But my friend, 'polluted'? You must like SOMETHING
that has been done in the last forty years? I like a whole bunch of
music from these last four decades (and much before it, too), and I
feel my life would be poorer for not having heard it. I don't think
that's pollution. Let's put it this way: can you ever do surf music
in the same way after having heard and loved the Ventures In Space,
which came out in '64? It's gonna change your perceptions of the
genre, cause it's amazing! As the Madeira bass player said to me
once, our ears just aren't 'innoecent' anymore. And then you won't
be able to sound like exactly as did somebody that was writing songs
and recording before that. Is that pollution?
> With my band we try to sound as traditional is possible, go ahead
> say we are putting on blinders and blocking out too much. That's a
> compliment as far as I'm concerned. We've been asked to play our 3
> biggest shows this year because we sound more traditional than any
> of the other surf bands around here. There's still alot left to do
> with the traditional sound IMO.
Bill, I think you've got a great band, and I think you guys have an
enormous amount of potential. I loved your performance when I saw
you in May, as I was happy to tell everybody. I love the fact you
have the most traditional sound (I really do, that's what I love to
hear and where my heart truly is), and I'm VERY HAPPY you're getting
shows. What I'm talking about concerns songwriting and recording -
making your own contribution to the genre. If you can make music
that's as good as the Treblemakers or Satan's Pilgrims or the
Bomboras, I will love you forever and be one of your biggest fans!
But if all that you amount to is doing really faithful versions of
Scratch and Mar Gaya, and writing a few originals that copy those
tracks, then I may enjoy seeing you live on occasion, but I doubt
I'll be singing your praises to others or even recommeding your CD.
That is all that I'm saying. Set your goals a bit higher! Don't
just strive to RECREATE this awesome music, strive to CREATE some of
it, make it your own, something that would make Eddie Bertrand of '64
and Randy Holden of '64 proud and make them take notice! Don't lose
your trad sound, but add to it. And try to appreciate others that do
that. God, there are so many trad sounding, good bands around right
now. Just to dip in my best-of list, the Hellbenders are quite trad
with a big western influence, the Bambi Molesters are most of the
time very trad, the Lunatics have a big mid-sixites Ventures sound
mixed in with trad surf, the Wet-Tones and El Ray are pure trad
surf. Why not check out some of those bands? None of them are like
Slacktone or Get Wet.
Hope that makes some sense and that I'm not testing your attention
span again...
Ivan
> I wasn't really talking about bands like these. They're
definitely
> going way out and not even trying to be trad.
OK, so maybe we are more on the same track then I thought. Ivan,
I've talked with Zak alot too, and I think "Flipping the Bird" was
more traditional sounding than "vs. the Doomsday Device" which is a
better album in my opinon. I guess only I know what is too
progressive for my own tastes.
I meant polluted in the same way your bassist meant your ears have
been stripped of their innocence. Yeah, I really don't like much
newer music. Look, when you just got into surf I was about 12 years
old, I've grown up with modern music, and liked it as a kid. But my
tastes have changed. I might not have bought enough newer surf CDs
to be what you would describe as a "surf fan." But I spent hundreds
on the bomboras the treblemakers, etc. I just like older music I
have a huge collection of old Chet Atkins and rockabilly albums.
If you want to hear two of what I consider our worest tracks on our
new album go here "Buddy
and Julius" and "The Saints Wake" you'll also see Zak Izbinsky has
left us comments.
Thanks for the comments on us they mean alot comming from you.
We've really changed alot since you've seen us and hardly play any
of those songs anymore. Hopefully our newer stuff will be creative
enough for the die hard surf fan like yourself, but we are really
into the retro sound and look because there are people our age who
really dig it, and I guess we are targeting them more so because
that's where we are finding our fan base.
Bill
Woops,
I've got you confused with somebody else. However,
if you heard them, I think you'd really like them.
Happy New Year!
Les
On Dec 28, 2004, at 1:02 PM, supertwangreverb wrote:
>
>
> Les,
>
> I did?
>
> Bill
>
>
> --- In , Leslie Fradkin <lfradkin@e...>
> wrote:
>> Bill,
>> You bought my two surf CD's this year.
>>
>> Les
>>
>> On Dec 28, 2004, at 9:52 AM, supertwangreverb wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't buy many "new" surf cds this year. Most of the time I
> buy
>>> a new CD it turns out to be some modern progressive sounding surf
>>> crap. The one I did buy that was from 2004 was The Nebulas -
> It's
>>> Go Time! Which I surprisingly liked. I've been told their first
>>> album was slightly better, but I enjoyed this one.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> --- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'll start this off:
>>>>
>>>> CD of the year: The Bambi Molesters - Dumb Loud Hollow Twang
> Deluxe
>>>> Runner-up: Evan Foster - Instrumentals
>>>> In close running: The Lunatics - Tour du Monde
>>>> The Nebulas - It's Go Time!
>>>> The Hellbenders - Today We Kill, Tomorrow We Die
>>>>
>>>> (These five are all really close to each other - they're all
> truly
>>>> fantastic CDs. Maybe it's not even fair to rank them, but I do
>>> think
>>>> that the BMs and Evan are just a slight cut above.)
>>>>
>>>> Honorable mentions:
>>>> El Ray - Tick... Tick... Tick...
>>>> The Wet-Tones - Mucho Reverbo
>>>>
>>>> (Two European bands that have put out albums with some great
> surf
>>>> music!)
>>>>
>>>> The biggest discovery of the year: The Lunatics - Tour du Monde
>>>>
>>>> (I expected something good from these guys based on their first
>>> live
>>>> CD, but this surpassed my highest expectations. It took several
>>>> listens to get really into it though, but it was totally worth
>>> it.
>>>> It's available from Double Crown if anybody is interested in
>>> picking
>>>> it up - skip the first song, though - it's terrible!)
>>>>
>>>> The biggest disappointment of the year: a tie
>>>> Laika & The Cosmonauts - Local Warming
>>>> The Infrareds - Sounds From The Darkroom
>>>>
>>>> (Two great bands with two pretty crappy albums - what happened?
>>> L&TC
>>>> have completely left surf music behind which is a bit sad. The
>>>> Infrareds put out an uninspired, sterile-sounding, surf-music-
> by-
>>> the-
>>>> numbers album. Those guys can do a lot better.)
>>>>
>>>> The most promising improvement (i.e., the band to watch):
>>>> The Bitch Boys - Ride The First Wave
>>>>
>>>> (I don't think it deserved to be listed in the top five, but I
>>> have
>>>> been enjoying this CD. I think it's heads and shoulders
>>> above "...In
>>>> Heat" This is a band to watch in the future.)
>>>>
>>>> Brian Neal <brian@s...> wrote:
>>>>> I almost want to postpone the poll so I can go
>>>>> out and buy some of the stuff I don't have that's on this
>>> list!!!
>>>>
>>>> I agree. The CDs I listed here are the only ones that I have
> from
>>>> 2004. It'll be interesting to see other people's votes to see
>>> what
>>>> else to pick up.
>>>>
>>>> I'd say strictly based on my top five CDs (plus the honorable
>>>> mentions) that it's been a good year for surf music! Though the
>>>> scene is not where it was in, say, '98 or '99, I see many signs
>>> that
>>>> things are getting better again. It seems that the surf music
>>> scene
>>>> is no longer going to come and go but is rather here to stay,
>>> which
>>>> is very cool. It may have highs and lows, but I think we can
>>> count
>>>> of good releases coming out every year. Yeay!
>>>>
>>>> Ivan
>>>>
>>>> PS On Thursday Los Straits and the Hellbenders are playing in
>>>> Detroit - I'm a bit sick right now, but if I feel better by then
>>>> that'll be a nice way to (almost) ring in a new year! Let's
> hope
>>>> it'll set the tone for 2005 - lots of surf shows!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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No, we don't consider what we do "progressive." Just different.
Les
On Dec 28, 2004, at 1:22 PM, Johnston, Rick wrote:
>
> So, does that make Get Wet ""Progressive surf crap?"
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: supertwangreverb [mailto:]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 12:02 PM
> To:
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Best of 2004 Pre Poll
>
>
>
>
> Les,
>
> I did?
>
> Bill
>
>
> --- In , Leslie Fradkin <lfradkin@e...>
> wrote:
>> Bill,
>> You bought my two surf CD's this year.
>>
>> Les
>>
>> On Dec 28, 2004, at 9:52 AM, supertwangreverb wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't buy many "new" surf cds this year. Most of the time I
> buy
>>> a new CD it turns out to be some modern progressive sounding surf
>>> crap. The one I did buy that was from 2004 was The Nebulas -
> It's
>>> Go Time! Which I surprisingly liked. I've been told their first
>>> album was slightly better, but I enjoyed this one.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> --- In , "ipongrac" <ipongrac@g...>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'll start this off:
>>>>
>>>> CD of the year: The Bambi Molesters - Dumb Loud Hollow Twang
> Deluxe
>>>> Runner-up: Evan Foster - Instrumentals
>>>> In close running: The Lunatics - Tour du Monde
>>>> The Nebulas - It's Go Time!
>>>> The Hellbenders - Today We Kill, Tomorrow We Die
>>>>
>>>> (These five are all really close to each other - they're all
> truly
>>>> fantastic CDs. Maybe it's not even fair to rank them, but I do
>>> think
>>>> that the BMs and Evan are just a slight cut above.)
>>>>
>>>> Honorable mentions:
>>>> El Ray - Tick... Tick... Tick...
>>>> The Wet-Tones - Mucho Reverbo
>>>>
>>>> (Two European bands that have put out albums with some great
> surf
>>>> music!)
>>>>
>>>> The biggest discovery of the year: The Lunatics - Tour du Monde
>>>>
>>>> (I expected something good from these guys based on their first
>>> live
>>>> CD, but this surpassed my highest expectations. It took several
>>>> listens to get really into it though, but it was totally worth
>>> it.
>>>> It's available from Double Crown if anybody is interested in
>>> picking
>>>> it up - skip the first song, though - it's terrible!)
>>>>
>>>> The biggest disappointment of the year: a tie
>>>> Laika & The Cosmonauts - Local Warming
>>>> The Infrareds - Sounds From The Darkroom
>>>>
>>>> (Two great bands with two pretty crappy albums - what happened?
>>> L&TC
>>>> have completely left surf music behind which is a bit sad. The
>>>> Infrareds put out an uninspired, sterile-sounding, surf-music-
> by-
>>> the-
>>>> numbers album. Those guys can do a lot better.)
>>>>
>>>> The most promising improvement (i.e., the band to watch):
>>>> The Bitch Boys - Ride The First Wave
>>>>
>>>> (I don't think it deserved to be listed in the top five, but I
>>> have
>>>> been enjoying this CD. I think it's heads and shoulders
>>> above "...In
>>>> Heat" This is a band to watch in the future.)
>>>>
>>>> Brian Neal <brian@s...> wrote:
>>>>> I almost want to postpone the poll so I can go
>>>>> out and buy some of the stuff I don't have that's on this
>>> list!!!
>>>>
>>>> I agree. The CDs I listed here are the only ones that I have
> from
>>>> 2004. It'll be interesting to see other people's votes to see
>>> what
>>>> else to pick up.
>>>>
>>>> I'd say strictly based on my top five CDs (plus the honorable
>>>> mentions) that it's been a good year for surf music! Though the
>>>> scene is not where it was in, say, '98 or '99, I see many signs
>>> that
>>>> things are getting better again. It seems that the surf music
>>> scene
>>>> is no longer going to come and go but is rather here to stay,
>>> which
>>>> is very cool. It may have highs and lows, but I think we can
>>> count
>>>> of good releases coming out every year. Yeay!
>>>>
>>>> Ivan
>>>>
>>>> PS On Thursday Los Straits and the Hellbenders are playing in
>>>> Detroit - I'm a bit sick right now, but if I feel better by then
>>>> that'll be a nice way to (almost) ring in a new year! Let's
> hope
>>>> it'll set the tone for 2005 - lots of surf shows!
>>>
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I like three of the four recordings at your website, Bill. Your drummer is
great. The one I have trouble with is "Buddy and Julius". It would be a fun
tune with it's slow to fast changes but I'm distracted by the recurring phrase
from the Mayberry RFD theme.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: supertwangreverb
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:41 PM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Best of 2004 Pre Poll
> I wasn't really talking about bands like these. They're
definitely
> going way out and not even trying to be trad.
OK, so maybe we are more on the same track then I thought. Ivan,
I've talked with Zak alot too, and I think "Flipping the Bird" was
more traditional sounding than "vs. the Doomsday Device" which is a
better album in my opinon. I guess only I know what is too
progressive for my own tastes.
I meant polluted in the same way your bassist meant your ears have
been stripped of their innocence. Yeah, I really don't like much
newer music. Look, when you just got into surf I was about 12 years
old, I've grown up with modern music, and liked it as a kid. But my
tastes have changed. I might not have bought enough newer surf CDs
to be what you would describe as a "surf fan." But I spent hundreds
on the bomboras the treblemakers, etc. I just like older music I
have a huge collection of old Chet Atkins and rockabilly albums.
If you want to hear two of what I consider our worest tracks on our
new album go here "Buddy
and Julius" and "The Saints Wake" you'll also see Zak Izbinsky has
left us comments.
Thanks for the comments on us they mean alot comming from you.
We've really changed alot since you've seen us and hardly play any
of those songs anymore. Hopefully our newer stuff will be creative
enough for the die hard surf fan like yourself, but we are really
into the retro sound and look because there are people our age who
really dig it, and I guess we are targeting them more so because
that's where we are finding our fan base.
Bill
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WOW! Marty you actually picked up on the theme! We need to start
hanging out with older people, no offense. Like I said "B&J" is
probably our worest song, but it cracks us up everytime.
B&J is my tribute to the Crossfires Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde.
Thanks for the comments on our drummer, he's our 2nd drummer and is
100 times better than our last, if more people in the surf circles
heard this guy he would be considered one of the tops.
Thanks,
Bill
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> I like three of the four recordings at your website, Bill. Your
drummer is great. The one I have trouble with is "Buddy and
Julius". It would be a fun tune with it's slow to fast changes but
I'm distracted by the recurring phrase from the Mayberry RFD theme.
> -Marty
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: supertwangreverb
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:41 PM
> Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: Best of 2004 Pre Poll
>
>
>
>
> > I wasn't really talking about bands like these. They're
> definitely
> > going way out and not even trying to be trad.
>
> OK, so maybe we are more on the same track then I thought.
Ivan,
> I've talked with Zak alot too, and I think "Flipping the Bird"
was
> more traditional sounding than "vs. the Doomsday Device" which
is a
> better album in my opinon. I guess only I know what is too
> progressive for my own tastes.
>
> I meant polluted in the same way your bassist meant your ears
have
> been stripped of their innocence. Yeah, I really don't like
much
> newer music. Look, when you just got into surf I was about 12
years
> old, I've grown up with modern music, and liked it as a kid.
But my
> tastes have changed. I might not have bought enough newer surf
CDs
> to be what you would describe as a "surf fan." But I spent
hundreds
> on the bomboras the treblemakers, etc. I just like older music
I
> have a huge collection of old Chet Atkins and rockabilly albums.
>
> If you want to hear two of what I consider our worest tracks on
our
> new album go here "Buddy
> and Julius" and "The Saints Wake" you'll also see Zak Izbinsky
has
> left us comments.
>
> Thanks for the comments on us they mean alot comming from you.
> We've really changed alot since you've seen us and hardly play
any
> of those songs anymore. Hopefully our newer stuff will be
creative
> enough for the die hard surf fan like yourself, but we are
really
> into the retro sound and look because there are people our age
who
> really dig it, and I guess we are targeting them more so because
> that's where we are finding our fan base.
>
> Bill
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--- In , "supertwangreverb"
<supertwangreverb@y...> wrote:
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> OK, so maybe we are more on the same track then I thought.
I think so.
> Ivan,
> I've talked with Zak alot too, and I think "Flipping the Bird" was
> more traditional sounding than "vs. the Doomsday Device" which is
> a better album in my opinon.
I completely agree!
> I guess only I know what is too progressive for my own tastes.
Yep.
> I might not have bought enough newer surf CDs
> to be what you would describe as a "surf fan."
I never meant to say that. I think it's very clear that you
certainly ARE a surf music fan! All that I was trying to say is
that maybe you should open your ears and mind to some newer bands.
I think you'd actually like quite a few of them, and you'd be
supporting the scene. And I suspect that you'd like to do more than
just play around Chicago. By supporting other surf bands, you can
get connections and shows in other parts of the country, too.
> But I spent hundreds on the bomboras the treblemakers, etc.
How did you do that, since each one only has several releases? The
Bomboras, what, 3 CDs and an LP? The Treblemakers 2 CDs and one
LP? If you spent hundreds on them, you overpaid!
> I just like older music I
> have a huge collection of old Chet Atkins and rockabilly albums.
No problem, that's cool. But how do you know that you won't like
the newer stuff if you don't even check it out? Just because you
don't like Slacktone and Get Wet, doesn't mean that all modern surf
stuff is like that. As you know since you're a big fan of the
Treblemakers and the Bomboras. I think it's easy enough to resell
most new surf releases on this list if you don't like it, so why not
just give it a shot?
> If you want to hear two of what I consider our worest tracks on
our
> new album go here "Buddy
> and Julius" and "The Saints Wake" you'll also see Zak Izbinsky has
> left us comments.
I did go on there, but for some reason i was unable to download the
tracks. Sorry. I did listen to Scratch from you site, though, and
you did a great job! Very nice. I'd listen to more, but it took
forever to download Scratch! Can't you compress those Mp3s a bit
more?
> Thanks for the comments on us they mean alot comming from you.
> We've really changed alot since you've seen us and hardly play any
> of those songs anymore.
How did you change, exactly? Do you have a new drummer since I saw
you? the drummer I saw you with was REALLY good, he blew me away.
Have you added a rhythm guitar recently, too? I seem to remember
reading someting on this site about that....
> Hopefully our newer stuff will be creative
> enough for the die hard surf fan like yourself,
I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
> but we are really
> into the retro sound and look because there are people our age who
> really dig it, and I guess we are targeting them more so because
> that's where we are finding our fan base.
Really? 22-year-olds are really into ultra-trad surf? God, if
that's true, then, my friend, you've got it made! And you should
continue to do whatever is bringing you gigs and attention. And
best of luck! I hope we can play together at some point in '05.
Ivan
It isn't really surf, but it is mostly instrumentals...
"They're Outta Here," says Archie by Link Wray
was one of the major releases of 2004 for me.
Z
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:18:01 -0600, Brian Neal <> wrote:
>
> I think I'll put together some kind of poll for our favorites of 2004.
> I've assembled the list below, please look it over for corrections and
> please send any additions or clarifications. I was thinking of putting
> together a custom poll that would allow everyone to vote for 3 or maybe
> 5 choices (since not too many people ever participate). Does that sound ok?
>
> Again, look this over and send me releases that I missed or correct me
> on releases I got wrong. I'll wait a while before putting together the
> official poll and announce it to the list when it's ready.
>
> I decided not to include DVDs, just CD's.
>
> Thanks,
> BN
>
Thanks Z. Any more? I'm just about ready to put up a "sample ballot" for
everyone to review before the polls open.
So is anyone artistic? We should come up with a graphic to give to the
top 5 bands that they could put on their websites for a "prize".
Something like: "Winner SurfGuitar101 Best Of 2004 Award"..... :^)
BN
Zone Fighter wrote:
>It isn't really surf, but it is mostly instrumentals...
>
>"They're Outta Here," says Archie by Link Wray
>
>
>was one of the major releases of 2004 for me.
>
>Z
>
>
>
>On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 18:18:01 -0600, Brian Neal <> wrote:
>
>
>>I think I'll put together some kind of poll for our favorites of 2004.
>>I've assembled the list below, please look it over for corrections and
>>please send any additions or clarifications. I was thinking of putting
>>together a custom poll that would allow everyone to vote for 3 or maybe
>>5 choices (since not too many people ever participate). Does that sound ok?
>>
>>Again, look this over and send me releases that I missed or correct me
>>on releases I got wrong. I'll wait a while before putting together the
>>official poll and announce it to the list when it's ready.
>>
>>I decided not to include DVDs, just CD's.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>BN
>>
>>
>>
