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Hiya, dude. I don't think there's a digital reverb unit made that can
give you what you want. That splash sound was created by the agitated
springs inside the old spring reverb units. It's entirely a result of
the analog nature of the spring reverb effect, and not something that
can really be done digitally. At least not that I've seen, so far.
===>Hello! Thanks for the reply. However, I don't know if there
AREN'T digital reverb pedals that can emulate the spring reverb. The
manufactures of The Holy Grail reverb pedal (Electro-Harmonix) claim
that Dick Dale himself couldn't tell the difference.
Their website is: www.ehx.com
Has anyone out there used this??? The demos they have don't really
show that "spring" sound that I'm assuming is that "wet" sound that I
associate with the Fender amps. . . . Can anyone verify that it DOES
emulate that sound? I don't wanna shell out the bucks without knowing
up front. Thanks!
Vincent
> The manufactures of The Holy Grail reverb pedal (Electro-Harmonix)
claim that Dick Dale himself couldn't tell the difference.
>
> Their website is: www.ehx.com
>
[...]
> Vincent
Hmmm...when I saw DD a few months ago he was still using his
outboard reverb unit. You can't beat the real thing, IMHO.
BN
If Dick Dale himself can't tell he difference, it has to be due to the fact
that he's been overloading showmans for the better part of his life and
subsequently suffered hearing loss. of course EHX would claim such a thing,
what are they gonna say? 'our pedal is fun, but Dick Dale wouldn't be caught
dead with it'? Just this last week, I've been offered lower interest rates,
a bigger penis, and convincing digital reverb. thank you, I'll stick with
what I've got for the moment.
EHX builds great pedals, well worth the money, to be sure. And true, if the
PA system is bad enough, no one will hear the difference between a tank and
a holy grail... or between MIA jazzmaster and plywood stratcopy, for that
matter..... but as has been said, at this point there is no convincing
digital reverb available that can compete with tank, period. (and if there
were, I'm sure it would be a hell of lot more expensive than a tank, btw)
still, check that pedal out in a music store somewhere; if you like it then,
and it does what you want it to do, buy it, and don't care for anyone's
opinion but you're own.
good luck
>From: "Vince Frank" <>
>Reply-To:
>To: <>
>Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Holy Grail & spring reverb
>Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 09:51:13 -0400
>
>Hiya, dude. I don't think there's a digital reverb unit made that can
>give you what you want. That splash sound was created by the agitated
>springs inside the old spring reverb units. It's entirely a result of
>the analog nature of the spring reverb effect, and not something that
>can really be done digitally. At least not that I've seen, so far.
>
>===>Hello! Thanks for the reply. However, I don't know if there
>AREN'T digital reverb pedals that can emulate the spring reverb. The
>manufactures of The Holy Grail reverb pedal (Electro-Harmonix) claim
>that Dick Dale himself couldn't tell the difference.
>
>Their website is: www.ehx.com
>
>Has anyone out there used this??? The demos they have don't really
>show that "spring" sound that I'm assuming is that "wet" sound that I
>associate with the Fender amps. . . . Can anyone verify that it DOES
>emulate that sound? I don't wanna shell out the bucks without knowing
>up front. Thanks!
>
>Vincent
>
>
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The spring reverb modeling in my Cyber Twin Surfs for sure, it's what
I use for spring reverb tones these days.
Rick
--- In , "rock verb" <rockverb@h...>
wrote:
> If Dick Dale himself can't tell he difference, it has to be due to
the fact
> that he's been overloading showmans for the better part of his life
and
> subsequently suffered hearing loss. of course EHX would claim such
a thing,
> what are they gonna say? 'our pedal is fun, but Dick Dale wouldn't
be caught
> dead with it'? Just this last week, I've been offered lower
interest rates,
> a bigger penis, and convincing digital reverb. thank you, I'll
stick with
> what I've got for the moment.
>
> EHX builds great pedals, well worth the money, to be sure. And
true, if the
> PA system is bad enough, no one will hear the difference between a
tank and
> a holy grail... or between MIA jazzmaster and plywood stratcopy,
for that
> matter..... but as has been said, at this point there is no
convincing
> digital reverb available that can compete with tank, period. (and
if there
> were, I'm sure it would be a hell of lot more expensive than a
tank, btw)
>
> still, check that pedal out in a music store somewhere; if you like
it then,
> and it does what you want it to do, buy it, and don't care for
anyone's
> opinion but you're own.
>
> good luck
>
>
>
> >From: "Vince Frank" <vfrank@f...>
> >Reply-To:
> >To: <>
> >Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Holy Grail & spring reverb
> >Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 09:51:13 -0400
> >
> >Hiya, dude. I don't think there's a digital reverb unit made that
can
> >give you what you want. That splash sound was created by the
agitated
> >springs inside the old spring reverb units. It's entirely a result
of
> >the analog nature of the spring reverb effect, and not something
that
> >can really be done digitally. At least not that I've seen, so far.
> >
> >===>Hello! Thanks for the reply. However, I don't know if there
> >AREN'T digital reverb pedals that can emulate the spring reverb.
The
> >manufactures of The Holy Grail reverb pedal (Electro-Harmonix)
claim
> >that Dick Dale himself couldn't tell the difference.
> >
> >Their website is: www.ehx.com
> >
> >Has anyone out there used this??? The demos they have don't really
> >show that "spring" sound that I'm assuming is that "wet" sound
that I
> >associate with the Fender amps. . . . Can anyone verify that it
DOES
> >emulate that sound? I don't wanna shell out the bucks without
knowing
> >up front. Thanks!
> >
> >Vincent
> >
> >
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Escobar
>
> The spring reverb modeling in my Cyber Twin Surfs for sure, it's what
> I use for spring reverb tones these days.
>
> Rick
I never would have believed that if I hadn't heard you say that Rick. I
listened to the Woodies CD last night and you guys are definitely in the
realm of The Astronauts and The Fathoms when it comes to the wet stuff.
Although I assume you guys had Fender outboard units for that recording.
What other gear did you guys employ?
Spanish Word, Agent Woodrow, The Swami, Zorba's Last Wave...wow!!!
Thanks,
BN
Rock Verb,All,
That is funny as hell man,about the lower interest rates, and etc.
But seriously, I understand what your saying about loud clubs,lousy
P.A.'s. But most of the places I see Surf bands here in O.C. and
L.A. calif. are without P.A. So that doesn't really come into play
too often here.
As for the The Holy Grail Pedal. I had heard about it, when it was
going to be coming out.And was like here we go with another horrible
tin can sounding reverb simulation. But Steve Soest, from the Torquays
(Local Trad. Band by which alot of bands use to meause up to) had
been sent one to try out,and give his thoughts. So they were playing
a car show, doin 3 or 4 sets, and he brought his tank in case there
was any problems with the pedal. So he tells me he's using the pedal
and to listen to him, and give him my thoughts. I thought it was
a little on the metallic sounding side, with a bit of a dryness to the
sound. Then he switched it from sping to hall, and Crnaked it up to
10 for Baja, and I moved form about 50 feet back to about 10 feet
away. I would have to say,If I didn't know he had it. I be hard
pressed to tell the difference if I couldn't see what was being used.
For my 2 cents worth, I'd say it's damn close about 90 95% of a tank
sound. And really good for portability,and not having to take your
tank out to dangerous situations. But like you siad nothing beats a
tank, and you can't kick a pedal to make it crash. Well you can,but
it might fall apart. I've heard that the Holy Grail is a bit on the
shoddy side in manufacturing.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
Bass player-but lover of Reverb
--- In , "rock verb" <rockverb@h...>
wrote:
> If Dick Dale himself can't tell he difference, it has to be due to
the fact
> that he's been overloading showmans for the better part of his life
and
> subsequently suffered hearing loss. of course EHX would claim such
a thing,
> what are they gonna say? 'our pedal is fun, but Dick Dale wouldn't
be caught
> dead with it'? Just this last week, I've been offered lower
interest rates,
> a bigger penis, and convincing digital reverb. thank you, I'll
stick with
> what I've got for the moment.
>
> EHX builds great pedals, well worth the money, to be sure. And
true, if the
> PA system is bad enough, no one will hear the difference between a
tank and
> a holy grail... or between MIA jazzmaster and plywood stratcopy,
for that
> matter..... but as has been said, at this point there is no
convincing
> digital reverb available that can compete with tank, period. (and
if there
> were, I'm sure it would be a hell of lot more expensive than a
tank, btw)
>
> still, check that pedal out in a music store somewhere; if you like
it then,
> and it does what you want it to do, buy it, and don't care for
anyone's
> opinion but you're own.
>
> good luck
>
>
>
> >From: "Vince Frank" <vfrank@f...>
> >Reply-To:
> >To: <>
> >Subject: [SurfGuitar101] Holy Grail & spring reverb
> >Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 09:51:13 -0400
> >
> >Hiya, dude. I don't think there's a digital reverb unit made that
can
> >give you what you want. That splash sound was created by the
agitated
> >springs inside the old spring reverb units. It's entirely a result
of
> >the analog nature of the spring reverb effect, and not something
that
> >can really be done digitally. At least not that I've seen, so far.
> >
> >===>Hello! Thanks for the reply. However, I don't know if there
> >AREN'T digital reverb pedals that can emulate the spring reverb.
The
> >manufactures of The Holy Grail reverb pedal (Electro-Harmonix)
claim
> >that Dick Dale himself couldn't tell the difference.
> >
> >Their website is: www.ehx.com
> >
> >Has anyone out there used this??? The demos they have don't really
> >show that "spring" sound that I'm assuming is that "wet" sound
that I
> >associate with the Fender amps. . . . Can anyone verify that it
DOES
> >emulate that sound? I don't wanna shell out the bucks without
knowing
> >up front. Thanks!
> >
> >Vincent
> >
> >
>
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I think for a trad surf thang a Reverb tank a must have. With The
Woodies a Reverb tank was the only effect used live. For alot music I
do there is a ton of effects including digital reverb, in that case I
lose the pure tone of a tank. The CyberTwin Reverb in those cases
works great.
On the CD we used an old 60's plate reverb for mastering.
Rick
--- In , "Brian Neal" <bneal@i...> wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rick Escobar
> >
> > The spring reverb modeling in my Cyber Twin Surfs for sure, it's
what
> > I use for spring reverb tones these days.
> >
> > Rick
>
> I never would have believed that if I hadn't heard you say that
Rick. I
> listened to the Woodies CD last night and you guys are definitely
in the
> realm of The Astronauts and The Fathoms when it comes to the wet
stuff.
> Although I assume you guys had Fender outboard units for that
recording.
> What other gear did you guys employ?
>
> Spanish Word, Agent Woodrow, The Swami, Zorba's Last Wave...wow!!!
>
> Thanks,
> BN
