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Does anyone have any Link Wray tabs expext for Ramble or Chicken run
or jack the ripper.To be honest am looking for Mr.Guitar...etc.
Thank you
Sal
I wish there were more Link tabs available. The only
thing I've ever found was Rumble. If you've found a
tab for Jack The Ripper, please post it. I've figured
out parts of it, but not all. I'm also trying to
figure out all of Ace of Spades. I'm horrible about
doing that...only figuring out parts of a song and
then giving up on it. My ear is horrible.
Richard
--- bogari13342000 <> wrote:
> Does anyone have any Link Wray tabs expext for
> Ramble or Chicken run
> or jack the ripper.To be honest am looking for
> Mr.Guitar...etc.
> Thank you
> Sal
>
>
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If you twist my arm I could probably tab Jack The Ripper. I've seen tab for
it on the web, but the version I saw has several inaccurate (IMHO) parts.
I had this crazy idea the other day. Hear me out.
In the world of software development, there are what we call Open Source
projects. Notably the GNU/Linux operating system, the Apache Web server,
etc, etc. Basically this software is free (I won't get into what that means
here) and is maintained and peer reviewed by hundreds if not thousands of
individual volunteers. Let's apply that here to tab. Let's say that once a
month or so we take a song under consideration. Someone can suggest a song,
or we take a vote on it or whatever. Then one or two people (or three,
whatever) step up to the plate and offer to take a crack at it. After a week
or two goes by, the tabbers share their work, compare notes, review it, etc.
We then throw it up to the entire group for further scrutiny. And voila,
after some hard work our little group gets a pretty decent tab for everyone
to share. If there are major disagreements then we can include all the
controversial versions as it is generally useful to see how different people
play the same song.
The only hard part is getting people to volunteer. I'm no guitar god by any
means, but I stopped tabbing stuff out a year or two ago. I used to do it
like crazy, but perhaps now my playing has gotten where I don't find it that
useful anymore. But this little science project sounds like fun and I'd be
willing to help out. Finding some time may be difficult though, but everyone
could contribute what they could so hopefully the time drain would not be so
bad averaged out over many people.
What do you think?
In any event, I'll try to put down my version of Jack the Ripper (along with
that review I was going to post of the new Hellbenders....ughh I'm behind
already). Or maybe Jack the Ripper could be the test pilot...
BN
>
> I wish there were more Link tabs available. The only
> thing I've ever found was Rumble. If you've found a
> tab for Jack The Ripper, please post it. I've figured
> out parts of it, but not all. I'm also trying to
> figure out all of Ace of Spades. I'm horrible about
> doing that...only figuring out parts of a song and
> then giving up on it. My ear is horrible.
>
> Richard
>
> --- bogari13342000 <> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any Link Wray tabs expext for
> > Ramble or Chicken run
> > or jack the ripper.To be honest am looking for
> > Mr.Guitar...etc.
> > Thank you
> > Sal
> >
> >
>
>
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Hey Brian, I think it's a good idea. I'd be totally
willing to participate in your coalition of the
tabbers, though I can't say how much help I'd be. I
tend to figure things out more by accident than on
purpose. I think we should start with a Link Wray
tune--Jack The Ripper or Ace of Spades.
Richard
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but why not?
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I uploaded a tab for Jack The Ripper to the tab area on the Yahoo
group site. Comments, flames, etc, are welcome...
So we have a few willing takers on the "Open Tab" experiment?
Excellent...<Mr Burns voice>.
So lets start with song suggestions. Assuming we are reasonably cool
with the Ripper tab, what song should be the first? I hear one vote
for Ace of Spades...lets let a few suggestions roll in first. I'll
go ahead and organize the first collaborative attempt.
Personally I am working on The Astronauts "Hot Doggin'" after
getting a reasonably good take on "The Pier". But lets see what
other suggestions are tossed out from the peanut gallery...
Thanks,
BN
--- In , Richard <errant_jedi@y...>
wrote:
>
> Hey Brian, I think it's a good idea. I'd be totally
> willing to participate in your coalition of the
> tabbers, though I can't say how much help I'd be. I
> tend to figure things out more by accident than on
> purpose. I think we should start with a Link Wray
> tune--Jack The Ripper or Ace of Spades.
>
> Richard
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I think that the great thing about surf music is that it is great for developing
the ear of beginning guitarists. It should not be tabbed.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Neal
To:
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 4:31 PM
Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] does anyone have any Link wray tabs?
If you twist my arm I could probably tab Jack The Ripper. I've seen tab for
it on the web, but the version I saw has several inaccurate (IMHO) parts.
I had this crazy idea the other day. Hear me out.
In the world of software development, there are what we call Open Source
projects. Notably the GNU/Linux operating system, the Apache Web server,
etc, etc. Basically this software is free (I won't get into what that means
here) and is maintained and peer reviewed by hundreds if not thousands of
individual volunteers. Let's apply that here to tab. Let's say that once a
month or so we take a song under consideration. Someone can suggest a song,
or we take a vote on it or whatever. Then one or two people (or three,
whatever) step up to the plate and offer to take a crack at it. After a week
or two goes by, the tabbers share their work, compare notes, review it, etc.
We then throw it up to the entire group for further scrutiny. And voila,
after some hard work our little group gets a pretty decent tab for everyone
to share. If there are major disagreements then we can include all the
controversial versions as it is generally useful to see how different people
play the same song.
The only hard part is getting people to volunteer. I'm no guitar god by any
means, but I stopped tabbing stuff out a year or two ago. I used to do it
like crazy, but perhaps now my playing has gotten where I don't find it that
useful anymore. But this little science project sounds like fun and I'd be
willing to help out. Finding some time may be difficult though, but everyone
could contribute what they could so hopefully the time drain would not be so
bad averaged out over many people.
What do you think?
In any event, I'll try to put down my version of Jack the Ripper (along with
that review I was going to post of the new Hellbenders....ughh I'm behind
already). Or maybe Jack the Ripper could be the test pilot...
BN
>
> I wish there were more Link tabs available. The only
> thing I've ever found was Rumble. If you've found a
> tab for Jack The Ripper, please post it. I've figured
> out parts of it, but not all. I'm also trying to
> figure out all of Ace of Spades. I'm horrible about
> doing that...only figuring out parts of a song and
> then giving up on it. My ear is horrible.
>
> Richard
>
> --- bogari13342000 <> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any Link Wray tabs expext for
> > Ramble or Chicken run
> > or jack the ripper.To be honest am looking for
> > Mr.Guitar...etc.
> > Thank you
> > Sal
> >
> >
>
>
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I'm sorta with ya here Marty, esp. when talking about relativly easy
stuff. I don't usually tab, but that's because i tend to remeber it
anyway and I am pretty lazy by nature.
Another thing is that creating your own versions of songs is all
about sort of of figuring it out and then jam on it with the band
WITHOUT listining to the original again for a while. That's when your
own particular style pops in, for better or for worse.
Having said that, I'm perfectly willing to throw in my 2 cents. How
about providing a handwritten tab for the Slacktones version of the
wedge (from the prague cd) and the Tiki bar crawl (this last one was
pretty dificult and I'm positive I'm wrong on some points).
Unfortunatly, I'm too stupid (and lazy by nature) to figure out
tabbing on the pc, so someone else has to do that, unless scanned
jpegs are go.
I'd be happy to look at the pier btw, we play it so i should know it.
wannes
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> I think that the great thing about surf music is that it is great
for developing the ear of beginning guitarists. It should not be
tabbed.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Neal
> To:
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 4:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] does anyone have any Link wray tabs?
>
>
> If you twist my arm I could probably tab Jack The Ripper. I've
seen tab for
> it on the web, but the version I saw has several inaccurate
(IMHO) parts.
>
> I had this crazy idea the other day. Hear me out.
>
> In the world of software development, there are what we call Open
Source
> projects. Notably the GNU/Linux operating system, the Apache Web
server,
> etc, etc. Basically this software is free (I won't get into what
that means
> here) and is maintained and peer reviewed by hundreds if not
thousands of
> individual volunteers. Let's apply that here to tab. Let's say
that once a
> month or so we take a song under consideration. Someone can
suggest a song,
> or we take a vote on it or whatever. Then one or two people (or
three,
> whatever) step up to the plate and offer to take a crack at it.
After a week
> or two goes by, the tabbers share their work, compare notes,
review it, etc.
> We then throw it up to the entire group for further scrutiny. And
voila,
> after some hard work our little group gets a pretty decent tab
for everyone
> to share. If there are major disagreements then we can include
all the
> controversial versions as it is generally useful to see how
different people
> play the same song.
>
> The only hard part is getting people to volunteer. I'm no guitar
god by any
> means, but I stopped tabbing stuff out a year or two ago. I used
to do it
> like crazy, but perhaps now my playing has gotten where I don't
find it that
> useful anymore. But this little science project sounds like fun
and I'd be
> willing to help out. Finding some time may be difficult though,
but everyone
> could contribute what they could so hopefully the time drain
would not be so
> bad averaged out over many people.
>
> What do you think?
>
> In any event, I'll try to put down my version of Jack the Ripper
(along with
> that review I was going to post of the new Hellbenders....ughh
I'm behind
> already). Or maybe Jack the Ripper could be the test pilot...
>
> BN
>
>
> >
> > I wish there were more Link tabs available. The only
> > thing I've ever found was Rumble. If you've found a
> > tab for Jack The Ripper, please post it. I've figured
> > out parts of it, but not all. I'm also trying to
> > figure out all of Ace of Spades. I'm horrible about
> > doing that...only figuring out parts of a song and
> > then giving up on it. My ear is horrible.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > --- bogari13342000 <bogari13342000@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone have any Link Wray tabs expext for
> > > Ramble or Chicken run
> > > or jack the ripper.To be honest am looking for
> > > Mr.Guitar...etc.
> > > Thank you
> > > Sal
> > >
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That's a good point you make, Wannes. Developing your own arrangement is a nice
by-product of "sort of figuring out" the record. Wronski's Slacktone recordings
do have some clever lines that are challenging as well as some good basic
melodies that beginners could master. Surf music received much of it's early
popularity because it was easy for young quitarists to pick up by ear. That's a
part of the tradition that should be encouraged.
-Marty
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Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 1:54 AM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: does anyone have any Link wray tabs?
I'm sorta with ya here Marty, esp. when talking about relativly easy
stuff. I don't usually tab, but that's because i tend to remeber it
anyway and I am pretty lazy by nature.
Another thing is that creating your own versions of songs is all
about sort of of figuring it out and then jam on it with the band
WITHOUT listining to the original again for a while. That's when your
own particular style pops in, for better or for worse.
Having said that, I'm perfectly willing to throw in my 2 cents. How
about providing a handwritten tab for the Slacktones version of the
wedge (from the prague cd) and the Tiki bar crawl (this last one was
pretty dificult and I'm positive I'm wrong on some points).
Unfortunatly, I'm too stupid (and lazy by nature) to figure out
tabbing on the pc, so someone else has to do that, unless scanned
jpegs are go.
I'd be happy to look at the pier btw, we play it so i should know it.
wannes
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> I think that the great thing about surf music is that it is great
for developing the ear of beginning guitarists. It should not be
tabbed.
> -Marty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Neal
> To:
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 4:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [SurfGuitar101] does anyone have any Link wray tabs?
>
>
> If you twist my arm I could probably tab Jack The Ripper. I've
seen tab for
> it on the web, but the version I saw has several inaccurate
(IMHO) parts.
>
> I had this crazy idea the other day. Hear me out.
>
> In the world of software development, there are what we call Open
Source
> projects. Notably the GNU/Linux operating system, the Apache Web
server,
> etc, etc. Basically this software is free (I won't get into what
that means
> here) and is maintained and peer reviewed by hundreds if not
thousands of
> individual volunteers. Let's apply that here to tab. Let's say
that once a
> month or so we take a song under consideration. Someone can
suggest a song,
> or we take a vote on it or whatever. Then one or two people (or
three,
> whatever) step up to the plate and offer to take a crack at it.
After a week
> or two goes by, the tabbers share their work, compare notes,
review it, etc.
> We then throw it up to the entire group for further scrutiny. And
voila,
> after some hard work our little group gets a pretty decent tab
for everyone
> to share. If there are major disagreements then we can include
all the
> controversial versions as it is generally useful to see how
different people
> play the same song.
>
> The only hard part is getting people to volunteer. I'm no guitar
god by any
> means, but I stopped tabbing stuff out a year or two ago. I used
to do it
> like crazy, but perhaps now my playing has gotten where I don't
find it that
> useful anymore. But this little science project sounds like fun
and I'd be
> willing to help out. Finding some time may be difficult though,
but everyone
> could contribute what they could so hopefully the time drain
would not be so
> bad averaged out over many people.
>
> What do you think?
>
> In any event, I'll try to put down my version of Jack the Ripper
(along with
> that review I was going to post of the new Hellbenders....ughh
I'm behind
> already). Or maybe Jack the Ripper could be the test pilot...
>
> BN
>
>
> >
> > I wish there were more Link tabs available. The only
> > thing I've ever found was Rumble. If you've found a
> > tab for Jack The Ripper, please post it. I've figured
> > out parts of it, but not all. I'm also trying to
> > figure out all of Ace of Spades. I'm horrible about
> > doing that...only figuring out parts of a song and
> > then giving up on it. My ear is horrible.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > --- bogari13342000 <bogari13342000@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone have any Link Wray tabs expext for
> > > Ramble or Chicken run
> > > or jack the ripper.To be honest am looking for
> > > Mr.Guitar...etc.
> > > Thank you
> > > Sal
> > >
> > >
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--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> I think that the great thing about surf music is that it is great
for developing the ear of beginning guitarists. It should not be
tabbed.
> -Marty
You're absolutely right. Never mind then. I am burning all my tabs
now.
Seriously, don't you see any value in sitting down with your guitar,
figuring something out, and then writing it down? That helped me
immensely a few years ago.
Creating tab helps the tabber, but what about the tabbee? Well
everyone has to start somewhere, and tabs can get you going. However
(and I think this is what you are trying to say Marty), you have to
be disciplined enough know when you have to stop relying on other
people's tabs and start figuring stuff out on your own. That's a key
point, and everyone has to decide for themselves when they are going
to jump off and rely on their own ears. Once you've made that jump,
and I for the most part have, you don't really want to go back to
tabbing (because, as Wannes points out, most people are lazy...and
that includes me :)
Tab is also pretty subjective. Sometimes people will just hear
different things and won't agree on a piece of tab. Most of the tab
on the internet, quite frankly, sucks. It's incomplete and its
wrong.
What is my point? I don't know, and perhaps I am changing my mind. I
did think it would be kind of fun to collaborate on a few tabs with
some fellow list members. But nothing beats sitting down and
figuring stuff out on your own. Its painful, it's hard, its
frustrating, but it does get you results if you keep at it.
That being said I am still willing to give someone a hand now and
then, because I can sure use one myself.
BN
BTW, here is my latest practice technique that is giving me some
good results. I got fed up with knowing only fragments of songs, so
I decided to make a CD-R of the "classic" surf tunes, and then learn
each one of them front to back. If not lead, then rhythm. Well I
ended up making 2 CD-R's, and its a pretty steep goal. But I've been
doing rather well. I did this daily for about a week. Just putting
on that CD and attempting to play along. About every other practice
I'd have a minor breakthrough and a bit more of each song would fall
into place. Those were good days. I didn't always have good days,
but kept at it. It is really helping. I can only make it through
about 10 or 11 songs in one session (I repeat songs and go over the
rough spots). But having a mini-set list really has helped me focus.
I certainly don't have all of these 10 songs down yet, but I can see
progress. I suppose that I will eventually drift over another 10
songs and concentrate on them. I don't think I can keep 60 some
songs in my head. Anyway, this is really helping me, the most
progress I have seen in many years. Again, it's not easy, but it is
fun, and practice has to be semi-fun for me to learn anything.
Yes please do.
Sal
Richard <> wrote:
Hey Brian, I think it's a good idea. I'd be totally
willing to participate in your coalition of the
tabbers, though I can't say how much help I'd be. I
tend to figure things out more by accident than on
purpose. I think we should start with a Link Wray
tune--Jack The Ripper or Ace of Spades.
Richard
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--- In , "Brian Neal" <bneal@i...> wrote:
> I uploaded a tab for Jack The Ripper to the tab area on the Yahoo
> group site. Comments, flames, etc, are welcome...
>
I'm glad you posted that, cause that's pretty much the way I play it.
There's a tab for it at the bottom of this page:
..but it seemed way off to me.
MDG
Having started playing in the pre tab days I'm kind of split on the subject.
When I was a kid the music books were pretty much a bad joke. Maybe the chords
were right but they didn't include any of Ace Frehley's bitchen solos. Then
came note for note transcriptions in books and mags. I had long since out grown
Kiss but now I could play Stevie Ray's bitchen solos. The problem with tabs
is now everybody with time and inclination can play Stevie Ray's bitchen solos.
I lost interest in the Blues over the past few years because it seems like
every player is trying to play Stevie Ray's bitchen solos. Some even do it quite
well but they've learned their lessons so well they can't do the most
important thing a guitar player should do: Play their OWN bitchen solos. It's
strange
that music is one of the only arts where letter perfect imitation is extolled
as a virtue by some people.
Tab is a great tool though if used in moderation. It's great for figuring out
the tricky bits like the part of "Baja" I still haven't figured out. Anybody
have a good tab of that? The funny thing about picking songs out is that I was
trying to figure out how to play "Diamondhead" and realized I was play
"Baja."
I didn't realize I had a method regarding tab but I guess I do. Let's call it
the lazyman's guide to tab. I work on the song from tab until I think I've
got it down OK then play along with the record and fake the bits I haven't
learned from the tab.
Has anybody used those song trainers that playback at half speed?
GT
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What is the tricky part of Baja? Is it in the chorus?
-Marty
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Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SurfGuitar101] Re: does anyone have any Link wray tabs?
Having started playing in the pre tab days I'm kind of split on the subject.
When I was a kid the music books were pretty much a bad joke. Maybe the chords
were right but they didn't include any of Ace Frehley's bitchen solos. Then
came note for note transcriptions in books and mags. I had long since out
grown
Kiss but now I could play Stevie Ray's bitchen solos. The problem with tabs
is now everybody with time and inclination can play Stevie Ray's bitchen
solos.
I lost interest in the Blues over the past few years because it seems like
every player is trying to play Stevie Ray's bitchen solos. Some even do it
quite
well but they've learned their lessons so well they can't do the most
important thing a guitar player should do: Play their OWN bitchen solos. It's
strange
that music is one of the only arts where letter perfect imitation is extolled
as a virtue by some people.
Tab is a great tool though if used in moderation. It's great for figuring out
the tricky bits like the part of "Baja" I still haven't figured out. Anybody
have a good tab of that? The funny thing about picking songs out is that I was
trying to figure out how to play "Diamondhead" and realized I was play
"Baja."
I didn't realize I had a method regarding tab but I guess I do. Let's call it
the lazyman's guide to tab. I work on the song from tab until I think I've
got it down OK then play along with the record and fake the bits I haven't
learned from the tab.
Has anybody used those song trainers that playback at half speed?
GT
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I've got to chime in here to say I'm 100% in favor of
tabbing. Why? Because I can't figure out songs by
ear. Some of us just can't. If it weren't for tab,
I'd know how to play a mere fraction of everything
that I know how to play now. I can see where it's a
good place to start from, particularly if you can
learn how to play something you really like that'll
get you to start recognizing your intervals and such.
It may be cheating in some respects, but I think that
even we, the musically disinclined, should get to play
cool songs and look like we know what we're doing
while doing it. I'm such a poser. :)
Richard
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Yeah that would be the chorus. I couldn't think of the right word. I think
part of the problem is that the Astronauts had three guitar players so I need to
try and break it down right now I think I'm trying to play at least two parts
at once which would sound cool if I can figure out how to do it. Open to
suggestions.
GT
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I like your practice technique, Brian. That should yeild some good results.
As to your question on my 'tabitude', I see virtually no value in sitting down
and tab'ing out Pipeline or purdy much any Link Wray tune. Begining guitarists
would benefit much more by trying to figure those babies out by ear. When they
master those, they build the confidence to go on to more challenging tunes.
I do see value in tab'ing out more complicated numbers or arrangements of your
own. I do wish I had done this with some of my solo guitar arrangements from
years gone by. Then again, they come back to me in parts when I revisit them. I
like to think that I come up with improvements on the old arrangements as I try
to recall them.
-Marty
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Neal
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 10:20 AM
Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Re: does anyone have any Link wray tabs?
--- In , "Marty Tippens"
<mctippens@e...> wrote:
> I think that the great thing about surf music is that it is great
for developing the ear of beginning guitarists. It should not be
tabbed.
> -Marty
You're absolutely right. Never mind then. I am burning all my tabs
now.
Seriously, don't you see any value in sitting down with your guitar,
figuring something out, and then writing it down? That helped me
immensely a few years ago.
Creating tab helps the tabber, but what about the tabbee? Well
everyone has to start somewhere, and tabs can get you going. However
(and I think this is what you are trying to say Marty), you have to
be disciplined enough know when you have to stop relying on other
people's tabs and start figuring stuff out on your own. That's a key
point, and everyone has to decide for themselves when they are going
to jump off and rely on their own ears. Once you've made that jump,
and I for the most part have, you don't really want to go back to
tabbing (because, as Wannes points out, most people are lazy...and
that includes me :)
Tab is also pretty subjective. Sometimes people will just hear
different things and won't agree on a piece of tab. Most of the tab
on the internet, quite frankly, sucks. It's incomplete and its
wrong.
What is my point? I don't know, and perhaps I am changing my mind. I
did think it would be kind of fun to collaborate on a few tabs with
some fellow list members. But nothing beats sitting down and
figuring stuff out on your own. Its painful, it's hard, its
frustrating, but it does get you results if you keep at it.
That being said I am still willing to give someone a hand now and
then, because I can sure use one myself.
BN
BTW, here is my latest practice technique that is giving me some
good results. I got fed up with knowing only fragments of songs, so
I decided to make a CD-R of the "classic" surf tunes, and then learn
each one of them front to back. If not lead, then rhythm. Well I
ended up making 2 CD-R's, and its a pretty steep goal. But I've been
doing rather well. I did this daily for about a week. Just putting
on that CD and attempting to play along. About every other practice
I'd have a minor breakthrough and a bit more of each song would fall
into place. Those were good days. I didn't always have good days,
but kept at it. It is really helping. I can only make it through
about 10 or 11 songs in one session (I repeat songs and go over the
rough spots). But having a mini-set list really has helped me focus.
I certainly don't have all of these 10 songs down yet, but I can see
progress. I suppose that I will eventually drift over another 10
songs and concentrate on them. I don't think I can keep 60 some
songs in my head. Anyway, this is really helping me, the most
progress I have seen in many years. Again, it's not easy, but it is
fun, and practice has to be semi-fun for me to learn anything.
.
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This has been a good discussion, I appreciate your points of view Marty and
GT. I would like to hear any others thoughts on tab.
I know full well what you mean GT. I remember walking into a guitar store
when I was younger and hearing this kid just note for note playing Metallica
guitar solos. He just practiced those tab books over and over. That's all he
could play, but he was good at it. :)
I do think it is important to get past the tab, and I think you can do it
Richard! Just keep at it, things start falling into place eventually. It is
important to try and pick stuff out by ear...it just takes a lot of time and
careful listening. A friend of mine was a music major in college, and he
took these classes where all they would do is listen to intervals and try to
identify them just by listening. I've often wondered if that would be useful
for me.
Tab was a big help to me in the early days. I think its like scaffolding:
necessary to start building something, but eventually you take it down when
you have a solid enough foundation.
And GT, I think I finally got that Baja chorus worked out. Let me know if
you get stuck, we can compare notes.
I'm still open for the great collaborative tab experiment, so keep those
suggestions coming (if anyone else is interested).
BN
> --- In , "Brian Neal" <bneal@i...> wrote:
> > I uploaded a tab for Jack The Ripper to the tab area on the Yahoo
> > group site. Comments, flames, etc, are welcome...
> >
> I'm glad you posted that, cause that's pretty much the way I play it.
> There's a tab for it at the bottom of this page:
>
>
>
> ..but it seemed way off to me.
>
> MDG
>
Yeah, did you notice that a large number of those tabs came from this group?
That Jack The Ripper tab was the one I found years ago that didn't quite
seem right to me either.
BN
I think I'm somewhere in between a few of the viewpoints expressed
here. To use a really crappy analogy, I look at it like riding a
bike. You don't just hop on a ten-speed and head for a steep hill--
there has to be some sort of guide at first, like training wheels.
Tabs are great for those of us who can't read music. A friend of mine
just bought a guitar and wanted me to show him some basic stuff.
Since we live a few hours away from each other, the easiest thing to
do was tab some chord progressions, etc. out for him. He can learn at
his own pace, and I really don't see too much of a difference between
him learning a C chord or a scale off of a tab than if I showed him,
finger by finger, how to play it.
Plus, the more you learn, the less reliant you become. I used to
prefer full, in-depth tabs, but now I tend towards the sparse ones--
"A-D-E-D, solo in Am" leaves a lot more up to the person learning
from the tab than a note-for-note transcription. I'm still not very
good, but that's more than what I need to be able to fake my way
through "Louie, Louie."
I'll be the first to admit there's drawbacks, though. You can find a
tab for the guitar solo from the New York Dolls' "Chatterbox" online
somewhere, but it's not going to show you how to play it with the
attitude that Johnny Thunders originally did. Sort of like how, to
bastardize a quote from Spinal Tap, seeing a Dick Dale riff on paper
tends to understate the hugeness of it.
OLGA has a few two-dozen page Neil Young tabs. I see no point in
flawlessly learning something like "Cortez the Killer" or "Down By
the River" (which I don't have the memory for in the first place) and
in the process completely abandoning the spontaneity present in the
original performance, but apparently some people do.
Some people also like to finger-tap and play classical music loudly
on electric guitar. Me, I prefer The Sonics. Tabbing's just as
subjective, though. It works for some, it doesn't for others.
Now if only someone could tab the Eddie & the Showmen version
of "Scratch."
-Warren
